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Hi, another Silver Zerg player.
I am finding that I am genrally matched vs high silver or gold players who will consistantly block my expo with an engineering bay/pylon etc. I ususally get rid of it with drones/zerglings once they have appeared but this normally throws off the benchmarks timing by alot leading to either a weaker push out that gets defended or a slightly late pushout where the opponant has what they need to defend. The main things that seem to happen are the Terran player has mass tanks or the protoss player has lots of senties and I get perma forcefielded out. I normally try to take a 3rd and sometimes 4th and tech up leading to mixed results.
I would be interested to hear others experiances with this and how they work round it.
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so with this i can max out around 17 mins, is that good? i'm switching to t from z and i'm in plat and stumbled across this thread, i think i'm catching on ^^
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On June 12 2012 22:04 r0xxo wrote:
so with this i can max out around 17 mins, is that good? i'm switching to t from z and i'm in plat and stumbled across this thread, i think i'm catching on ^^
If i remember correctly i think 14 mins is what you should be aiming for. I think it says it in the platinum videos, i think filter also said something about hitting 14:30 mins is good because to hit the 14:00 mark with a 3rd expansion and lots of tech is pretty much impossible. Someone correct me if im wrong though  .
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@Pleks
I just get rid of the block with drone+zerglings and go on as usual.
Stay focused on hitting injects and not getting supply blocked.
Worked for pretty well for me.
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On June 12 2012 22:00 Pleks wrote:
Hi, another Silver Zerg player.
I am finding that I am genrally matched vs high silver or gold players who will consistantly block my expo with an engineering bay/pylon etc. I ususally get rid of it with drones/zerglings once they have appeared but this normally throws off the benchmarks timing by alot leading to either a weaker push out that gets defended or a slightly late pushout where the opponant has what they need to defend. The main things that seem to happen are the Terran player has mass tanks or the protoss player has lots of senties and I get perma forcefielded out. I normally try to take a 3rd and sometimes 4th and tech up leading to mixed results.
I would be interested to hear others experiances with this and how they work round it.
I've been wondering about this as well, usually it's just Protoss blocking with a Pylon and my lings are ready in time to deal with it - but it still throws off all my benchmarks... I've been focusing on just trying to keep hitting my injects and NOT get supply blocked. Even though the timings are now messed up, I find if I can hit ~60 drones before switching to roaches it still works out pretty well. I guess with everything being delayed it's just THAT much more important to not miss larvae and overlords
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On June 12 2012 22:04 r0xxo wrote:
so with this i can max out around 17 mins, is that good? i'm switching to t from z and i'm in plat and stumbled across this thread, i think i'm catching on ^^
For Zerg I think you should be aiming for closer to 13 minutes for Max... unless you're losing a lot of army when you attack, 17 minutes would suggest to me that you're still getting supply blocked frequently, or missing injects. ( I personally get supply blocked a lot when spamming roaches, still trying to get a feel for how many Overlords to make)
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Filter.......massive thanks!!! Just had my placement match for season 8 and im now into silver league!!! Because of the vids you've posted up they have helped me focus upon my macro and hopefully, i will continue to improve and maybe get promoted next season too!
Looking forward to further Zerg vids.
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Filter,
Just wanted to say thanks a million for this guide! It has helped my Terran play significantly and I wouldn't be where I am today without it!
On a separate note (and this is not meant at all to detract from your guide) I have found that after learning your macro style Terran, I was easily able to transition into Bomber's 5 rax TvP style. The build is almost identical to yours, but you alter just a couple timings and end up with a way earlier 3rd or 2 extra rax. In TvP Bomber doesn't usually push as early as your build, but the timings are very similar nonetheless. Initially, I switched over to his build to deal with the protoss that were roflstomping me, but in the end I am liking it just a bit better as far as the timings go. I feel like it makes everything happen just a tad bit sooner.
Day9 recently did a daily on it: http://day9.tv/d9d470/
TL already has a guide on it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340714
Anyway man, I'm just curious what your take on the build is and how you feel it relates to your style? =D
Thanks again, Simian
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On April 20 2012 23:51 tcsgamer wrote:
Filter,
I just subscribed to this forum just to say thanks for these videos.
I'm a Gold player (...I have no idea how that happened...) that has came back to the game. I've been looking for something like this for a while. I thought the Bronze benchmarks would be a piece pf cake, but getting 50 SCVs at 10 min is not as easy as it sounds for an old guy (39) like me. I finally got that benchmark up to 44 SCVs last night (..up from 32 when I started...), so...I can be taught apparently.
Keep up the great work.
you just made my day, as a 30yo I always had that "I'm old as fuck and don't belong here" feeling :D
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Ok, so I manage to hit these terran benchmarks pretty comfortably and yet I still get rolled by people at diamond+ level without effort. Here's an example game against zerg who goes 4 hatches and 80 drones before 10 minutes. I hit 50+ SCV's and get all the timings right, yet I lose miserably to nothing but lings spam. If zerg actually makes banelings that's even worse than that.
http://drop.sc/196923
I'd appreciate some comments on this game. I know my macro falls apart after 3rd base, but it's still better then zerg's floating 2k minerals and gas the whole game. Also I don't micro much, but according to Filter it's not necessary to beat diamond players.
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Oh haha, I just thought I'd mention, I was playing at MLG this weekend and tried (for giggles) my Filter-style PvT build against SlayerSClide....
it did not go well *grins* but it was fun, and Filter, you can now say that your guide inspired an MLG-used build!
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I finally managed to hit bronze terran benchmarks LOL, to celebrate I went to practice league and smote a zerg with my l33t macr0 skillz.
Okay, seriously now. I'm debating whether to work on bronze benchmarks a little more (I do think I had to do a supply drop one time) or start the silver build.
A friend told me that mass-marines doesn't work in bronze anymore, does anyone have any input on that?
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struggling so hard for the zerg benchmarks lol i was a dia zerg  . (cheesey though). im now gold and hitting people who camp to 200 themselfs and encamp 2 base or 3base and i tend to just downright die
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On June 14 2012 06:44 BronzeVirus wrote:
I finally managed to hit bronze terran benchmarks LOL, to celebrate I went to practice league and smote a zerg with my l33t macr0 skillz.
Okay, seriously now. I'm debating whether to work on bronze benchmarks a little more (I do think I had to do a supply drop one time) or start the silver build.
A friend told me that mass-marines doesn't work in bronze anymore, does anyone have any input on that?
Your friend doesn't know what he's talking about. The point of these tutorials isn't that mass marine is a viable composition, it's that good macro is better than bad macro no matter the composition. If you take two bronze of equally bad macro, mass marine is probably pretty bad. Maybe that is what he's thinking of.
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On June 14 2012 06:44 BronzeVirus wrote:
I finally managed to hit bronze terran benchmarks LOL, to celebrate I went to practice league and smote a zerg with my l33t macr0 skillz.
Okay, seriously now. I'm debating whether to work on bronze benchmarks a little more (I do think I had to do a supply drop one time) or start the silver build.
A friend told me that mass-marines doesn't work in bronze anymore, does anyone have any input on that?
Start the silver if you think you're ready for it, thats the first "Real" build that you can do.
I use the last shadow style tvp with a 6rax mass marine push off two bases (not all that different than the bronze build honestly) and I outright kill masters protoss with the initial push fairly often, I'd argue that mass marines is very viable 
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On June 14 2012 02:52 habermas wrote:Ok, so I manage to hit these terran benchmarks pretty comfortably and yet I still get rolled by people at diamond+ level without effort. Here's an example game against zerg who goes 4 hatches and 80 drones before 10 minutes. I hit 50+ SCV's and get all the timings right, yet I lose miserably to nothing but lings spam. If zerg actually makes banelings that's even worse than that. http://drop.sc/196923I'd appreciate some comments on this game. I know my macro falls apart after 3rd base, but it's still better then zerg's floating 2k minerals and gas the whole game. Also I don't micro much, but according to Filter it's not necessary to beat diamond players.
This 1rax cc is a safe, standard build. However, safe, standard builds lose to super greedy builds. You can't just let a zerg take a third before gas and a fourth at 7:00 and expect to win the game. You have to scout and be more active on the map against passive players like this guy or adjust your build on-the-fly to counter him. Your opponent played well against your build and you played poorly against his, therefore you got rolled.
1. Actually scout. It's nice to know if a zerg is going no gas Spanishiwa-style. If so, his ling speed is going to be so late that you have map control with your first few marines. Don't let him take a third uncontested, and if he's really committed to econ play, take your own third fast (like before factory).
2. If a zerg takes tons of bases and doesn't have mutas, abuse him with drops. Don't trade marines for zerglings either: when the lings show up, pick up and go micro another drop. This has a fairly low APM requirement for you and a fairly high one for your opponent. If you had hit his fourth with your second set of medivacs and not thrown away your initial army, you might have salvaged this game.
3. You really need tanks against banelings. Floating your factory as a scout like it's a TvP isn't such a great idea, although it was fine in this particular game. Not a good habit though.
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Yo Filter!
I'm a toss player, but i liked your terran guide so much that i had to buy another account to try it out. It works and i really like it!
I guess i dropped to say thanks, and i will be infinitely greatful if you do a toss guide!
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This hasn't happened to me yet, but what if someone is smart enough to do this at my level : The Terran 1 bases early siege tank. I cannot go out with my scvs because he sieges outside my base very slowly and uses his marines to see if i can get zoned inside my base. What do I do then? 99% of the time they just try to siege outside the bunker range. I would also like more tips if you have any against early tanks.
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On June 14 2012 18:06 Schaudenfraud wrote:
This hasn't happened to me yet, but what if someone is smart enough to do this at my level : The Terran 1 bases early siege tank. I cannot go out with my scvs because he sieges outside my base very slowly and uses his marines to see if i can get zoned inside my base. What do I do then? 99% of the time they just try to siege outside the bunker range. I would also like more tips if you have any against early tanks.
I have suffered to this on numerous occasions recently! Ive not managed to find an answer yet as Zerg. I just end up losing too much I can never recover!
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