[G] TheCore Lite - Advanced Keyboard Layout - Page 13

On May 13 2012 01:44 Kaitlin wrote:


Fingers on FGHJ and thumb between Spacebar and Right Alt. The only key used that is not adjacent to a 'home' finger position is 6, which is only used for 'Center on Selection', and I can hit that with my middle finger with only normal extension. Alternatively, 'R' is unbound if '6' was inconvenient. I wasn't trying to poo poo your layout and say mine is better. They are very different and mine changes keyboard and mouse drivers, which yours does not. Mine requires tournament approval for that reason, and yours does not. Therefore, they really aren't even comparable. But I only play on ladder, so it works for me.

I took Iokke's post to basically say you needed to find additional real estate (unused key) to bind it. My response was to point out that unlike control groups and other 'Command Card' commands, Warp Gate can be set to not only a single key, but to a combination of keys, so you don't necessarily need to find an unused key to bind it, just an unused key combination.

On May 13 2012 02:22 nojok wrote:
I'm getting accustomed to it and I think it's better than grid.

On May 13 2012 05:08 JaKaTaK wrote:


It takes a minimum of 22 keys to play sc2 with 10 control groups, plus all of the camera hotkeys that you don't layer with the third modifier key, (which you exclude?) What functions are you sacrificing in this 16 key layout?

On May 13 2012 05:21 terranmoccasin wrote:
I'm trying this out for the first time and it's a bit hard getting used to having all of my production on one hotkey. I'm a toss player, and often times I want to set different rally points for my robo and my stargate. Is there some other way to do this besides splitting up the building hotkeys? I like the idea of having them all on 'D' and using spacebar to cycle through

On May 13 2012 05:09 JaKaTaK wrote:


good to hear man! how long did it take for you to get used to it?

On May 13 2012 05:59 Acritter wrote:
I honestly think the biggest problem with this IS relearning. Look at the professionals: even now, they will still hotkey their Nexus to 0. The only harder thing than training is untraining. So although I thank your kind efforts, I don't think this is going to be revolutionary or even yield very significant results. The most important thing is learning how to use your hotkey setup, not how efficient the hotkey setup is (for support of this statement, go look up why it is that we use the notoriously inefficient QWERTY keyboard over the DVORAK keyboard).

On May 13 2012 05:33 Kaitlin wrote:


No functions sacrificed. In fact, Esc (C) is even in there. I have all 10 control groups, all 8 camera locations, idle workers, center on selection, Backspace Base Cycle, everything is included, and it works for all 3 races. I have the Spacebar acting as Shift, U acting as Ctrl, and Mouse Back button acting as Alt. There is even room for expansion, as you can see 'R' is not being used and there are various key combinations open as well. I've been thinking of doing an updated Thread, since it's been about a year since I wrote the first version. I'm not sure how you calculate 22 keys, but it might be correct. I didn't picture my mouse, since I was only trying to show what keys are used, showing the 'no hand movement' challenge lol.

On May 13 2012 07:23 Kazahk wrote:
I have read your entire post and the reasoning behind this setup is genius! I'm going to play around with it and see if I can get used to it...

On May 13 2012 06:55 n00bd wrote:
Jakatak!

Where's this new hotkey beta?! *twiddles thumbs*

On May 13 2012 05:51 nojok wrote:

Around 25 games, but not all things are ok, got 8 losses during 10 first games on ladder ( only 2 games vs easy cpu before ). Besides I just did a full SC2 day today and I think sleeping help a lot to memorise. I better memorise the keys I'm spamming more, like prod & CCs. Also I'm back to SC2 for less than a month & I'm only plat (was gold one week ago) so I jumped on your help as I felt neither basic SC2 hotkeys neither grid was really great so I don't have to relearn so many things.
What I really like is doing the cycles with spacebar. I'm not used to have more than 3 or 4 control groups so I can't say it's really better but what really hold me from more control groups was the distance from 6 7 8 etc so I think it will only increase my available control groups. The macro at least is easier and it's what I'm focusing on, army control is not so much worst than before, but I focus on mechanics at the moment.
Again I switched to your custom keys at top plat and I'm only back to top plat ( took 2 days). I'm also following the from bronze to master guide at the same time, so I'm in tryhard mode at the moment. Unfortunately I'll have to do massive homework very soon ( I don't know how to call it in English, the end of studies work you have to give to get your diploma).

Thank you for the help, it helps those too lazy to make their own custom keys

On May 13 2012 08:58 JaKaTaK wrote:


Where are your control groups and camera hotkeys, because 10+8>16. And where are your unit/building abilities? because that accounts for 9 more keys. 10+8+9+next subgroup, center on current selection, esc, and idle worker makes 31 keys. if you layer the screen hotkeys (which i assume you do) than that's 31-8=23 (i wasn't counting esc before)

On May 13 2012 08:23 faintrigor wrote:
Hey. Good work. I've been practicing this hotkey setup, but what annoys me is how the hotkey for "stop" is "2". Often times, I'm using "1" to go back to my main base, but sometimes, I accidently hit "2", stopping whatever units I am controlling. Can you fix this? I'm sure there are other people like me who run into this same problem. I'm playing Protoss, and I think it would be better to have it set up so that you can now hotkey a location using "2" and have "Y" as "stop". This way you can use 3 hotkey locations more easily, using Tab, 1, and 2.

What do you think? Is there a particular reason you use "2" for "stop"?

On May 14 2012 02:42 cosimorondo wrote:
Can you elaborate further on your next generation hotkey setup you are working on, when it will be ready? (2 weeks, 2 months, 2 years?)

On May 13 2012 08:58 JaKaTaK wrote:



Hopefully in a couple of days, there is a really awesome dude who wrote a program to take data out of replays that analyzes commands, so we're working that stuff out first.