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I think that as usual the truth of it is somewhere in the middle. For someone like me that is just getting into playing SC2 online we probably aren't going to have as smooth a go of it as filter or anyone else that started with more experience. Every time I see cheese it's a new experience for me. My biggest issue so far has been mirror matches where my opponent goes hard turtle or banshee, i.e., exactly what Garf said for the most part. On the other had the few Toss/Zerg matches I've played have been relatively easy. And in my limited experience the Toss players almost always try to cheese me, just as Garf said. Luckily they aren't very good at it for the most part. Zerg I've literally played 2 or 3 matches against, no real issues yet.
On the other if you you've been playing for a little while and have been following competitive SC2 for a little while I think filter's techniques are going to enable you to put that knowledge to work more effectively and having seen a lot of the cheese already and being conversant in popular strats you are going to have a better idea of what you are going to see. I don't see this as an either/or kind of thing.
That all said, filter's videos are far and away the best thing going for new SC2 players whether you breeze through bronze league or not. So much goodness in these videos it's almost unbelievable. I've pretty much stopped playing D3 almost entirely thanks to filter. 
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started to take a 3rd in silver league, still meeting all the silver league benchmarks and on 3 bases having a pretty straightforward time rolling people.
maxing on roaches by 12:30 at the latest and can quickly throw in mutas or corruptors because of all the extra gas i have lying around
won 4/5 ZvZs tonight, all of my ZvP games didn't play any terrans though
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Hoping these videos can give me some direction when I watch them later. Just picked this up today(well...yesterday now for me) and have done alright. 5-5 so far after going 0-5 in the placement matches and being placed into bronze. Still deciding between Protoss and Terran, tried Zerg but it is too much for me at the moment as I am a non-pc/non-rts gamer.
Thanks for making something like this.
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On June 05 2012 10:37 Blackknight232 wrote:
I'm just wondering if the 10 min push i do can be delay to include thors in tvp cause everytime i've used them it helps me deal extra dps instead of pushing with mmm
It can.. but you have to be careful not to dig too much into your other units to do it. It's easy to look at a build or playstyle and go ooooh, if I add this it'll be amazing. Once you start adding more and more stuff you have to take things away to do it and you end up being a lot more weak overall. It's easy to want ghosts @9 minutes, but have you ever tried it? it just doesn't work very well you need to get them reactively because they're so expensive. The same thing applies to tanks and thors, which is why I mainly avoid those units in the first 10 minutes of games.
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On June 05 2012 13:09 Frolossus wrote:
started to take a 3rd in silver league, still meeting all the silver league benchmarks and on 3 bases having a pretty straightforward time rolling people.
maxing on roaches by 12:30 at the latest and can quickly throw in mutas or corruptors because of all the extra gas i have lying around
won 4/5 ZvZs tonight, all of my ZvP games didn't play any terrans though
Good job! ^^
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Any EU zergs or terrans in bronze/silver that manages the silver benchmarks that want to practice against a bronze protoss?
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are the vids only terran mechanics?
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On June 05 2012 18:11 granas4life wrote:
are the vids only terran mechanics?
Zerg series is started. Check FilterSC on youtube.
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On June 05 2012 18:36 TheExodus wrote:Zerg series is started. Check FilterSC on youtube.
nice, thx, I subscribed to the channel.
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On June 05 2012 18:06 TheExodus wrote:
Any EU zergs or terrans in bronze/silver that manages the silver benchmarks that want to practice against a bronze protoss?
I'm a bronze Zerg, feel free to add me and il definately get some practice in! Bnet info is zoglug - 693
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have not read all the commets but will there be some benchmark material for protoss ??
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On June 05 2012 19:46 Vayeate wrote:
have not read all the commets but will there be some benchmark material for protoss ??
50+ probes and 100 supply by 10 minutes using a 1-gate FE. Haven't benchmarked my other builds yet.
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Filter, you are amazing you actually know what you are talking about, theese videos really helped me win so many games
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Main problem I have with applying Filter's stuff is that I get absolutely mauled by bad engagements. And often good engagements, because at Silver/Gold/low Plat players do inexplicable things like dropping SCVs/drones for lots of production. Essentially it's like playing against a drunk GM.
Also, a 111 or roach baneling bust will kill me, every time.
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On June 06 2012 00:12 Evangelist wrote:
Main problem I have with applying Filter's stuff is that I get absolutely mauled by bad engagements. And often good engagements, because at Silver/Gold/low Plat players do inexplicable things like dropping SCVs/drones for lots of production. Essentially it's like playing against a drunk GM.
Also, a 111 or roach baneling bust will kill me, every time.
Roach/bling is very easy to hold with a few sentries if you're protoss. If not, it's hard to produce enough sentries.
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FWIW, this thread makes for interesting reading if you're using filtersc's terran build:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=336621
"Get a second bunker (against Protoss), don't argue, just do it." A lot of Protoss will try to rush to a gateway all-in with possible immortals after seeing a 1 rax FE, and this is nearly impossible to hold with one bunker. Blindly getting a second bunker, and even a third if you don't see an expansion, can help deal with all-ins.
Against Zerg, bunkers are important, but you also need to wall-in to deal with potential roach/bane busts. On ladder players tend to play extremely reactively so you'll see a lot of all-ins against 1 rax FE. ...Also, a turret at your expansion is nice TvP to keep out hovering observers.
I wish I'd read it earlier - could have saved me quite some agony.
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I'm really enjoying your video's and know you've put a lot of time into them but they are mainly for the Terran race. It's not that hard to apply it to other races but it does not turn out perfect, I don't know if you could put some benchmarks for the two other races as well?
In essence what I'm asking is just to give a benchmark for the two other races, say for protoss at 10 minutes you want
x upgrades
x stalkers
x immortals
etc.
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For anyone interested you can hit the gold benchmarks with this build:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340714
It's bomber's build from yesterday's day9 daily. The only thing different is when you get the gas, if you do it right at ten minutes you'll have 50 SCV, stim, plus 1 attack, reactored starport w/medivacs, AND two extra barracks (for a total of 5 rax.), and you're ready to start your third and continue with the platinum benchmarks. It works out really well.
Here's my attempt at it, far from perfect.
http://drop.sc/192679
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On June 07 2012 03:00 Snoodles wrote:For anyone interested you can hit the gold benchmarks with this build: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340714It's bomber's build from yesterday's day9 daily. The only thing different is when you get the gas, if you do it right at ten minutes you'll have 50 SCV, stim, plus 1 attack, reactored starport w/medivacs, AND two extra barracks (for a total of 5 rax.), and you're ready to start your third and continue with the platinum benchmarks. It works out really well.
I saw that and really want to dig into that build myself, should be extremely easy to just change my gas timings. Anybody that can hit the gold benchmarks should be able toe easily use the bomber version day9 posted.
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If your idea of improvement is a-losing your entire army into siege tank lines/baneling groups every game until you hit the 200@14 consistently, fine. It looks like you can be up in master league before you get that nailed down, so I don't recommend anyone to take such a black and white attitude. (If you don't get it: filtersc misses the benchmarks in the videos)
Personally, I've been looking at my replays seeing how I could improve, and the original post contains the most important points I learned/experienced. I admit having a hard time hitting the benchmarks with a DT sitting among my SCVs or a few cannons sitting in my mineral line - you're telling me more macro practise will fix that?
I think you are becoming a master at hyperbole. 
I don't think Filter is claiming to ignore common sense, situational awareness, and ability if you have it... he is just restricting his play to de-emphasize elements that might not be as important in the early stage of the ladder as a teaching tool.
Have you benefited at all through the use of his benchmarks?
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