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Sandrosuperstar
Profile Joined November 2009
Sweden525 Posts
May 13 2010 10:48 GMT
#4361
Is tlo allowed to choose any race he wants or is he only allowed to choose random? Also, great games and white-ra's PvP was awesome, arcons was so cool
I'm homo for Lomo, gay for GGplay, but at the end of the day I put my dong in Lee Jaedong
gogogadgetflow
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2583 Posts
May 13 2010 10:57 GMT
#4362
Anyone else sad + Show Spoiler +
that white-ra won, because as solid as he is he definitely can't take a series off idra.


Praying for Nony
Paz
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia147 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-13 11:14:16
May 13 2010 11:13 GMT
#4363
On May 13 2010 19:57 gogogadgetflow wrote:
Anyone else sad + Show Spoiler +
that white-ra won, because as solid as he is he definitely can't take a series off idra.


Praying for Nony


You surely cannot be in the same reality that I am.

Guy is solid as a rock.
T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
May 13 2010 11:31 GMT
#4364
+ Show Spoiler +
white ra's pvp continues to haunt tlo rofl! ! nightmares of DT becomes nightmares of archons and dts light/dark combo! could call it the yinyang build XP

whitera is so strong and creative too! i hope he wins the tourney !
Vav
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada15 Posts
May 13 2010 12:44 GMT
#4365
I think TLO picking random gives him the upper hand at the beginning since White-Ra is in the dark for the first couple of minutes so that works in his favor. Having said this, TLO playing random for such a long time is well aware that he could end up with 5 PVP's vs White-Ra, so I'm sure he wasn't surprised.

Personally I don't think TLO would play random if he was at a point were he was praying that he wouldn't get a certain race.

Also I'm pretty sure TLO said that zerg is his weakest race, and that's the race he beat White-Ra with twice so anything can happen.
Matoo-
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Canada1397 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-13 14:00:40
May 13 2010 13:26 GMT
#4366
I don't really understand why all the people doing math here are so obsessed with the "in-a-row" stuff. Sure it's flashy but as far as I know TLO would've got raped all the same with PZPZP or just about any variation with 3 P in it. If anything he got lucky to roll ZZPPP rather than PPXXP, leading 2-0 in a series is arguably better for your mental shape than being on a deficit unless you're some kind of Jaedong-like freak.

My point is that random is deeply unbalanced in bo3s/bo5s.

Something nice and balanced like PTZPZ is much less prone to happen than stupid stuff like the triple P that happened here. If you play random 5 games, more than 60% of the time you will get at least 3 times the same race (not necessarily in a row). So basically one matchup is going to be key to the entire series. If you're unbeatable with it, it will carry you to the victory. If you're terrible at it, it will be your doom.

For random to be balanced, both players, even the one not playing random, have to be of about equal strength at all three matchups. That was clearly the entire opposite here, with TLO raping White-Ra ZvP but getting raped PvP.

Or you have to go for epic bo7s or bo11s or stuff like that and then it must even out I guess. Bo3s are actually the worst since out of 3 games you've got nearly 80% odds to get at least 2 times the same race, which is just what you need to have the entire series won or lost.
veganwa
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway116 Posts
May 13 2010 14:30 GMT
#4367
I just noticed that under the livestream banner in the first post it says "FINALS - Round of 7". Hey, you math geniuses you, how about you figure out how that works?
A problem solved is a problem...caused! ~ Karl Pilkington
Neoshan
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany49 Posts
May 13 2010 14:36 GMT
#4368
holy mother that series was epic

+ Show Spoiler +
too bad TLO got 3 times Protoss in an row. Otherwise he would have got this... KEEP IT UP !!
If you want to wander around aimlessly, follow the mass
aznagent
Profile Joined May 2010
Hong Kong166 Posts
May 13 2010 14:39 GMT
#4369
On May 13 2010 19:57 gogogadgetflow wrote:
Anyone else sad + Show Spoiler +
that white-ra won, because as solid as he is he definitely can't take a series off idra.


Praying for Nony


+ Show Spoiler +
Well, if IdrA decides to FE and macro, Whitera could easily 4 gate rush him X_X that could easily take a series, w/o GG too


My moneys on IdrA!
Quote:
finalboss
Profile Joined May 2010
United States39 Posts
May 13 2010 14:53 GMT
#4370
guys its starcraft 2 random. there's like a 80% chance you're going to draw toss.
HeyheyLBJ
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden160 Posts
May 13 2010 15:01 GMT
#4371
On May 13 2010 23:53 finalboss wrote:
guys its starcraft 2 random. there's like a 80% chance you're going to draw toss.


This is true.

I have a huge pool of anecdotal evidence proving it.
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
May 13 2010 15:53 GMT
#4372
+ Show Spoiler +
Really unfortunate that after going 2-0, TLO randoms toss three times in a row. Would've liked to see him take that series after that amazing lead, but fate had other plans. Oh well.
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
May 13 2010 15:54 GMT
#4373
On May 13 2010 20:13 Paz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2010 19:57 gogogadgetflow wrote:
Anyone else sad + Show Spoiler +
that white-ra won, because as solid as he is he definitely can't take a series off idra.


Praying for Nony


You surely cannot be in the same reality that I am.

Guy is solid as a rock.


+ Show Spoiler +
Don't really want to see a PvP finals, to be honest.
LonGSworD
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada174 Posts
May 13 2010 16:52 GMT
#4374
I would love to see nony take out idra but a PvP finals would kinda suck...

but making idra possibly finish out of the money would be even better
Le BucheRON
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada619 Posts
May 13 2010 17:01 GMT
#4375
^^ Yeah, it is sort of fun to hate Idra eh? I think that's why I love his games so much. The perfect anti-hero.
Guess who`s special?!
starcraft911
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Korea (South)1263 Posts
May 13 2010 17:19 GMT
#4376
that white-ra won, because as solid as he is he definitely can't take a series off idra.


This some kind of joke? White-ra is deffinately able to take the series. If HuK can take 2 games off IdrA, whitera can 3-0 him. I'm just some T noob, but i'm up 3-0 vs idra on ladder and white-ra is deffinately a solid player.

leading 2-0 in a series is arguably better for your mental shape than being on a deficit


I think that depends a lot on the person. Whenever I've been down at an event I always get very motivated to smash someone. I don't always come back to 'win', but I deffinatley have a heightened senses that I didn't have in the initial game. I come into a series pretty cold and complacent usually.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
May 13 2010 18:31 GMT
#4377
On May 14 2010 02:19 starcraft911 wrote:
Show nested quote +
that white-ra won, because as solid as he is he definitely can't take a series off idra.


This some kind of joke? White-ra is deffinately able to take the series. If HuK can take 2 games off IdrA, whitera can 3-0 him. I'm just some T noob, but i'm up 3-0 vs idra on ladder and white-ra is deffinately a solid player.

Show nested quote +
leading 2-0 in a series is arguably better for your mental shape than being on a deficit


I think that depends a lot on the person. Whenever I've been down at an event I always get very motivated to smash someone. I don't always come back to 'win', but I deffinatley have a heightened senses that I didn't have in the initial game. I come into a series pretty cold and complacent usually.


Moo?
Rokrdude
Profile Joined April 2010
India42 Posts
May 13 2010 18:34 GMT
#4378
On May 14 2010 00:53 RogerChillingworth wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Really unfortunate that after going 2-0, TLO randoms toss three times in a row. Would've liked to see him take that series after that amazing lead, but fate had other plans. Oh well.


ya it would have been nice to see whitera vs tlo as terrain.
White-ra totally rules in pvp
Matoo-
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Canada1397 Posts
May 13 2010 18:35 GMT
#4379
On May 14 2010 00:01 HeyheyLBJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2010 23:53 finalboss wrote:
guys its starcraft 2 random. there's like a 80% chance you're going to draw toss.


This is true.

I have a huge pool of anecdotal evidence proving it.

Ten million WoW players have anecdotal evidence proving that Blizzard does not know how to generate random numbers properly. It must be true.
Nihilnovi
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden696 Posts
May 13 2010 18:41 GMT
#4380
The time of ida vs nony stream is nowhere to be found or am i blind? o.o
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