...has anyone considered or tried using this layout concept for other games?

I got this layout down pat a few months ago in about 10 days and loved it
now I'm considering trying to use it with WoW and GW2

slowbacontron

United States7722 Posts

November 16 2013 22:56 GMT

#6024

JaKaTaK has definitely said he uses the concepts in TheCore for his Dota 2 and LoL (I think? Don't quite remember the games) layouts.

JaKaTaKSc2

United States2787 Posts

November 16 2013 23:09 GMT

#6025

I use TheCore homekeys for every game I play that has custom keys

anilusion

Sweden247 Posts

November 16 2013 23:49 GMT

#6026

Maybe stimpack should be "-" and concusive shells "U"? You build marines on H, you reseach combat shield on H, you build marauders on U but you don't research conc shells on U. Is this just an oversight or am I missing something?

Vanngar

United States30 Posts

November 17 2013 01:20 GMT

#6027

On November 17 2013 08:09 JaKaTaK wrote:
I use TheCore homekeys for every game I play that has custom keys

so you use the JIOP formation instead of the WASD formation for games with typical WASD movement?

and yes, switch to colemak
if you can switch to core then you can switch to colemak easy, and vice versa

JaKaTaKSc2

United States2787 Posts

November 17 2013 04:09 GMT

#6028

I have decided to do it! I'll be switching to colemak during my 2 week winter break in december.

Vanngar

United States30 Posts

November 17 2013 13:49 GMT

#6029

Colemak is unfortunately not exactly the best layout, but it's significantly better than QWERTY and Dvorak
The best layout hasn't been found yet because it's a big puzzle to set the best parameters to most effectively evolve the layout
It's one of my goals to work on eventually

Also plz answer about the WASD thing
currently converting the layout to WoW, but there's several options for movement direction buttons

I'm probably going to keep it in the WASD formation as OKL:

JaKaTaKSc2

United States2787 Posts

November 17 2013 15:23 GMT

#6030

oh, sorry I missed that. I use the equivalent of IOP for left forward and right, and I use L for backwards in those kinds of games.

Also, I think Workman is going to be my best bet:
http://viralintrospection.wordpress.com/2010/09/06/a-different-philosophy-in-designing-keyboard-layouts/

Not to derail the thread too much, but what do you think?

Vanngar

United States30 Posts

November 17 2013 16:03 GMT

#6031

I was considering using workman at one point, but I found that his "uncomfortable" key combinations were all exceptionally comfortable for me

go with whichever has more comfortable bigraphs for you

I personally kinda have a strange irrational dislike of colemak because it's becoming more popular and I don't want it to become the new QWERTY rather than an optimal evolved layout that takes bigraphs and alternate-finger trigraphs into account (none do this yet so far, and they're how the fastest typist in the world is able to do what he does with QWERTY)

Nothus

United States12 Posts

November 17 2013 17:15 GMT

#6032

Jakatak, do you make any other changes to the layout for other games? Someone said you play LoL & DOTA, any others using the core? Skyrim, older RPGs and Saints Row come to mind when thinking about changing my hotkeys around.

I use to use a nostromo n52 (razer orbweaver is it's new name) for WoW.

JaKaTaKSc2

United States2787 Posts

November 18 2013 17:39 GMT

#6033

I'm not sure what you mean as far as changes to the layout. Dota 2 doesn't let you customize CGs as much as Sc2 does, so I end up using the hotkeys:

Select Hero
Select All
Select All - Hero

And that works for me (not high level play at all).

for WASD games I use POIL for right, up, left, and down respectively. I keep most abilities/spells on the ability side of the layout (since I mostly play Sc2 and this is easiest for me) even though its not optimal for most games. For games without control groups, I use the CG side of the layout for menus and such things to keep things consistent for my Sc2 play.

Nothus

United States12 Posts

November 18 2013 22:30 GMT

#6034

The change I meant was POIJ is the home group in SC2, but you use POIL for movement outside of SC2. I was considering just changing from wasd and related keys to the other side of the keyboard. I fiddled with it in Terraria for a few minutes after posting yesterday. Could be good.

One problem I have is that my pinky and ring fingers don't move independently very well. If I keep my pinky in place I can barely move my ring fingers to the key above resting. I'm going to look at the small layout, using TRM now.

I'm going to play with the camera settings and try moving them to the side of my Razer Naga.

JaKaTaKSc2

United States2787 Posts

November 18 2013 22:43 GMT

#6035

It is suggested that you play with a "loose" hand so that you don't strain your fingers to stay still while moving only one. Your pinky will become strong after using this layout. It has the highest potential dexterity out of all of your fingers (aside from the thumb).

lailaiwd

United States65 Posts

November 19 2013 18:34 GMT

#6036

I use the TRL version of the core, and recently i've realized the control+U camera activation has messed up my play numerous times. For example, when i press control and click on tanks to select all the tanks and then press U to siege them up, I always accidentally press control+U and shift my screen to the stored camera location instead of sieging up my tanks. I have tried pressing control and then consciously releasing it and press U but it could backfire when there's lag and results in delay in my mechanics. The solution I tried was to set the two additional cam hotkeys to control+H and control+J, thus avoiding the confusion between control+U and control + click a unit+ U(ability).

JaKaTaKSc2

United States2787 Posts

November 19 2013 19:40 GMT

#6037

@lailaiwd
Thanks for sharing that. Its not something that I think is smart to patch right away (unless there's an improvement we can make), because it seems like mostly human error.

Hancho

Germany89 Posts

November 20 2013 11:57 GMT

#6038

is there a development (alpha or beta stage) branch for the next release?

JaKaTaKSc2

United States2787 Posts

November 20 2013 20:37 GMT

#6039

We'll release potential patch notes shortly.

Defaced

Lithuania26 Posts

November 20 2013 20:53 GMT

#6040

Hey, I have a quick question. Considering I'm getting new pc along with new keyboard next week as well as probably switching race from toss to terran, I thought I might as well learn a more efficient layout.

With that in mind, I'm not really sure I like the idea of playing with tilted keyboard and everything on the left side. Would you recommend getting the core and just trying and learning it, or maybe getting chameleon instead? I just have this gut feeling that left side and tilted keyboard is weird somehow, maybe it's just misguided and my years of playing with standard setup mostly everywhere. Is there any benefits to the core that chameleon doesn't have?

Thanks a lot for all the work you put into both of the layouts and community in general, keep it up!