EPT[G] LiquidZenio's ZvP All-In: 3 Hatch Ling/Bane - Page 3
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usNEUX
United States76 Posts
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CommanchyWattkins
Canada117 Posts
 love the rage at the end :DD | ||
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BriTadeb
France23 Posts
I don't understand your map choice for this build. Can you explain what is the point ? Ohana : whats the difference with shakuras ? Same choke right ? | ||
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schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
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Salivanth
Australia1071 Posts
Nice guide Tang, though as a Protoss player I'm now going to have to set a large bounty on your head. I guess I'll have to start looping around and scouting the main at around 4:00 to see the gas, and use my Zealot to scout for a third, since there's no way I'll make it out of the main. Not sure if that'll work at high levels, but it should work at my level. | ||
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NOOBALOPSE
Canada802 Posts
On April 22 2012 05:42 TangSC wrote: Yes I did, though I have seen him use the build in other games. One of the cool aspects of this build is if you start speed with your first hundred gas, and scout to find the protoss is playing VERY defensive (3+ cannons early) you could just do a with-speed version of the Stephano style instead of going for the bust. It's only an all-in commitment once you start streaming lings. Day9 did a daily on this!!! I remember seeing it... Part 1 http://blip.tv/day9tv/day-9-daily-388-p1-stephano-s-zvp-brilliance-5824215 Part 2 http://blip.tv/day9tv/day-9-daily-388-p2-stephano-s-zvp-brilliance-5824241 Part 3 http://blip.tv/day9tv/day-9-daily-388-p3-stephano-s-zvp-brilliance-5824272 Just note that this is a little bit old. Love the guide tang <3 | ||
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KrakInDub
Jamaica20 Posts
So i thought you can use Zenio's 3 Hatch all-in only to cripple the Protoss way enough while keep updroning without being that far behind him? Mean's you kick his forge and more or less probes so he can't proceed with his timing attack pressure and your able to get even your 3rd running and just a better eco while he must get back into his game and before he can do some serious damage you will have enough roach/lings/whatever just in time before the toss can do so? That's just in my mind but hopeing for some opinions | ||
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schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
On April 22 2012 13:04 KrakInDub wrote: Im asking myself if it's possible to use this as an "semi" all-in Build against FFE, cause i just saw Destiny got crushed against toss playing FFE into 4 Gate +1 pressure and he just had no chance against it, when his 3rd was up he had nothing to deal with that amount of Zealots/Stalker/Sentrys and this seems very common in the current PvZ and what else does Zergs than 3 Bases before Gas? Nothing in my opinion cause your forced to all-in against FFE and pray for a win or go for a macro game. But i don't like gambling. You can hold 4 gate zealots +1 just fine with 3 hatch before gas, just as long as you take gas at 40 or before and make roaches as soon as you have the gas to. | ||
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ggMufasa
Australia24 Posts
On April 22 2012 11:53 schmutttt wrote: Just a question, what are 5 banelings going to bust if he doesn't have a pylon/cannon as part of the wall? could delay the attack and just morph more banelings... though you're basially hoping that he isn't getting any sentry. | ||
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Mahtasooma
Germany475 Posts
It's not like he has much more stuff at 8:00 or 8:30 than he would at 7:15 when scouting three bases. And it wouldn't be as much of an allin then? The advantage of hitting at 7:15 is that warpgate tech is not done... but he wouldn't have enough gates to profit from it at 8:00, either... only that probably a single Void could be out if he went 1stargate. | ||
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Schnullerbacke13
Germany1199 Posts
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Vralaren
Sweden130 Posts
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Statique
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I normally never post on TL, but I couldn't resist this time. I want to thank you for your kickass guides on being an agressive-pain-in-the-ass Zerg (nomnomnom). You made my ZvZ fun and understandable again, you gave me a clear guide to 3base ZvP and now a horrificly fantastic ZvP all-in guide. Your guides are well written, give me a clear understanding of what to do in different situations and most importantly, give me builds that make SC2 a lot of fun for me, an evil bastard.  Nevermind all the haters and dirtdiggers! Please keep up this amazing work! I look forward to your future guides and especially ZvT, because that's the only matchup I'm having trouble with, thanks to you!  Yours truly, Statique | ||
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sgtjimmy
Canada107 Posts
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Indrium
United States2236 Posts
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
On April 22 2012 11:53 schmutttt wrote: Just a question, what are 5 banelings going to bust if he doesn't have a pylon/cannon as part of the wall? Generally you would go through the forge, since it has less hp/shields than the gateway/cyber. | ||
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denzelz
United States604 Posts
On April 23 2012 08:32 TangSC wrote: Generally you would go through the forge, since it has less hp/shields than the gateway/cyber. A note here: this build only works if you are going to bust through a Pylon. If you have to go through a Forge, you need to wait until you have 10 Banelings. Usually that means you have to get a second gas right after you put down a Baneling nest. | ||
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
On April 23 2012 09:15 denzelz wrote: A note here: this build only works if you are going to bust through a Pylon. If you have to go through a Forge, you need to wait until you have 10 Banelings. Usually that means you have to get a second gas right after you put down a Baneling nest. I think it's better to do like Zenio did against naniwa in the first replay example: Take the 5-6 banes into the forge and then use zerglings to finish it off. | ||
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zJayy962
1363 Posts
On April 23 2012 13:43 TangSC wrote: I think it's better to do like Zenio did against naniwa in the first replay example: Take the 5-6 banes into the forge and then use zerglings to finish it off. Also on most maps that can't be walled off by 3 large buildings (like shakuras) this build is especially potent | ||
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LazinCajun
United States294 Posts
As an exclusive ladder player, however, I just don't see doing something like this increasing my winrate compared to playing the standard roach/ling style unless I see the protoss being exceptionally greedy and / or walled retardedly. What are you thoughts? (Also, lol @ the BM from the replay with ILOVECHICKS) | ||
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