EPTAwesome guide tho man, I'll be learning this build order tomorrow. It's awesome and I totally want to try it on ladder.
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Kibbelz
United States31 Posts
Awesome guide tho man, I'll be learning this build order tomorrow. It's awesome and I totally want to try it on ladder. | ||
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jayaiwhy
Australia88 Posts
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
On April 23 2012 14:32 LazinCajun wrote: As a tournament / BOX build, I can see this having some value. As an exclusive ladder player, however, I just don't see doing something like this increasing my winrate compared to playing the standard roach/ling style unless I see the protoss being exceptionally greedy and / or walled retardedly. What are you thoughts? (Also, lol @ the BM from the replay with ILOVECHICKS) I've experienced a pretty nice winrate with this style, about 80%. Surely this will change eventually, but I think it's a deadly build in the current meta-game. | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
On April 23 2012 23:27 TangSC wrote: I've experienced a pretty nice winrate with this style, about 80%. Surely this will change eventually, but I think it's a deadly build in the current meta-game. Thanks for the build. Had great success with this since most toss these day skip the sentry and get a fast zealot or either tech when they scout your 3rd and natural. | ||
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
On April 23 2012 23:44 FakeDeath wrote: Thanks for the build. Had great success with this since most toss these day skip the sentry and get a fast zealot or either tech when they scout your 3rd and natural. Yeah the majority of protoss players will not stop scouting until they see you've taken 3 bases - they really have no reason not to scout, since probes can outrun slow lings. | ||
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FlyingToilet
United States840 Posts
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kmillz
United States1548 Posts
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Jermstuddog
United States2231 Posts
Find a move a pro makes, try to emulate it, then try to fit it into your style. Keep em comin! | ||
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
On April 24 2012 05:17 kmillz wrote: What are things to look for the Protoss doing that would make you want to abandon ship on this plan and transition into something different? This is a great question. The games that I've lost while using this style were my fault. I've accidently revealed my lings, botched the execution of the bust, allowed him to scout my main gas geyser, or some other mistake. The only scouting information I can think of that would convince me not to go for the bust is seeing that the first unit Protoss creates after the cyber core is a chrono-boosted sentry AND he built 3+ cannons despite scouting my 3rd base (Rare to see that many cannons against fast 3rd Zerg). | ||
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regulator_mk
United States127 Posts
On April 22 2012 18:33 Mahtasooma wrote: Also, dear Tang, could you elaborate on why you would attack that early? It's not like he has much more stuff at 8:00 or 8:30 than he would at 7:15 when scouting three bases. And it wouldn't be as much of an allin then? The advantage of hitting at 7:15 is that warpgate tech is not done... but he wouldn't have enough gates to profit from it at 8:00, either... only that probably a single Void could be out if he went 1stargate. He doesn't need that many gates to "profit". At 8:00, he should have warpgate and at least 4 gates, which will allow him to maintain constant forcefields to close the hole your banelings busted. At 7:15, he's stuck with the sentries that he built, which should run out of forcefields unless he chrono-boosted them out. | ||
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
On April 24 2012 08:19 regulator_mk wrote: He doesn't need that many gates to "profit". At 8:00, he should have warpgate and at least 4 gates, which will allow him to maintain constant forcefields to close the hole your banelings busted. At 7:15, he's stuck with the sentries that he built, which should run out of forcefields unless he chrono-boosted them out. That's my take on it too. There are protoss builds that constantly chrono-boost warpgate tech to get early 4gates, so hitting much later than 7:15 risks him being able to warp in additional Zealots/sentries. The 7:15 timing hits before WG and also usually before many sentries (if any at all, sometimes players skip them). | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
I've been trying it all day without success. The timing is very strict, if protoss gets any hint of what you're doing, like seeing a few too many lings, they will make sentries... a lot of damn sentries then you have nothing going for you. | ||
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Shottaz
United Kingdom414 Posts
On April 24 2012 11:13 neoghaleon55 wrote: I don't like this build. I've been trying it all day without success. The timing is very strict, if protoss gets any hint of what you're doing, like seeing a few too many lings, they will make sentries... a lot of damn sentries then you have nothing going for you. Looking at it from a Protoss view, the only tell is, like you say seeing the lings, or spotting a lack of drones and possibly early gas. The scouting probe(s) should be cleared up so in effect, the P player is seeing a standard 3rd hatch reaction to an FFE with serious droning about to occur. If the P player sees more than 2-6 lings, its an obvious all-in and should be prepared for as such. If he sees a pack of lings, he will forcefield and flex. | ||
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dynwar7
1983 Posts
Who is next in line for you to copy, Tang? Sen? DRG? Idra? User was warned for this post User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
On April 24 2012 17:54 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote: Here we go again. Who is next in line for you to copy, Tang? Sen? DRG? Idra? At least he is crediting the players who created / popularized the builds now and isn't just presenting builds that were literally figured out in the beta anymore. This isn't even close to as silly as the protoss players here who post +1 zealot timings into blink stalker all-ins and name them after themselves. | ||
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tuestresfat
2555 Posts
On April 24 2012 17:54 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote: Here we go again. Who is next in line for you to copy, Tang? Sen? DRG? Idra? What's really funny is I saw the name 'Don'tLoseSightOfIt' and knew it was going to be an immature, ignorant, and condesending comment. | ||
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
On April 24 2012 17:54 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote: Here we go again. Who is next in line for you to copy, Tang? Sen? DRG? Idra? I still do my own builds too, but Stephano's 11Min Maxout and DRG's Roach/Ling/Bane are in my sights. | ||
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Nomad123
95 Posts
Tang, stop making many accounts to bump up your all-in guides. User was warned for this post | ||
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