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findingthelimit
Hong Kong219 Posts
the second game, he had some reaper harass which killed around 5-6 of my scvs. when I push out, I don't establish enough dominance to secure a third, and eventually he pushed in and killed me. So my question is, against opponents who go early tanks, should I produce tanks or double medivacs when I push out? I feel like I should go medivacs, since my 1-2 tank will probably be less of a threat than his 2-3 tanks. However, with proper positioning I can never push in against a siege line. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On June 14 2012 19:25 findingthelimit wrote: hey, I've got a question! I finished watching all the series, aside from the scouting video. I've hit the benchmarks for all the videos, but I'm still constantly losing to one type of match-up: bionic tank TvTs. The first game I've lost, I was slightly late and decided to push in 10:30, only to find myself contained by 2 tanks, some marines, and 2 vikings. Eventually, obviously, i lost. the second game, he had some reaper harass which killed around 5-6 of my scvs. when I push out, I don't establish enough dominance to secure a third, and eventually he pushed in and killed me. So my question is, against opponents who go early tanks, should I produce tanks or double medivacs when I push out? I feel like I should go medivacs, since my 1-2 tank will probably be less of a threat than his 2-3 tanks. However, with proper positioning I can never push in against a siege line. Drop a mule in the opponent's Marine clump. Then use your medivacs to move-drop over the tanks. Now you have tanks and he/she doesn't. | ||
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Scootaloo SC2
United States122 Posts
Keep up all the good work with these videos and tutorials and such! They're immensely helpful and are actually getting me to play again. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On June 15 2012 19:11 Secret Agent Man wrote: Working through this right now, starting from the beginning. Currently I am a silver league Terran player. Outside of practice games I'm 3-3 with the marines-only build so far. Half of those I've been able to meet the 50 SCV benchmark! Seems, however, that if the other guy has sufficient banelings, tanks, or collossi (my three losses last night) the whole marine-only thing doesn't quite work! I look forward to building refineries and actually teching again, but first I must master the basic benchmarks! Keep up all the good work with these videos and tutorials and such! They're immensely helpful and are actually getting me to play again. If you can hit the bronze benchmarks in practice, go ahead and switch to the silver benchmark and get some tech. YOU MUST continue to hit the bronze benchmarks, however! | ||
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snotboogie
Australia3550 Posts
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habermas
United Kingdom304 Posts
* get CC after first marine and skip 3rd supply depot The reason for this is faster CC and faster gas -> faster tech. There's no reason for slightly faster 3 marines and by the time any poke may come you're going to have a bunker anyway. * get combat shield much faster I was surprised how fragile my army was at the 10 minutes push without it, especially against splash damage (siege tanks, banelings, colossus). Combat shield solves this problem. I even think it's better to delay +1 attack slightly for a faster combat shield. It's still possible to have both though. One way is to get tech-lab asap on one rax and leave the other two naked. Then research stim and combat shield asap. The other way is to get 2 tech-labs, 1 reactor and research stim and CS simultaneously. In both cases you should still be able to afford factory and +1 at normal timings because of faster gas. Thoughts? | ||
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LuckyLuke
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beat farm
United States478 Posts
i know i brainfarted and made a lot of mistakes that should have cost me to lose later on, but i don't see why any of them made me lose at the 8 minute mark. forgot tech labs and got my factory down late but i wouldn't have gotten medivacs out by the time i lost. the only thing that i see wrong was the tech lab ment i didn't have a marauder. I don't see how that would have made much of a difference. does his build just flat out beat this build regardless and i shouldn't worry about it? http://drop.sc/198658 | ||
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ShadowDrgn
United States2497 Posts
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Filter
Canada620 Posts
On June 16 2012 00:52 habermas wrote: After playing around with this build and watching some pro terrans I believe that it can be optimised in two ways: * get CC after first marine and skip 3rd supply depot The reason for this is faster CC and faster gas -> faster tech. There's no reason for slightly faster 3 marines and by the time any poke may come you're going to have a bunker anyway. * get combat shield much faster I was surprised how fragile my army was at the 10 minutes push without it, especially against splash damage (siege tanks, banelings, colossus). Combat shield solves this problem. I even think it's better to delay +1 attack slightly for a faster combat shield. It's still possible to have both though. One way is to get tech-lab asap on one rax and leave the other two naked. Then research stim and combat shield asap. The other way is to get 2 tech-labs, 1 reactor and research stim and CS simultaneously. In both cases you should still be able to afford factory and +1 at normal timings because of faster gas. Thoughts? One of the best ways to do it is to take the gas before you take your 2nd/3rd rax, then use the barracks naked except for the tech lab one. You can get combat shield extremely fast, still have stim in time and actually get medivacs faster. The tradeoff is it makes things a bit more complex, and you have to know when it's safe to get the addons for your barracks instead of getting them at an obviously safe time. | ||
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Scootaloo SC2
United States122 Posts
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Snoodles
401 Posts
http://blip.tv/day9tv/day-9-daily-257-newbie-tuesday-refining-mechanics-4760234 My new exercise is to do the same build, only I'm looking at my base as little as possible. I pull a scout and just focus on my scout until I max out. I move-command my scout, and go 4-5-6 to browse through my buildings. At first I thought it would be hard, but then I realized that all those notifications on the left side of the screen tell me everything that's going on. As long as I'm looking at my scout, the notifications naturally get my attention, whereas if I'm looking at my base they dont: Your marine is done, your SCV is done, your barracks is built, your refinery is done, etc. I literally never used those before. Now my screen looks like this: Click SCV scout, dance him around a bit. 4,5,6 Notification: your barracks is done Tap 5, build more marines I click my location hotkey, pick an SCV, tap build, tap depot, shift click back to mineral line. Double tap 1 to go back to my scout I know filter says not to scout, but if i just dance my scout around the bottom of his natural or whatever, I can see agression coming, and since it doesnt take me by surprise I can react to it and not stop building. A big problem before for example, was losing my bunker to a 4gate or roach rush because they hit faster than i could pull SCV from the mineral line to repair. | ||
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Lokishadow
United States71 Posts
I also mashed a couple of Golds :D -Loki | ||
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TranceKuja
United States154 Posts
On June 15 2012 19:11 Secret Agent Man wrote: Working through this right now, starting from the beginning. Currently I am a silver league Terran player. Outside of practice games I'm 3-3 with the marines-only build so far. Half of those I've been able to meet the 50 SCV benchmark! Seems, however, that if the other guy has sufficient banelings, tanks, or collossi (my three losses last night) the whole marine-only thing doesn't quite work! I look forward to building refineries and actually teching again, but first I must master the basic benchmarks! Keep up all the good work with these videos and tutorials and such! They're immensely helpful and are actually getting me to play again. His bronze build will lose to spash damage(banelings, tanks/hellions, collossi). You just want to make sure you're nailing the benchmarks and not worry if you lose. Just keep at it. | ||
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Miserie
Belgium92 Posts
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Gladiator MG
United States178 Posts
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Tritone
Japan76 Posts
Thank you, Filter! | ||
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RaClaw
Turkey114 Posts
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SideAffect
Canada30 Posts
It's a start anyways. dignitasApollo protoss tutorials on youtube. | ||
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mosfet
Canada34 Posts
As an aside, it's shocking how much of a difference good macro makes. With minimal micro, I've managed to beat some platinum level players with just un-upgraded marines. | ||
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