• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 20:14
CET 02:14
KST 10:14
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !10Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2
StarCraft 2
General
The Grack before Christmas Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Micro Lags When Playing SC2? When will we find out if there are more tournament
Tourneys
$100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1 RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Anyone remember me from 2000s Bnet EAST server?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] LB QuarterFinals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 998 users

Useful Zerg Tips for the May 10th Balance Update - Page 3

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
straycat
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
230 Posts
May 10 2012 11:03 GMT
#41
The queen change will probably make defending cheese slightly easier, but I don't think it will affect my play very much.

Overlord speed however - f*ck yeah! Omg that will be so great.
iKill
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Denmark861 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-10 11:11:39
May 10 2012 11:11 GMT
#42
thepuppyassassin: "My god... the deathball's grown wings!"
oZe
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden492 Posts
May 10 2012 11:20 GMT
#43
Putting in the work! I hope you win alot ^^

I never really thought overlords where UP. They and zerglings is the main reason I am so much better with zerg in 1v1. Find it hard to get good scouting with T&P. Mainly because I hate losing workers and splitting more than 25 mineral chunks from my army ;-)

Ps. Blizzard make me cry with all this downtime. Feels like server is down every 2 weeks. Nobody told them about failover??? They could easily make downtime equal to one restart of the game.
The worst kinds of organized crime are religion & government.
Qgelfich
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany90 Posts
May 10 2012 11:42 GMT
#44
Gj Zelniq, especially for the overlord timings and sweetspots, as most ppl would probably not realise what they can do (like flying through terran main on shakuras).
PsyChoRo
Profile Joined October 2010
Romania85 Posts
May 10 2012 12:27 GMT
#45
nice post !
ItchyLegs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada369 Posts
May 10 2012 12:37 GMT
#46
great post
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
May 10 2012 15:14 GMT
#47
The Overlord speed especially seems quite significant for Zerg early game. Looking forward to the new meta
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Shibbxyz
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom94 Posts
May 10 2012 15:26 GMT
#48
The main thing for overlord speed is getting across the map at the start of the game without being killed by the first marine which in its current state happend too often, the slight increase has removed this finally and I can feel safe about sending first overlord across map which is perfect
The queen attack range wasn't needed but its the perfect anti scout unit now, and this is why I think they changed it to range 5 not 4, since before Terran and Protoss could just send scv or probe when ever they wanted to see what we zergs were doing and unless we had speed or a spine up it was pretty difficult to stop but now that first queen can stop that pesky probe or scv at the ramp.
Now I can have more fun doing early harass cause that damn scout can be denied
TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
May 10 2012 15:51 GMT
#49
Thanks a lot for posting this, very useful information :D
Coaching www.allin-academy.com | Team www.All-Inspiration.com
Sylfyre
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia222 Posts
May 10 2012 16:01 GMT
#50
Helpful for zergs, and the other races =D tyvm
dextrin303
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden320 Posts
May 10 2012 16:06 GMT
#51
Thank you for making this post, cleared up some stuff for me.
spbelky
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States623 Posts
May 10 2012 16:10 GMT
#52
My hellions are very very sad indeed.
chestnutcc
Profile Joined July 2011
India429 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-10 16:30:17
May 10 2012 16:29 GMT
#53
4-5 queen openings going to hit the front of the ZvT meta imo. Stephano opens with roaches in the match up to deflect hellions and threaten the possibility of a bust. The 4 queen opening won't be able to pressure, but will be able to get up a much more economical 3rd base. My guess is a kind of gasless three hatch like in the ZvP matchup, except the third hatch is a macro, with 5-6 queens, banshees are also taken care of.

PS: Can't you stutter step queens vs hellions? Each time the hellions stutter, the queen can stutter with them, and never be out of range. Also her fat ass is great for blocking behind mineral lines.
phiinix
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1169 Posts
May 10 2012 16:44 GMT
#54
I thought scouting with scvs was hard enough T_T, now they don't even need the spine or lings. Good write up though, a lot of zergs didn't know that 2 marines could snipe an ovie moving into the sweet spot on korhal.
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-10 16:58:04
May 10 2012 16:55 GMT
#55
I think this might become important eventually:
ZvP queens can hit buildings without being hit by cannon. Walking over queens or nydusing in front of a FFE walloff looks to be viable now. Except their speed queens dominate hydra's as far as combat stats go now so mass queen + ling with nydus looks to be a really good thing if you ask me. For maps without a second ramp at the natural i can see this be quite a viable all-in, especially if toss opened air.

I really think at some point they should just give the queen a speed upgrade and get rid of the hydra completely, I think hydra's are now completely useless to build.

HelloSon
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
May 10 2012 16:59 GMT
#56
On May 11 2012 01:55 Markwerf wrote:
I think this might become important eventually:
ZvP queens can hit buildings without being hit by cannon. Walking over queens or nydusing in front of a FFE walloff looks to be viable now. Except their speed queens dominate hydra's as far as combat stats go now so mass queen + ling with nydus looks to be a really good thing if you ask me. For maps without a second ramp at the natural i can see this be quite a viable all-in, especially if toss opened air.

I really think at some point they should just give the queen a speed upgrade and get rid of the hydra completely, I think hydra's are now completely useless to build.


if you lose to your FFE wall getting broken by mass queens, then you deserve to lose.
yo
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
May 10 2012 17:05 GMT
#57
On May 11 2012 01:59 HelloSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 01:55 Markwerf wrote:
I think this might become important eventually:
ZvP queens can hit buildings without being hit by cannon. Walking over queens or nydusing in front of a FFE walloff looks to be viable now. Except their speed queens dominate hydra's as far as combat stats go now so mass queen + ling with nydus looks to be a really good thing if you ask me. For maps without a second ramp at the natural i can see this be quite a viable all-in, especially if toss opened air.

I really think at some point they should just give the queen a speed upgrade and get rid of the hydra completely, I think hydra's are now completely useless to build.


if you lose to your FFE wall getting broken by mass queens, then you deserve to lose.


and if you lose it to hydra's you don't? Queen bust can be really strong, just tech lair off 2 base make get around 7 queens and nydus just outside the wall while protecting it with speedling. Use the queens to take down wall and stream in lings. 7 queens take down a building only a bit slower then roaches and are much beefier, i can see it working well. It's just much faster then a hydra bust because you don't need a hydra den or lots of geysers plus you are using less larvae so you can stream more lings..
jarf1337
Profile Joined July 2010
United States146 Posts
May 10 2012 17:14 GMT
#58

this is an amazing post! just what I was hoping for.
wut kan i dew
TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
May 10 2012 17:15 GMT
#59
Thank you Zelniq for this! Really saves me alot of time testing this for myself <3
GreyCone
Profile Joined April 2010
United States42 Posts
May 10 2012 17:22 GMT
#60
You should put screenshots with arrows on the map (showing where OL originated from) and then it will be an AMAZING post. I'm sure I can figure all the spots out following your directions but... pictures. Otherwise, really helpful, so thank you.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 7h 46m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 105
NaDa 29
Hm[arnc] 2
Dota 2
ROOTCatZ17
League of Legends
C9.Mang0330
Counter-Strike
summit1g10750
byalli622
Other Games
tarik_tv5524
Grubby2986
XaKoH 139
ZombieGrub74
Mew2King72
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1764
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta61
• HeavenSC 60
• musti20045 37
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22248
• WagamamaTV1675
League of Legends
• Doublelift6208
Other Games
• imaqtpie2171
• Scarra1389
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
7h 46m
WardiTV Invitational
10h 46m
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Big Brain Bouts
1d 15h
Elazer vs Nicoract
Reynor vs Scarlett
Replay Cast
1d 22h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Krystianer vs TBD
TriGGeR vs SKillous
Percival vs TBD
ByuN vs Nicoract
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.