just got home and tested it, they did improve the animation a bit. So it's actually slightly better now to stutter step with queens then to just let them attack, if you dont screw it up (time it so you move the queen just as you hear the 2nd attack hit).

Synwave

United States2803 Posts

May 11 2012 03:02 GMT

#82

Interesting stuff, thank you for taking the time to test and post.

KookyMonster

United States311 Posts

May 11 2012 03:18 GMT

#83

Good to know. Thanks for posting

HeavOnEarth

United States7087 Posts

May 11 2012 03:21 GMT

#84

the best thing is 4v4 and massing queens.
U haven't lived until u see 200 supply worth of queens drop onto tanks from overlords

CFCryptos

United States70 Posts

May 11 2012 03:28 GMT

#85

I hope blizzard realizes the queen buff was the dumbest thing they've ever done. Hellion opening is absolutely useless now. Considering in TvZ the Z is more favored( according to blizzards statistics they released last week) then they go and buff the favored race? That's quite dumb because that just killed an entire opening. Absolutely unacceptable.. why is blizzard racist? i mean really Z buffs every time they cry

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sCCrooked

Korea (South)1306 Posts

May 11 2012 03:34 GMT

#86

On May 11 2012 12:28 CFCryptos wrote:
I hope blizzard realizes the queen buff was the dumbest thing they've ever done. Hellion opening is absolutely useless now. Considering in TvZ the Z is more favored( according to blizzards statistics they released last week) then they go and buff the favored race? That's quite dumb because that just killed an entire opening. Absolutely unacceptable.. why is blizzard racist? i mean really Z buffs every time they cry

This is probably the dumbest comment so far. You must be a very low rank to be speaking about this like its something game-breaking. Not to mention your comment on Z being favored is just flat-out made-up (and very incorrect). Only pro-gamers are really qualified to speak about balance and none of them are complaining about this so far.

provrorsbarn

Sweden766 Posts

May 11 2012 03:39 GMT

#87

Best thread Ive read in years

gonna be very useful for me thx

nojok

France15846 Posts

May 11 2012 04:24 GMT

#88

I agree pros are more affected than I by small changes like this, it won't even change my gameplay so we can say I deal with it better than pros so I'm more skilled than pros.

KriptoKnight

United States6 Posts

May 11 2012 06:10 GMT

#89

z buffs everytime they cry? lol zerg hasnt gotten a buff in a while that actually meant something you obviously dont follow the patches much

ThePlayer33

Australia2378 Posts

May 11 2012 07:25 GMT

#90

awesome thread thanks so much

Man with a Plan

United States401 Posts

May 11 2012 07:41 GMT

#91

On May 10 2012 16:44 Zelniq wrote:
I'm having fun theorycrafting the idea of mass queens. Doesn't sound that bad, as long as you can nydus them over or have good creep spread. Transfuses make up for the less than ideal DPS-per-cost of the unit. Their dps is quite decent, and gain +2 dmg per upgrade. Heh at lvl 3 attack they almost double their damage. Too bad its split into 2 attacks though so armor is twice as effective. But with anti-air, 1 armor and good HP, creep tumors and Transfuse working very well with other queens, I dunno sounds kind of decent

Thanks for the amazingly awesome and useful tips. I've also been interested in how the changes in queens change things in HoTS. Mass queens via nydus and transfuse abuse might be all worth it.

Sporadic44

United States533 Posts

May 11 2012 07:51 GMT

#92

godly post. all very interesting and helpful information. In particular the part you said that wasnt worth reading. It's understanding small nuances like that, that will help a player improve their game. Great writeup, thank you.

Letall

Sweden384 Posts

May 11 2012 10:41 GMT

#93

Ive played a fair amount with the new queens and I used to always go 14/14 in ZvZ but atm I just dont think it is as viable anymore, if you want to do some runby's just as you get speed to pick of 1-2 drones with ur first 6-8 lings vs a fast expand you wont really get anything done beacuse of the range change. I wouldnt be suprised if we see A LOT more early hatches in zvz since queens snipe banelings in seconds. Mid masters player

Sanguinarius

United States3427 Posts

May 11 2012 15:55 GMT

#94

Excellent post. Thank you. I love the theorycrafting

BronzeKnee

United States5226 Posts

May 11 2012 16:51 GMT

#95

The Queen ground attack animation looks really dumb now. They need to do something about it, or change the description on the Queen's ground attack so it doesn't say "Talons."

Schematic

United States14 Posts

May 11 2012 18:08 GMT

#96

Is it fair to say that Terran is the most nerfed and Zerg over the time since released has been the most buffed? So now you can't scout the zerg, and the made it easier for the zerg to scout you, nice. Good job Blizzard. How do you deny creep spread now? How do you slow down zerg macro w/o being able to effectively use hellions? We'll just have to see how this plays out.

deathserv

United States228 Posts

May 11 2012 18:33 GMT

#97

Thanks for the research man. Very useful for a law student Zerg who doesn't have much time to play to figure this stuff out on his own.

arie3000

153 Posts

May 11 2012 18:51 GMT

#98

On May 12 2012 03:08 Schematic wrote:
Is it fair to say that Terran is the most nerfed and Zerg over the time since released has been the most buffed? So now you can't scout the zerg, and the made it easier for the zerg to scout you, nice. Good job Blizzard. How do you deny creep spread now? How do you slow down zerg macro w/o being able to effectively use hellions? We'll just have to see how this plays out.

LOL, terrans have this thing called 'scan', no? Don't complain about the cost, zergs will sac overlords for scouting too.
For the rest was it good that something was done about hellion harassment. The amount of micro needed to stop hellion harass was not in proportion to what it took to stop it, concerning the units involved and the consequences it had. It was really painful to watch mineral lines getting roasted because of small mistakes - now that is evened out a little.

Anyway, incredible useful thread, thanks a lot! Very useful to know these OL timings, they'll come to great use. Cheers for all the work you put in!

dUTtrOACh

Canada2339 Posts

May 11 2012 19:03 GMT

#99

On May 12 2012 03:51 arie3000 wrote:

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Some people would rather piss away infinite units and do blind timings than drop a scan. To each their own. If (s)he's convinced (s)he can't scout, let him/her live in his/her imagination land. Don't let it bother you too much.