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i agree with you both above
i ll try to get some replays with less instinctive style
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Wouldnt it be better to get nexus earlier than robo and add 2 gas a bit earlier thus?
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On June 18 2012 00:58 Alex-Berker wrote:
Wouldnt it be better to get nexus earlier than robo and add 2 gas a bit earlier thus?
that s just more greedy
and then it s not safe anymore
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The difference is only 20-25 seconds which means youll get your 2 extra gas 20-25 seconds earlier which means before your nexus you can afford the gas to get more sentries as youll have 100 gas anyways leftover after the nexus. İ prefer it this way. İm former gm now 600 point masters.
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On June 18 2012 01:18 Alex-Berker wrote:
The difference is only 20-25 seconds which means youll get your 2 extra gas 20-25 seconds earlier which means before your nexus you can afford the gas to get more sentries as youll have 100 gas anyways leftover after the nexus. İ prefer it this way. İm former gm now 600 point masters.
well i m higher than you
i don t like what you say, because you don t have the production for the gas
what i want to say is, when you re expanding your 4 gates are not up, so why should you invest into gas when you don t tech or build sentrys right away?
you also want more minerals to build a wall+x cannons
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On June 18 2012 01:31 Tassadarstarcraft2 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 01:18 Alex-Berker wrote:
The difference is only 20-25 seconds which means youll get your 2 extra gas 20-25 seconds earlier which means before your nexus you can afford the gas to get more sentries as youll have 100 gas anyways leftover after the nexus. İ prefer it this way. İm former gm now 600 point masters. well i m higher than you i don t like what you say, because you don t have the production for the gas what i want to say is, when you re expanding your 4 gates are not up, so why should you invest into gas when you don t tech or build sentrys right away? you also want more minerals to build a wall+x cannons
Well, I don't think it's that bad actually, but if you're going to go for the faster nexus route then you should just go and get your third right after your warp gate and stalker and added +5 gates at the nexus. Then you can get your next 2 gasses and tech of choice  . With this style though you won't have an observer to watch for where the roaches are. You'll have to rely on a halucination. You'll also have less immortals but more stalkers. I'm not really sure which ones better, there might be some good blink timeings with this one but the 4 gate immortal one is definitely safer.
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On June 18 2012 02:17 cvgHuShang wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 01:31 Tassadarstarcraft2 wrote:On June 18 2012 01:18 Alex-Berker wrote:
The difference is only 20-25 seconds which means youll get your 2 extra gas 20-25 seconds earlier which means before your nexus you can afford the gas to get more sentries as youll have 100 gas anyways leftover after the nexus. İ prefer it this way. İm former gm now 600 point masters. well i m higher than you i don t like what you say, because you don t have the production for the gas what i want to say is, when you re expanding your 4 gates are not up, so why should you invest into gas when you don t tech or build sentrys right away? you also want more minerals to build a wall+x cannons Well, I don't think it's that bad actually, but if you're going to go for the faster nexus route then you should just go and get your third right after your warp gate and stalker and added +5 gates at the nexus. Then you can get your next 2 gasses and tech of choice . With this style though you won't have an observer to watch for where the roaches are. You'll have to rely on a halucination. You'll also have less immortals but more stalkers. I'm not really sure which ones better, there might be some good blink timeings with this one but the 4 gate immortal one is definitely safer.
i already said in this thread, that you can go observer first in your robo and skip hallu
that s the choice of the player
but it would be nice if you could upload some replays of your version, just to compare and so on
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On June 18 2012 02:29 Tassadarstarcraft2 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 02:17 cvgHuShang wrote:On June 18 2012 01:31 Tassadarstarcraft2 wrote:On June 18 2012 01:18 Alex-Berker wrote:
The difference is only 20-25 seconds which means youll get your 2 extra gas 20-25 seconds earlier which means before your nexus you can afford the gas to get more sentries as youll have 100 gas anyways leftover after the nexus. İ prefer it this way. İm former gm now 600 point masters. well i m higher than you i don t like what you say, because you don t have the production for the gas what i want to say is, when you re expanding your 4 gates are not up, so why should you invest into gas when you don t tech or build sentrys right away? you also want more minerals to build a wall+x cannons Well, I don't think it's that bad actually, but if you're going to go for the faster nexus route then you should just go and get your third right after your warp gate and stalker and added +5 gates at the nexus. Then you can get your next 2 gasses and tech of choice . With this style though you won't have an observer to watch for where the roaches are. You'll have to rely on a halucination. You'll also have less immortals but more stalkers. I'm not really sure which ones better, there might be some good blink timeings with this one but the 4 gate immortal one is definitely safer. i already said in this thread, that you can go observer first in your robo and skip hallu that s the choice of the player
If he hides spire somewhere like corner of map I don't think it's possible to scout it in time and then the only reaction you can have is instinctual and i'm not sure that that's what any part of a guide should be based around. Halluc phoenix is fast and you can get 2-3 and scout everywhere, ensuring a tech choice or lack thereof.
Ah, replied before edit--after some DH matches are over and i log on, i'll upload some of my more recent games with robo + quick 3rd.
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İll try out your way. Btw by points i mean ladder points this season. İm rank 1 masters with a 450point lead so i dont know whats more impressive. İ would favor saving robo for after the expansion. Anyways though maybe we can play sometime too ill definately check it out. Check my blog if you want to know more about me and from that experience i can say that definatey get nexus up before robo tech 
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and i said i m a lot higher in ladder, i m currently abuot 700 points
but send me your version please
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On June 18 2012 02:29 Tassadarstarcraft2 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 02:17 cvgHuShang wrote:On June 18 2012 01:31 Tassadarstarcraft2 wrote:On June 18 2012 01:18 Alex-Berker wrote:
The difference is only 20-25 seconds which means youll get your 2 extra gas 20-25 seconds earlier which means before your nexus you can afford the gas to get more sentries as youll have 100 gas anyways leftover after the nexus. İ prefer it this way. İm former gm now 600 point masters. well i m higher than you i don t like what you say, because you don t have the production for the gas what i want to say is, when you re expanding your 4 gates are not up, so why should you invest into gas when you don t tech or build sentrys right away? you also want more minerals to build a wall+x cannons Well, I don't think it's that bad actually, but if you're going to go for the faster nexus route then you should just go and get your third right after your warp gate and stalker and added +5 gates at the nexus. Then you can get your next 2 gasses and tech of choice . With this style though you won't have an observer to watch for where the roaches are. You'll have to rely on a halucination. You'll also have less immortals but more stalkers. I'm not really sure which ones better, there might be some good blink timeings with this one but the 4 gate immortal one is definitely safer. i already said in this thread, that you can go observer first in your robo and skip hallu that s the choice of the player but it would be nice if you could upload some replays of your version, just to compare and so on
I'm not referring to a robo 3 gate build though at all.I'm talking about fast 3 nexus with only 2 gas. You get it like 1:30 earlier
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On June 18 2012 03:16 cvgHuShang wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 02:29 Tassadarstarcraft2 wrote:On June 18 2012 02:17 cvgHuShang wrote:On June 18 2012 01:31 Tassadarstarcraft2 wrote:On June 18 2012 01:18 Alex-Berker wrote:
The difference is only 20-25 seconds which means youll get your 2 extra gas 20-25 seconds earlier which means before your nexus you can afford the gas to get more sentries as youll have 100 gas anyways leftover after the nexus. İ prefer it this way. İm former gm now 600 point masters. well i m higher than you i don t like what you say, because you don t have the production for the gas what i want to say is, when you re expanding your 4 gates are not up, so why should you invest into gas when you don t tech or build sentrys right away? you also want more minerals to build a wall+x cannons Well, I don't think it's that bad actually, but if you're going to go for the faster nexus route then you should just go and get your third right after your warp gate and stalker and added +5 gates at the nexus. Then you can get your next 2 gasses and tech of choice . With this style though you won't have an observer to watch for where the roaches are. You'll have to rely on a halucination. You'll also have less immortals but more stalkers. I'm not really sure which ones better, there might be some good blink timeings with this one but the 4 gate immortal one is definitely safer. i already said in this thread, that you can go observer first in your robo and skip hallu that s the choice of the player but it would be nice if you could upload some replays of your version, just to compare and so on I'm not referring to a robo 3 gate build though at all.I'm talking about fast 3 nexus with only 2 gas. You get it like 1:30 earlier
yes and i don t know which build you re talking about, so please send me a replay
i expand with 2 gases as well btw, if you read properly
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On June 18 2012 03:19 Tassadarstarcraft2 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 03:16 cvgHuShang wrote:On June 18 2012 02:29 Tassadarstarcraft2 wrote:On June 18 2012 02:17 cvgHuShang wrote:On June 18 2012 01:31 Tassadarstarcraft2 wrote:On June 18 2012 01:18 Alex-Berker wrote:
The difference is only 20-25 seconds which means youll get your 2 extra gas 20-25 seconds earlier which means before your nexus you can afford the gas to get more sentries as youll have 100 gas anyways leftover after the nexus. İ prefer it this way. İm former gm now 600 point masters. well i m higher than you i don t like what you say, because you don t have the production for the gas what i want to say is, when you re expanding your 4 gates are not up, so why should you invest into gas when you don t tech or build sentrys right away? you also want more minerals to build a wall+x cannons Well, I don't think it's that bad actually, but if you're going to go for the faster nexus route then you should just go and get your third right after your warp gate and stalker and added +5 gates at the nexus. Then you can get your next 2 gasses and tech of choice . With this style though you won't have an observer to watch for where the roaches are. You'll have to rely on a halucination. You'll also have less immortals but more stalkers. I'm not really sure which ones better, there might be some good blink timeings with this one but the 4 gate immortal one is definitely safer. i already said in this thread, that you can go observer first in your robo and skip hallu that s the choice of the player but it would be nice if you could upload some replays of your version, just to compare and so on I'm not referring to a robo 3 gate build though at all.I'm talking about fast 3 nexus with only 2 gas. You get it like 1:30 earlier yes and i don t know which build you re talking about, so please send me a replay i expand with 2 gases as well btw, if you read properly
go look it up yourself if you're going to be rude like that.
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On June 18 2012 03:23 cvgHuShang wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 03:19 Tassadarstarcraft2 wrote:On June 18 2012 03:16 cvgHuShang wrote:On June 18 2012 02:29 Tassadarstarcraft2 wrote:On June 18 2012 02:17 cvgHuShang wrote:On June 18 2012 01:31 Tassadarstarcraft2 wrote:On June 18 2012 01:18 Alex-Berker wrote:
The difference is only 20-25 seconds which means youll get your 2 extra gas 20-25 seconds earlier which means before your nexus you can afford the gas to get more sentries as youll have 100 gas anyways leftover after the nexus. İ prefer it this way. İm former gm now 600 point masters. well i m higher than you i don t like what you say, because you don t have the production for the gas what i want to say is, when you re expanding your 4 gates are not up, so why should you invest into gas when you don t tech or build sentrys right away? you also want more minerals to build a wall+x cannons Well, I don't think it's that bad actually, but if you're going to go for the faster nexus route then you should just go and get your third right after your warp gate and stalker and added +5 gates at the nexus. Then you can get your next 2 gasses and tech of choice . With this style though you won't have an observer to watch for where the roaches are. You'll have to rely on a halucination. You'll also have less immortals but more stalkers. I'm not really sure which ones better, there might be some good blink timeings with this one but the 4 gate immortal one is definitely safer. i already said in this thread, that you can go observer first in your robo and skip hallu that s the choice of the player but it would be nice if you could upload some replays of your version, just to compare and so on I'm not referring to a robo 3 gate build though at all.I'm talking about fast 3 nexus with only 2 gas. You get it like 1:30 earlier yes and i don t know which build you re talking about, so please send me a replay i expand with 2 gases as well btw, if you read properly go look it up yourself if you're going to be rude like that.
wasn t meant to be rude, english is not my first language
i don t even know which build your exactly talking about
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I'm not on my main computer, but you dont get anything more than 1 gateway in tech. No robo, no extra gates.
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On June 17 2012 21:59 Mamoru wrote:
Nice guide... But i think u are a hacker i see 2 reeplays and u did the counter for build with no obs.
Game vs Elvis: u scout with obs but he have the spire hiden, and u do 2 stargate... maybe luck?
Game vs Haypro: when the 2 drops come ur base, u didnt scout, but u move all ur army to drop zone... maybe luck?
... i dont gonna see other replays ..
Wow, look dude. You don't have to see a spire to suspect mutas, if its getting towards mid-late game with lings only and hes mining alot of gas+spines. 90% chance of mutas, you never have to see the spire. Don't be an ass and accuse someone of hacking because you don't understand scouting.
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On June 18 2012 10:46 Xahhk wrote:
You saw like 2 spines in front of his base with your observer before putting down double stargate. The zerg player coiincidentally made 20 mutas (hid a proxy spire which you didn't scout). Why did you do that?
This is against that Elvis guy.
Also the zerg player had like 1 zergling out when you double stargated-are you just playing off the popular meta game on EU or something?
i don t like to answer the same question 1000 times, please read on the other pages, there are not 5000 pages, just 4 others
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+ Show Spoiler +Requesting TL hacker team to investigate replays anyone wanna contact them on their thread? (im on ipad i cant do it now sorry) Edit: the fact that he is 15 only increases the chance he is hacking or is a pro
Edit2: spoilered due to warning.
User was warned for this post
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This build is really not safe on daybreak for example because you only have one observer and it is in zergs base to see if he goes fast hive / mutas etc so split attacks, run-by etc are so hard to stop, i think you need at least 2 observers.
Parting did a much safer 3rd nexus at 8:30 in the GSL vs Symbol on Cloud Kingdom today. If this build became popular it would be way too easy to crush but now zergs dont abuse it cause they usually dont know what to do.
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