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Neelia
Germany599 Posts
On June 11 2012 17:37 Mahtasooma wrote: Medivacs are the counter to infestors if you can avoid them getting fungaled (which is pretty hard, agreed). I think one of the important parts of MKP's Bio TvZ is that he often brings some SCVs to repair the Medivacs. Something that I rarely see from other people. As I think Medivac retention is key to playing Bio against ling/Infestor. | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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eusoc
Italy82 Posts
On June 11 2012 18:38 IshinShishi wrote: It becomes extremely hard to win once ultras are out if you don't have superb micro, anything else and you are good to go, it has been my go to composition(with variable builds) for a long time, very versatile and can be very useful for swift counter attacks such as doom drops, still, lost some games with this compo after being very far ahead because mass medivacs and very few units dont work vs ultras, they simply dont die. I don't think so, as bio is much better than marine/tank vs ultras... u already have marauders, while tanks just do very little dps to ultras... so the best choice for your opponent should be infestor-BL, as u are able to get fungal on the marines and corruptor will help keeping medivac count low. Going for ultras while terran has already marauders is just bad decision making(see stephano-MKP on daybreak, IPL4) | ||
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forsakeNXE
Germany539 Posts
You have to realise that one fungal can and will end the game if you clump up. You have to have really good macro as you cannot afford to let your barracks production slip alot. You have to have good micro and splitting and multitasking to add more barracks and expand and produce behind all your pressure going on. The key is to be in zergs face as mutch as possible but also to be able to judge when you can sit back for a minute to gather more army. I personally ( and i know there are many ppl how think otherwise) think that dropplay is not really good with that pure bio in TvZ in early to midgame. I found it more difficult for Zerg if you trade huge armys all the time and the 8 marines that you drop somewhere else with a medivacs are often times my saviors in a big battle. Some tips: - Pre splitt ALL the TIME, EVERYTIME if you lose one army really bad against fungal + baneling hits you have most likely lost the game if Z is decent, if you do this massive droppplay can bring you back in the game - you'r goal is to get around 16-22 medivacs so be careful using them (that's also why i think dropplay is more damaging to you than it helps you cause the chance of losing a medivac is always there - I have played around with marauder : marine ratio and finally got to a point where i can say: it depends on what Z is doing: # if Z goes for roaches go 4 rax techlab # if Z goes for anything else go 1rax tl # as infestors are out go up to 3-4 rax tl from your 1 rax with tl # as ultras hit the field do not be afraid to get up to 6-7 techlabs just for the extra marauders you can make marines after all anyway Also i find it better to build more rax instead of building reactors to continue production in the meantime. You'r main goal is to deny his expansions and to expand yourself. As you are in his face all the time you should try to expand frequently. I do this kinda every 5 Minutes starting at the 11 Minute mark, sometimes i even build 2 cc's right after one another. If you are pushed back defensive Planetary like in tvp helps alot cause he will be on alot of lings most likely. I now use the opening in the 3rd game between mkp and stephano and it works well, also i used 4rax or cc first into 6 rax alot. I find this a very fun way to play as i often times got cornered in my 2 or 3 bases and as sieging though the middle is very difficult i really like the mobility and beeing in the zergs face at all time alot. It's sometimes frustrating to get fungaled and instant lose but well that's your own fault  gl with that! Really like it and definitly recommend using it! With a bit practice it's definitly effective. Btw: Mutas are petty bad against pure bio as you have tons of marines producing, early ebay and ~5 turrets are protecting everything really well. Also it delays infestortech alot, if you see a muta player just attack with a huge army and alot of medivacs and win. :D I think staying on pure ling / bling / infestor for the whole game is best on zergs site of things. Also Bloords are a joke, just drop marauders at every expo and kill every hatchery build 2-3 more starports meanwhile and just roll the few bloords or go pure marines and kill them while Z try to take out the marauders sniping the hatches. | ||
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Daniel C
Hong Kong1606 Posts
On June 11 2012 17:26 ysnake wrote: It really comes down to your micro. For example, MKP lost a game in which Stephano caught him off guard (he was on the creep, way inside Zerg territory), Fungal on his entire army and Banelings ate Marines. That was the only time I saw his entire army melt away like that. Still ended up winning 2-1 though. If you're talking about game 2 in the last MLG...it wasn't MMM. But what you say still holds true in general, though. | ||
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Sircoolguy
United States81 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=343345 | ||
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FinalForm
United States450 Posts
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Roarer
Hong Kong124 Posts
On June 11 2012 20:47 Daniel C wrote: If you're talking about game 2 in the last MLG...it wasn't MMM. But what you say still holds true in general, though. Agree ... the Entomb Valley game is way different from MMM ..it is a marine + Mech play. On June 11 2012 16:43 T.O.P. wrote: Think he's talking about mid game mass bane busts. Either way, 3 rax wall is not the way to go when doing this build imo. You should open 1 rax cc reactor hellion into this build. Puts much more pressure vs zerg early on and it makes you safe vs early ling bane busts. what are your goals for the reactor hellions? Do oyu mean the hellions can deny the bust ? | ||
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Neurosis
United States893 Posts
Anyways, if you want to pull something away from his bio play vs Stephano, check what and WHEN he does stuff with his units. | ||
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Neurosis
United States893 Posts
On June 11 2012 21:57 FinalForm wrote: Only MarineKing can do this, sorry guys And you :D | ||
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Citherna
United States33 Posts
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DawN883
Sweden558 Posts
On June 11 2012 15:58 dynwar7 wrote: So basically, as a Terran I hate seeing blings splash damage melting my marines, in MKP's case he used Marauders to tank the bling splash damage too. If you hate seeing your units die to banelings in TvZ. Do not play MMM | ||
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Darrkhan
Finland1236 Posts
Also his TvP is different from others. He rarely uses ghosts and starts vikings late. It can pay off (he is not for no reason being one of the best tvp players) But it can also hurt you really much. | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
But this style would straight up lose to muta/bane/lings. Because they would get crazy amount of lings/banelings and around 10 mutas(not massing them) and straight up crushed that force and destroy your medivac. Watch DRG vs MKP in Game 1 and Game 2 in MLG Spring Championship. | ||
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Wrathsc2
United States2025 Posts
Against muta play not so much. Mauraders are useles against Mutas and medivacs can never live f you lose your army. And you will lose your army. I've actually stopped producing tanks once I see ling infester. They are amazing at sniping infenstors, but once ultras pop out unless you have +3 vehicle weapons the tanks do more harm then good. | ||
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peidongyang
Canada2084 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On June 11 2012 19:09 eusoc wrote: I don't think so, as bio is much better than marine/tank vs ultras... u already have marauders, while tanks just do very little dps to ultras... so the best choice for your opponent should be infestor-BL, as u are able to get fungal on the marines and corruptor will help keeping medivac count low. Going for ultras while terran has already marauders is just bad decision making(see stephano-MKP on daybreak, IPL4) No not really. Reason being that with marine tank, when you pull your marines back, the ultras start attacking singular units like Tanks. It's much harder when ultras are coming towards you to make it so the ultras aren't hitting the majority of your bio units if there are no tanks. At the same time, infestors while being less useful due to medivacs for the damage for fungal make the army composition significantly better with ultras - as the fungal is no longer to deal splash dmg (which helps) but to pin you vs the ultras, where ultras slaughter marauders (only when nonkited). | ||
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DeKGenetiX
United States17 Posts
On June 11 2012 16:31 derpinator wrote: Im still amazed why most terrans havent figured out yet that MMM is THE way to play TvZ. except vs muta/sling/bling | ||
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WarBobz
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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