[G] TheCore Lite - Advanced Keyboard Layout - Page 14

On May 14 2012 17:25 Akinokaze wrote:
Using hold achieves the same thing though, and without the very slight delay you get with stop. The only use that comes to mind is holding stop on Ghosts/Sentries while you shift queue Snipe/Forcefield instead of just spam clicking. Using hold in this situation means the they're still attacking while you queue the skill, so they end up killing their current target before carrying out the order.

Using S - click - S - click - S - click is so much easier though, I don't even know if you can make an argument that it comes down to preference.

On May 14 2012 20:08 monkybone wrote:


Why can't you use attack move here?

On May 14 2012 08:22 Hylite wrote:
Never used the stop hotkey as far I can recall.

On May 14 2012 10:17 HGurryp wrote:
Im going to test but is this really good?
well im protoss but for select all warp gates i need press ctrl+shift+]? lol

On May 14 2012 10:21 popados wrote:
Very anxious to see the new layout. I caught a glimpse of the hand position in Jak's twitch video and I'm quite intrigued. A little worried however because I don't think it will work with a 6gv2 steelseries. The right-shift button is smaller than most keyboards. Very problematic trying to hit it with your thumb.

At any rate I can't wait for this to be done, or at the very least get a peek at how the layout is going to be. I've been holding off on long sessions of sc2 just to try this. Getting antsy! ^^

On May 14 2012 16:26 zeroISM wrote:
About the STOP command I only use it when I'm (zerg) chasing his retreating army with lings.
Instead of running until you passed by his units, hitting STOP while running around his army makes the lings do 1 attack - it's almost like Marine stutter step.

On May 14 2012 20:34 zeroISM wrote:


You CAN use Attack Move, but it will be 1 more key that you press:
S vs A*click*

Using the attack move brings up three dangerous things:
1. Accidentaly clicking on 1 marine and then all your lings will start to try to attack only that marine, stopping attack on all of the others that are running away.
2. *Clicking* before the 'A' keypress, which will cause you to deselect your group of lings for a moment.
3. Overly spending your APM on micro, thus causing your macro to slip.

In Micro situations, considering you and your opponent are equally skilled, if you are having to do more actions than your opponent, he has the advantage over you.

On May 14 2012 23:52 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
I dont get how this would be more efficient than grid layout

On May 15 2012 03:29 goose114 wrote:
Thank you for all of the effort you've put into this so far. I'm coming back to the game after a few months of not playing, and am switching races, so I'm also going to take the plunge and learn an efficient hotkey setup.

Would you say that the new layout will likely be better than [Chameleon] with the HHKB Pro 2 keyboard? I've played around with [Chameleon] some, and I like it so far, only I have to move the base camera and center camera hotkeys to Mouse 4 and Mouse 5. Mostly I'm wondering if the new layout will have more keys I need to move due to the abnormal layout of my keyboard.

On May 15 2012 04:35 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
i dont support the assumption that attack move is the most pressed key in an average game. Are there any statistics about that?
When i think about my most pressed key in grid layout it would probably be Q for building stuff in the top left of the building menu like scvs, marines, hellions, vikings, upgrades..
by minute 10 i've effectively (without spamming) hitten Q 50 times for probes + 30-40 times for marines. No way im attack moving nearly as often.

Also having lift off buildings and stop building on the same hotkey could be very frustrating.
And im not sure if you meant to have hold fire for ghosts on K and I so far away. You essentially need that for sniping HTs, because if u dont use hold fire, u cant snipe fast enough. otherwise ghosts do this auto attack between snipe shots and u will catch a lot of storms and be dead.

Those two things have to be mistakes or you've just never really played terran before.

Im not trying to be a pain in the ass, i just see those things and think this cant be right.

On May 15 2012 06:06 monkybone wrote:


I don't agree with these arguments.
1. I kite all the time with a-move, I never use stop. Can't remember I ever misclicked on another unit.
2. A left-click on the ground won't deselect your units.
3. Really? -.- a-move instead stop causes macro to slip? please

On May 15 2012 08:43 cosimorondo wrote:
On the topic of stop commands, as a zerg, sometimes I will inject with my queen hotkey and a queen goes astray to the wrong hatch and I want my queens to stop moving, but I want them to still respond to incoming flying units by chasing them, or scvs sneaking past or zergling run bys, etc.

Basically, any time I want my units to stop moving, but I want them to aggro, I use stop instead of hold, same for positioning my zerglings early game in a ZvZ, I want them to move to intercept scouting zerglings, so i will move them and the use the stop command when they are in the exact spot i want.

On May 15 2012 09:40 monkybone wrote:


Pretty much this. Stop is essential in these situations.

Consider TvT with a viking on viking battle. If you have selected your vikings, and they are moving, but you are not looking at them, making them hold position to stop will be devastating if the enemy vikings attack. You want all your vikings to react and attack. And move/attack-move while not looking at the vikings is not practical.

On May 15 2012 12:58 JaKaTaK wrote:


Holy shit, that keyboard is dope. JaKaTaK Righty is much much better on that keyboard than any other I've seen. The new layout relies on the standard keyboard layout setup. Especially of Shift Ctrl and Alt. It will not work well on an HHKB Pro 2 as far as I can see. However, if you are sticking with this keyboard, JaKaTaK Righty is even better IMO.



So far, with the help of a program made by Voltaire, FoxyMayhem and I have found and crunched command execution data from more than 700 tournament games. In all races, A-move was the most executed command by a fucking long shot. But not to worry, we aren't stopping at a mere 700 games, we'll be aggregating as much data as possible to have an accurate and exact list of every command that can be assigned a hotkey in Sc2 and how often it is pressed in an average tournament game in order to fully optimize the new layouts Chameleon and Storm.

As for the hold fire, I didn't realize that it was a necessary command. I found out recently that it was, this will be rectified. Thanks for the input.



Thank you monkeybone.



Cool cool man. Thanks for the input. :D



Why are you not looking at your vikings while they need to be micro-ed?

On May 15 2012 19:04 monkybone wrote:


Some times you have to move your army while doing others things. As the poster above me said, you don't want your vikings to be like sitting ducks once the enemy appear.