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DarkerThanKuro
United States61 Posts
On June 12 2012 08:42 lorestarcraft wrote: Mass medivac is so good vs. infestor play due to the fact the Zerg really can never kill the medivacs. THIS THIS THIS THIS That and with all of my bio builds for TvZ, I go for double ebay play to make sure my upgrades are ahead. It helps you trade so much better. | ||
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fobtasticfury
United States17 Posts
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crocodile
United States615 Posts
On June 12 2012 08:42 lorestarcraft wrote: Mass medivac is so good vs. infestor play due to the fact the Zerg really can never kill the medivacs. Unless the Zerg uses 2 fungals and 3 infested terrans | ||
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forsakeNXE
Germany539 Posts
On June 12 2012 08:49 DarkerThanKuro wrote: THIS THIS THIS THIS That and with all of my bio builds for TvZ, I go for double ebay play to make sure my upgrades are ahead. It helps you trade so much better. Can you pm/link me some and esp. the upgrade build u use? I would like to give it a try  Also some reps would be nice! thx! | ||
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Ace1123
Philippines1187 Posts
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trias_e
United States520 Posts
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BluMac
Canada1 Post
Not to mention the fact that if you are caught unaware for even a second the zerg could potentially fungal your entire army and roll banelings through you only chance at victory. | ||
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Jaegeru
United Kingdom676 Posts
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Iron_
United States389 Posts
Basically, it is gas with the 2nd to last worker built (go all the way to 17 pop before OC), CC, factory, reactor on first rax, 2 more rax, 2 tech labs on raxes, early ebay with +1, stim as soon as tech lab finishes, combat shield around 30% stim done, make army of hellion/marine/marader, then go attack the third around 9:30 when stim hits. In that game, Illusion defended the infamous (to me anyway) 8:30 attack and held his own. He lost, but overall it looked pretty good. | ||
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WaKai
Canada88 Posts
http://drop.sc/players/US/1222927/vVvWaKai Also, i've released a series of blogs on getting better... will answer some of your questions and i have one entry specifically for splitting. http://www.vvv-gaming.com/forum/user/17406-vvv-wakai/ the one at the complete bottom is the microing one. | ||
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gengka
Malaysia461 Posts
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storkman
United States157 Posts
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VanGarde
Sweden755 Posts
I like to think of a scale with micro on one side and positioning on the other, this scale identifies where a unit composition gets its functionality from. Pure mech is furthest out on the positioning side of the scale meaning that it is 100% reliant on the positioning of your own units, and your ability to read and restrict the army movement of your opponent. It requires almost no micro, being on the positioning side of the scale subsequently means that if you make a mistake in positioning, move too far with everything unsieged without knowing where the enemy army is, you will probably lose your army and that is game. Bio is on the opposite side of the scale and relies as much on micro as mech does on positioning. Bio on the other hand is almost completely ignorant of positioning, same thing here, if you fail to control your army correctly you will lose. Biomech, or to an extension various compositions of skymech falls a bit more towards the center of the scale requiring both positioning and micro to function but at the same time do not get punished to the same extent by a mistake on one. I reckon this is why biomech is more standard and because it is in the middle of the scale it also allows it to utilize both positioning and micro in engagements. That explains I think why biomech is more common, but it does not mean that it is in any way "better". As long as you understand how the different styles work, that is when you can start to go with the one that suits your style the most. | ||
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
On June 12 2012 09:35 Enemyy wrote: Can you pm/link me some and esp. the upgrade build u use? I would like to give it a try Also some reps would be nice! thx!LOL almost every TvZ build now uses fast double ups since fast upgraded lings into infestors is what 99% of zergs are doing right now, it's not very hard to plop down two ebays and get a faster 3rd gas | ||
The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On June 11 2012 16:31 derpinator wrote: Im still amazed why most terrans havent figured out yet that MMM is THE way to play TvZ. It was a long time ago, back in the days of old. Then people discovered that infestors were good, and included them in most army compositions. MMM sort of faded away when zergs included a bunch of AOE units in their army. | ||
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rQdjay
United States22 Posts
Edit: now with 4 queen opener the 1-1 combat shield push outright kills zergs that are greedy and skip baneling nest or at least their 3rd is 99% guaranteed dead | ||
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MetalGear
Australia47 Posts
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Marooned
Norway161 Posts
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VanGarde
Sweden755 Posts
On June 12 2012 13:20 djdanny wrote: I am a mid masters zerg and was running into this strategy more and more on ladder (this was probably 3-4 months ago). I have a smurf for every race and I decided to use an MKP build where u go 1 rax expo into a 1-1 combat shield 9 min timing attack while getting a 3rd behind it. This I believe was MLG Columbus but could be wrong. During I believe MLG Winter Arena finals it was quite simple, I only counted 4 siege tank volleys going off in the series vs drg. The tanks were worthless. This blew my mind and I decided to use MKP's 1 rax expo w/ timing push on ladder, but instead of getting tanks when I establish my third I just make moar marines. Your 3-3 finishes stupidly fast at around 14 mins I believe and the zerg cannot keep up. On my terran smurf I left every tvt and tvp and only played tvz. It is still high diamond and would definitely be masters if I did not leave all those but I would rather cut my hands off than play tvt, that is a different story. Anyways my win rate is 85-1 going marine medivac (no marauders). I never made 1 tank and on several maps made my 3rd a planetary but there is a point where u can keep making OC so you can nonstop mule. The goal with this style is to literally drop EVERYWHERE while also pushing with some army. What will happen is that your army will get crushed, get crushed, get crushed, get crushed, get crushed, get crushed, get destroyed, and then all of a sudden you have this one engagement where the zerg has spent so much on blings/infestors and runs out of them and all of a sudden you are left with basically a medivac per marine and then you have an unstoppable push where the zerg gets to a point where he is only rallying lings and 3-3 marines w/ medivacs can nom-nom on lings as long as he doesnt have a lot of surface area. The strategy is to never give up never surrender because you will have one push that dominates the zerg. A lot of people say "once the zerg has infestors and ultras out the bio gets destroyed" If you let the zerg get to that point then you arent dropping enough. If he does get to that point you have to pray that you can get good surface area and are quick on repairing your planetaries. Also, once ultras come out, they cannot deal with drop harass at all, ultras are only good in straight up fights. With this style my food count never goes up over 140-150 and that might sound terrible, but the moment you get that push that dominates the zerg you skyrocket to 200/200. Off of 3 bases you can make around 25 marines at a time w/ medivacs and if you are able to build up enough oribitals you are able to get insane production. I have not played around with marauders but unless ultras are out, you have to use them to tank bling hits and snipe infestors and being able to do that is a million times harder than it sounds, but Polt is a freaking boss at it. Just keep building medivacs, obviously the joke within the community is that marines are imba, but the reality is that medivacs are :D Edit: now with 4 queen opener the 1-1 combat shield push outright kills zergs that are greedy and skip baneling nest or at least their 3rd is 99% guaranteed dead I don't even agree when people say that it is over against ultra/infestor. Ultralisk is the one tier 3 option that bio is amazingly good against and as for infestors I actually find them to be a huge liability against bio. Infestors might be really good against tank/marine that needs to push in leaps or against pure marine where you just die really fast but if you have a good marauder ratio and a lot of medivacs, and you split well, infestors are actually going to get zerg killed because they take up too much gas without doing nearly enough damage. The only thing I do fear with bio is infestor / broodlord, but it is almost impossible to get to that point for zerg without getting completely destroyed during the transition if you are maintaining constant aggression. | ||
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goFLiP
Argentina39 Posts
I still think TvZ is broken but bio can maybe bring some fresh air to T. | ||
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