EPTOn May 13 2010 15:15 endaskus wrote:
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I've been wondering... didn't TLO dc during the 2nd map? What race was it again that he spawned as the first time O.o
protoss! :p
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Gescom
Canada3508 Posts
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betaV1.25
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selboN
United States2523 Posts
On May 13 2010 15:23 Demonshade wrote: So many fail people here. There are some people who got the numbers correct but did it a different way. A simple way of looking at it is this way. There are 5 matches, for each match we will assign a box. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=2 | 1 | | 2 | | 3 | | 4 | | 5 | In each box there is a potential of 3 races, Z P T. Therefore there is a total of | 3 | | 3 | | 3 | | 3 | | 3 | or 3^5 combinations. Which is a total of 243. Within these combinations there are 9 in which a race ends up 3 times in a row at the end of the 5 matchups!!! If its 3 in a row throughout 5 matchups there will be 9*2 more odds as the 3 in a row can be in the middle of the two other races or at the beginning! | Z | | Z | | T | | T | | T | | Z | | P | | T | | T | | T | | P | | P | | T | | T | | T | | Z | | Z | | P | | P | | P | | Z | | T | | P | | P | | P | | T | | T | | P | | P | | P | | P | | P | | Z | | Z | | Z | | P | | T | | Z | | Z | | Z | | T | | T | | Z | | Z | | Z | therefor there are 9/243 possibilities of running into 3 of the same race in a row at the end of the match or 1/27 or 1/3 * 1/3 * 1/3 Or if you only want to look at the chances of 3 protoss in a row at the end of the match 3/243 or 1/81 or 1/3 * 1/3 * 1/3 * 1/3 Of course there are more situations at hand such as 3 protoss in 5 matchups but not in a row, and 3 in a row in different locations. But the statistics of getting 2 races and then 3 protoss in a row at the end of the 5 matchups yields a funny number. 1.234567890repeating % Indeed many people failing here, namely the 10 people who have adequately explained this to the ONE person who is atrocious with numbers. It is nice to see you can do 7th grade math, but I don't know if it was worth a wall of text for. | ||
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Demonshade
Canada4 Posts
On May 13 2010 15:23 Demonshade wrote: + Show Spoiler + So many fail people here. There are some people who got the numbers correct but did it a different way. A simple way of looking at it is this way. There are 5 matches, for each match we will assign a box. | 1 | | 2 | | 3 | | 4 | | 5 | In each box there is a potential of 3 races, Z P T. Therefore there is a total of | 3 | | 3 | | 3 | | 3 | | 3 | or 3^5 combinations. Which is a total of 243. Within these combinations there are 9 in which a race ends up 3 times in a row at the end of the 5 matchups!!! If its 3 in a row throughout 5 matchups there will be 9*2 more odds as the 3 in a row can be in the middle of the two other races or at the beginning! | Z | | Z | | T | | T | | T | | Z | | P | | T | | T | | T | | P | | P | | T | | T | | T | | Z | | Z | | P | | P | | P | | Z | | T | | P | | P | | P | | T | | T | | P | | P | | P | | P | | P | | Z | | Z | | Z | | P | | T | | Z | | Z | | Z | | T | | T | | Z | | Z | | Z | therefor there are 9/243 possibilities of running into 3 of the same race in a row at the end of the match or 1/27 or 1/3 * 1/3 * 1/3 Or if you only want to look at the chances of 3 protoss in a row at the end of the match 3/243 or 1/81 or 1/3 * 1/3 * 1/3 * 1/3 Of course there are more situations at hand such as 3 protoss in 5 matchups but not in a row, and 3 in a row in different locations. But the statistics of getting 2 races and then 3 protoss in a row at the end of the 5 matchups yields a funny number. 1.234567890repeating % Oh yea and also situations where 5 or 4 in a row occur which include 3 in a row. | ||
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Demonshade
Canada4 Posts
On May 13 2010 15:47 selboN wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 13 2010 15:23 Demonshade wrote: So many fail people here. There are some people who got the numbers correct but did it a different way. A simple way of looking at it is this way. There are 5 matches, for each match we will assign a box. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=2 | 1 | | 2 | | 3 | | 4 | | 5 | In each box there is a potential of 3 races, Z P T. Therefore there is a total of | 3 | | 3 | | 3 | | 3 | | 3 | or 3^5 combinations. Which is a total of 243. Within these combinations there are 9 in which a race ends up 3 times in a row at the end of the 5 matchups!!! If its 3 in a row throughout 5 matchups there will be 9*2 more odds as the 3 in a row can be in the middle of the two other races or at the beginning! | Z | | Z | | T | | T | | T | | Z | | P | | T | | T | | T | | P | | P | | T | | T | | T | | Z | | Z | | P | | P | | P | | Z | | T | | P | | P | | P | | T | | T | | P | | P | | P | | P | | P | | Z | | Z | | Z | | P | | T | | Z | | Z | | Z | | T | | T | | Z | | Z | | Z | therefor there are 9/243 possibilities of running into 3 of the same race in a row at the end of the match or 1/27 or 1/3 * 1/3 * 1/3 Or if you only want to look at the chances of 3 protoss in a row at the end of the match 3/243 or 1/81 or 1/3 * 1/3 * 1/3 * 1/3 Of course there are more situations at hand such as 3 protoss in 5 matchups but not in a row, and 3 in a row in different locations. But the statistics of getting 2 races and then 3 protoss in a row at the end of the 5 matchups yields a funny number. 1.234567890repeating % Indeed many people failing here, namely the 10 people who have adequately explained this to the ONE person who is atrocious with numbers. It is nice to see you can do 7th grade math, but I don't know if it was worth a wall of text for. Statistics and probability isnt grade 7 math. The math that takes place in it is simple but the concept is a little harder  . | ||
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
On May 13 2010 15:51 Demonshade wrote: Statistics and probability isnt grade 7 math. The math that takes place in it is simple but the concept is a little harder . Yep, the basics is a high school level class and there are several advanced courses in most colleges that are often required for many majors. Someone just wanted to feel like a big boy belittling those around him without doing anything, which isn't called for. | ||
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Wargizmo
Australia1237 Posts
Meh I cut out my math rant, as someone below said it's just one guy who can't do it and he already corrected himself. Back on topic, looking forward to Idra/Nony - I hope Nony wins but either way the 3rd place matchup is going to be epic. | ||
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selboN
United States2523 Posts
On May 13 2010 16:03 urashimakt wrote: Yep, the basics is a high school level class and there are several advanced courses in most colleges that are often required for many majors. Someone just wanted to feel like a big boy belittling those around him without doing anything, which isn't called for. Trying to not get sucked into the troll, but I failed. 7th grade math -> Algebra, if you didn't go over simple probability there, I don't know what to tell you. Also, a page full of mindless drone about the said simple math is also not needed. Hoped my 2 liner would stuff it, but apparently I provoked more. | ||
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SwiftSpear
Canada355 Posts
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Spidinko
Slovakia1174 Posts
Let's get this thread back on topic. Nice mirror by WhiteRa, imo he gave up so soon in game 2. Game 1 was one of the best I've seen recently. So crazy.. | ||
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Gescom
Canada3508 Posts
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
On May 13 2010 16:33 selboN wrote: Trying to not get sucked into the troll, but I failed. 7th grade math -> Algebra, if you didn't go over simple probability there, I don't know what to tell you. Also, a page full of mindless drone about the said simple math is also not needed. Hoped my 2 liner would stuff it, but apparently I provoked more. I deny you, Mr. Troll. | ||
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RAUS
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On May 13 2010 15:51 Demonshade wrote: Statistics and probability isnt grade 7 math. The math that takes place in it is simple but the concept is a little harder . but all of you fail, because you all fail to hindsight bias. the chance of ZZPPP is exactly equal to the chance of TPZPP. the fact that it looks pretty doesnt make it "improbable" | ||
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Aether
Canada123 Posts
On May 13 2010 15:23 Demonshade wrote: So many fail people here. There are some people who got the numbers correct but did it a different way. A simple way of looking at it is this way. There are 5 matches, for each match we will assign a box. | 1 | | 2 | | 3 | | 4 | | 5 | In each box there is a potential of 3 races, Z P T. Therefore there is a total of | 3 | | 3 | | 3 | | 3 | | 3 | or 3^5 combinations. Which is a total of 243. Within these combinations there are 9 in which a race ends up 3 times in a row at the end of the 5 matchups!!! If its 3 in a row throughout 5 matchups there will be 9*2 more odds as the 3 in a row can be in the middle of the two other races or at the beginning! | Z | | Z | | T | | T | | T | | Z | | P | | T | | T | | T | | P | | P | | T | | T | | T | | Z | | Z | | P | | P | | P | | Z | | T | | P | | P | | P | | T | | T | | P | | P | | P | | P | | P | | Z | | Z | | Z | | P | | T | | Z | | Z | | Z | | T | | T | | Z | | Z | | Z | therefor there are 9/243 possibilities of running into 3 of the same race in a row at the end of the match or 1/27 or 1/3 * 1/3 * 1/3 Or if you only want to look at the chances of 3 protoss in a row at the end of the match 3/243 or 1/81 or 1/3 * 1/3 * 1/3 * 1/3 Of course there are more situations at hand such as 3 protoss in 5 matchups but not in a row, and 3 in a row in different locations. But the statistics of getting 2 races and then 3 protoss in a row at the end of the 5 matchups yields a funny number. 1.234567890repeating % uhhh.... if you're going to correct people you should make sure what you're saying is correct. The chances of 3 protoss in a row is 1/3^3 = 1/27, not 1/81. The chances of getting any race 3 times is 1/9. You're adding in an extra multiplication in both calculations that shouldn't be there. Let's all not worry about the chances of him getting any give race. A lot of people are pretty confused here lol... Also, basic permutations and combinations are usually learned around grade 10 or so, this isn't university level math at all. | ||
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Odoakar
Croatia1837 Posts
Anyways, nice job on quickly putting those VODs up, just watched the first two games again, really fun to watch. | ||
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Czech Republic14 Posts
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
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zerotol
Belgium508 Posts
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betaV1.25
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Amestir
Netherlands2126 Posts
Really liked the TLO vs WhiteRa games, shame TLO lost. Really think he should stick with a race. | ||
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