EPT[G] TheCore Lite - Advanced Keyboard Layout - Page 15
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JaKaTaKSc2
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JaKaTaKSc2
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Antylamon
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On May 16 2012 03:19 JaKaTaK wrote: Daaaayyumm that's excellent. Do you know what other situations/units this comes in handy for? What are you going to do with the stop hotkey now? It's pretty obvious you were thinking about ditching it. | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
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On May 16 2012 03:41 Antylamon wrote: What are you going to do with the stop hotkey now? It's pretty obvious you were thinking about ditching it. We were not considering ditching it. Unit abilities need to be prioritized so that we can assign each command to the corresponding key in order of shortest to longest time to press while taking hand strain into account. Attack, Hold Position, Stop, Patrol, and up to 4 abilities need to be prioritized based on their average frequency per game and how time sensitive they are. Stop came in surprisingly high in our tests, but we are trying to figure out how much of that AFpG was due to the fact that stop is S in the standard layout while hold position is significantly further away on H. So, what we need to figure out is, are there more instances per game where hold position is better used than stop or vis versa. This is incredibly difficult when polling people that use different hotkey groups (too many variables) however, we're attempting to get people using the darkgrid layout to submit replays for our analysis program (designed and written by Voltaire) | ||
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Borskey
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On May 16 2012 04:24 JaKaTaK wrote: So, what we need to figure out is, are there more instances per game where hold position is better used than stop or vis versa. My guess is that Stop should be used more frequently due to stutter stepping. You should probably only ever use "Hold" when you specifically want your units to hold (ie, there are seiged tanks nearby). The rest of the time, you want your units to aggro normally. In those situations, the difference between the two seems small, but can be enough to change the result of a battle. | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
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JaKaTaKSc2
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On May 16 2012 09:40 monkybone wrote: Most players who have played a while (especially pros) have switched the hold position button to a more comfortable one. I use W. There's no reason to keep it at H. Good point, but I wonder how many of the pro players are so set in their standard ways that they don't change their keys at all. | ||
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EmNprotOtype
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IlK
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On May 16 2012 09:52 EmNprotOtype wrote: lol i have big hands i can hit cntrl+0 Me2 but i have to put the thumb on ctrl in order to do it, thats not efficient^^ Im curious if i will want to play with thumb on shift, could u post the keys that u will use (not their usage) so i can decide if i start practising or wait for the new concept please? | ||
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Natespank
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Fallen903
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Standard Template Backspace[Base Jump] - Space Burrow - R Mutas - Q Hydras - E Ultras - A Then all Zerg Upgrades correspond to the Keyboard ( for the 5x3 Box ) Ex) Evolution Chamber Melee - Q Range - W Carpace - E ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My hotkeys normally are 1 - Hatches 2 - Queens (Debating moving to mouse key, and just using Space to swap between) 3-8 - Units ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Whether or not each key combination may be individually faster however it is entirely user preference and depends on natural/learned hand placement on top of variability in each persons hand. | ||
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zeroISM
Japan161 Posts
On May 16 2012 09:38 JaKaTaK wrote: You both bring up great points. Just got a load of new tournament data, currently aggregating from 2129 games (wish we could get a hold of GSL replays). Hold position is on the top of stop by 2.6 average times per game in Protoss, 1.8 average times per game in Zerg, and 1.4 average times per game in Terran. Due to the fact that stop is a much more convenient key to press, I'm going to say that the Pros must have damn good reasons for reaching over to hold position. For the GSL data, maybe you could ask Artosis about the Stop vs Hold command, since he is behind the scenes, he may know the standards for the Code A/S players. I'm eagerly awaiting for the final layout. Thanks for your hard work! | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
On May 16 2012 12:52 zeroISM wrote: For the GSL data, maybe you could ask Artosis about the Stop vs Hold command, since he is behind the scenes, he may know the standards for the Code A/S players. I'm eagerly awaiting for the final layout. Thanks for your hard work! That's a good idea. I'm sure Artosis has a lot of other things to do, but who knows, maybe he'll respond... On May 16 2012 11:34 Natespank wrote: looked up the twitch site, seems like episode 1 is missing, or at least i can't find it. Episode 1 had to get deleted  But it was a train-wreck-and-a-half. I accidentally revealed some personal information  Maybe I'll release it later just for laughs once i can edit the video. Help yourself to the rest of it in the mean time :D Also, long term with the new layout there will be multiple versions for people with varying hand sizes, for all of you long fingered individuals out there :D | ||
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Xenq
Australia3 Posts
 I was wondering if you had put much thought into the inject method? My experience using the Base Camera method is that it is sub-optimal with more than 3 bases (or as soon as you add a macro hatch). If I wanted to assign 3 control groups to queens do you have any advice which keys I should use. By using that method I might be able to reassign Capslock also. One other thing - should I be using Centre on Current Selection? I'm trying to think of when I would have something selected that's not already grouped and coming up blank. | ||
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Garnet
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Surili
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