[G] LiquidZenio's ZvP All-In: 3 Hatch Ling/Bane - Page 10

i too play zerg and i feel zerg isn't made for all ins. way too less affective imo then terran/toss all ins.

On September 22 2012 02:06 Laffs wrote:


No way! Zerg has some of the strongest pushes because they have to sacrifice money and larva to do strong pushes! Doing that a lot and making a big push is like the epitome of an all-in haha.

On October 10 2012 06:37 TangSC wrote:

Everyone has a different opinion of how a race "should" be played, I don't really think there's a right or wrong answer! You can be successful with a wide range of styles/builds; I think part of the beauty of SC2 is this depth and variety.

On October 10 2012 10:21 shadogi wrote:


Out of curiosity, Tang, how do you feel this all in compares to the very similar roach bust that hits around 7:40? It seems to me that having the roaches allows for more use of your "expensive" units as opposed to just suiciding banelings.

On October 10 2012 23:39 TangSC wrote:

I'm not too familiar with the build actually, but I know when I do Roach/Ling timings the most dreaded scenario is my opponent gets his first Voidray out before I snipe the pylon powering the Stargate. I think that first Voidray is very likely completed by the time the Roaches arrive at 7:40. What has been your experience with that timing?

On October 11 2012 05:09 ian952 wrote:
What if your opponent force field the hole in his wall and then warps in more sentries for more force fields?

On October 11 2012 05:09 ian952 wrote:
What if your opponent force field the hole in his wall and then warps in more sentries for more force fields?

I'm not too familiar with the build actually, but I know when I do Roach/Ling timings the most dreaded scenario is my opponent gets his first Voidray out before I snipe the pylon powering the Stargate. I think that first Voidray is very likely completed by the time the Roaches arrive at 7:40. What has been your experience with that timing?

On October 11 2012 07:08 Oboeman wrote:


break the forge and any pylons in the wall. you can usually open up holes faster than he can warp in more sentries to fill them.
especially if you do roach/ling instead of baneling.



The void ray is never out fast enough to save his wall from the roaches, and once you are in his base, you kill everything with speedlings.

I went on a rampage on ladder doing the 3 hatch roach/ling build that shadogi is referring to. I'm masters on NA and this build carried me into top 8 of my division pretty easily. Here's 21 zvp games in a row, and I went 19-2. In my two losses I screwed up the build. One game I started the roach warren 30 seconds late and he barely held because I was late. In another game I forgot to start ling speed so I couldn't reinforce properly.

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it works just like the baneling bust - it is very hard to see it coming, and no one is ever prepared.

On October 17 2012 18:37 Maismz wrote:
Hey, tried this against a nexus first into forge, worked well, but against 1g expand how is this build doing ? THe toss will have some centry and bane doesn't do rly well against centry . . .

On October 18 2012 04:25 DinoMight wrote:
I got absolutely hosed by this the other day. Absolutely did not see it coming. Most Protosses (like me) scout the third base and automatically go into "awesome nothing is coming for another few minutes" mode. Then the banes hit...

As toss the way to scout this is just to get a probe into the main or stay really active on the map even after you scout the 3 rd going down.

On October 19 2012 00:52 Rasper wrote:


As someone who enjoys this build I'd recommend sending a zealot into the main, you be lucky to get a probe into the main especially with queen range these days! I don't see how else you scout this otherwise, even if you see the lings streaming across the map sometimes its too late to prepare already depending on your opening. I must say I've had a few protoss hold this off really well but still my win rate vs FFE is way too high

On January 22 2013 04:48 uNiQuEDK wrote:
I've been using this build and have had great success with it. Only a few times i have been worried about it because i realized he might have been able to hold with proper ff. This is only if he chooses to go 2+ sentries instead of stalkers/zealots for early harass. Then an idea occurred to me... if you poke his front and see he has sentries, what about sending a 7 minute overlord as a 'retard magnet' to draw the sentries in. I mean, its standard scout time anyways. Hopefully, as most players do he will send his sentries to buzz away at the overlord, and that could be your que to fly in with the banelings. Even if your not sure if hes building sentries, you could always fly that overlord in. I don't think it would cripple your reinforcements too much. Tell me what you think and great guide!