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vulturesrow
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3 Posts
June 05 2012 02:58 GMT
#661
I think that as usual the truth of it is somewhere in the middle. For someone like me that is just getting into playing SC2 online we probably aren't going to have as smooth a go of it as filter or anyone else that started with more experience. Every time I see cheese it's a new experience for me. My biggest issue so far has been mirror matches where my opponent goes hard turtle or banshee, i.e., exactly what Garf said for the most part. On the other had the few Toss/Zerg matches I've played have been relatively easy. And in my limited experience the Toss players almost always try to cheese me, just as Garf said. Luckily they aren't very good at it for the most part. Zerg I've literally played 2 or 3 matches against, no real issues yet.

On the other if you you've been playing for a little while and have been following competitive SC2 for a little while I think filter's techniques are going to enable you to put that knowledge to work more effectively and having seen a lot of the cheese already and being conversant in popular strats you are going to have a better idea of what you are going to see. I don't see this as an either/or kind of thing.

That all said, filter's videos are far and away the best thing going for new SC2 players whether you breeze through bronze league or not. So much goodness in these videos it's almost unbelievable. I've pretty much stopped playing D3 almost entirely thanks to filter.
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 04:15:48
June 05 2012 04:09 GMT
#662
started to take a 3rd in silver league, still meeting all the silver league benchmarks and on 3 bases having a pretty straightforward time rolling people.
maxing on roaches by 12:30 at the latest and can quickly throw in mutas or corruptors because of all the extra gas i have lying around

won 4/5 ZvZs tonight, all of my ZvP games didn't play any terrans though
Joker XL
Profile Joined June 2012
United States33 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 04:51:51
June 05 2012 04:34 GMT
#663
Hoping these videos can give me some direction when I watch them later. Just picked this up today(well...yesterday now for me) and have done alright. 5-5 so far after going 0-5 in the placement matches and being placed into bronze. Still deciding between Protoss and Terran, tried Zerg but it is too much for me at the moment as I am a non-pc/non-rts gamer.

Thanks for making something like this.
Filter
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada620 Posts
June 05 2012 05:38 GMT
#664
On June 05 2012 10:37 Blackknight232 wrote:
I'm just wondering if the 10 min push i do can be delay to include thors in tvp cause everytime i've used them it helps me deal extra dps instead of pushing with mmm


It can.. but you have to be careful not to dig too much into your other units to do it. It's easy to look at a build or playstyle and go ooooh, if I add this it'll be amazing. Once you start adding more and more stuff you have to take things away to do it and you end up being a lot more weak overall. It's easy to want ghosts @9 minutes, but have you ever tried it? it just doesn't work very well you need to get them reactively because they're so expensive. The same thing applies to tanks and thors, which is why I mainly avoid those units in the first 10 minutes of games.
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DawN883
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden558 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 06:32:12
June 05 2012 06:31 GMT
#665
On June 05 2012 13:09 Frolossus wrote:
started to take a 3rd in silver league, still meeting all the silver league benchmarks and on 3 bases having a pretty straightforward time rolling people.
maxing on roaches by 12:30 at the latest and can quickly throw in mutas or corruptors because of all the extra gas i have lying around

won 4/5 ZvZs tonight, all of my ZvP games didn't play any terrans though


Good job! ^^
If the dead are not raised, Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die
TheExodus
Profile Joined November 2011
293 Posts
June 05 2012 09:06 GMT
#666
Any EU zergs or terrans in bronze/silver that manages the silver benchmarks that want to practice against a bronze protoss?
granas4life
Profile Joined March 2012
Belgium8 Posts
June 05 2012 09:11 GMT
#667
are the vids only terran mechanics?
TheExodus
Profile Joined November 2011
293 Posts
June 05 2012 09:36 GMT
#668
On June 05 2012 18:11 granas4life wrote:
are the vids only terran mechanics?


Zerg series is started. Check FilterSC on youtube.
granas4life
Profile Joined March 2012
Belgium8 Posts
June 05 2012 09:55 GMT
#669
On June 05 2012 18:36 TheExodus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 18:11 granas4life wrote:
are the vids only terran mechanics?


Zerg series is started. Check FilterSC on youtube.


nice, thx, I subscribed to the channel.
zoglug
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United Kingdom56 Posts
June 05 2012 10:23 GMT
#670
On June 05 2012 18:06 TheExodus wrote:
Any EU zergs or terrans in bronze/silver that manages the silver benchmarks that want to practice against a bronze protoss?


I'm a bronze Zerg, feel free to add me and il definately get some practice in! Bnet info is zoglug - 693
You cant see where you are going......if you constantly look at where you have been
Vayeate
Profile Joined May 2010
Estonia4 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 10:46:50
June 05 2012 10:46 GMT
#671
have not read all the commets but will there be some benchmark material for protoss ??
TheExodus
Profile Joined November 2011
293 Posts
June 05 2012 11:05 GMT
#672
On June 05 2012 19:46 Vayeate wrote:
have not read all the commets but will there be some benchmark material for protoss ??


50+ probes and 100 supply by 10 minutes using a 1-gate FE. Haven't benchmarked my other builds yet.
Silmu
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland34 Posts
June 05 2012 11:46 GMT
#673
Filter, you are amazing you actually know what you are talking about, theese videos really helped me win so many games
Better to make a mistake and win than to not make a mistake and lose -PsY
Evangelist
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1246 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 15:14:21
June 05 2012 15:12 GMT
#674
Main problem I have with applying Filter's stuff is that I get absolutely mauled by bad engagements. And often good engagements, because at Silver/Gold/low Plat players do inexplicable things like dropping SCVs/drones for lots of production. Essentially it's like playing against a drunk GM.

Also, a 111 or roach baneling bust will kill me, every time.
TheExodus
Profile Joined November 2011
293 Posts
June 05 2012 16:49 GMT
#675
On June 06 2012 00:12 Evangelist wrote:
Main problem I have with applying Filter's stuff is that I get absolutely mauled by bad engagements. And often good engagements, because at Silver/Gold/low Plat players do inexplicable things like dropping SCVs/drones for lots of production. Essentially it's like playing against a drunk GM.

Also, a 111 or roach baneling bust will kill me, every time.


Roach/bling is very easy to hold with a few sentries if you're protoss. If not, it's hard to produce enough sentries.
Garf
Profile Joined June 2012
Belgium8 Posts
June 05 2012 18:25 GMT
#676
FWIW, this thread makes for interesting reading if you're using filtersc's terran build:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=336621


"Get a second bunker (against Protoss), don't argue, just do it." A lot of Protoss will try to rush to a gateway all-in with possible immortals after seeing a 1 rax FE, and this is nearly impossible to hold with one bunker. Blindly getting a second bunker, and even a third if you don't see an expansion, can help deal with all-ins.

Against Zerg, bunkers are important, but you also need to wall-in to deal with potential roach/bane busts. On ladder players tend to play extremely reactively so you'll see a lot of all-ins against 1 rax FE. ...Also, a turret at your expansion is nice TvP to keep out hovering observers.


I wish I'd read it earlier - could have saved me quite some agony.
Deleted User 218615
Profile Joined September 2011
163 Posts
June 06 2012 17:30 GMT
#677
I'm really enjoying your video's and know you've put a lot of time into them but they are mainly for the Terran race. It's not that hard to apply it to other races but it does not turn out perfect, I don't know if you could put some benchmarks for the two other races as well?

In essence what I'm asking is just to give a benchmark for the two other races, say for protoss at 10 minutes you want

x upgrades

x stalkers

x immortals

etc.
Snoodles
Profile Joined March 2012
401 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-06 22:21:42
June 06 2012 18:00 GMT
#678
For anyone interested you can hit the gold benchmarks with this build:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340714

It's bomber's build from yesterday's day9 daily. The only thing different is when you get the gas, if you do it right at ten minutes you'll have 50 SCV, stim, plus 1 attack, reactored starport w/medivacs, AND two extra barracks (for a total of 5 rax.), and you're ready to start your third and continue with the platinum benchmarks. It works out really well.

Here's my attempt at it, far from perfect.
http://drop.sc/192679
Filter
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada620 Posts
June 06 2012 18:17 GMT
#679
On June 07 2012 03:00 Snoodles wrote:
For anyone interested you can hit the gold benchmarks with this build:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340714

It's bomber's build from yesterday's day9 daily. The only thing different is when you get the gas, if you do it right at ten minutes you'll have 50 SCV, stim, plus 1 attack, reactored starport w/medivacs, AND two extra barracks (for a total of 5 rax.), and you're ready to start your third and continue with the platinum benchmarks. It works out really well.


I saw that and really want to dig into that build myself, should be extremely easy to just change my gas timings. Anybody that can hit the gold benchmarks should be able toe easily use the bomber version day9 posted.
Live hard, live free.
Allenansgar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States31 Posts
June 07 2012 05:35 GMT
#680
If your idea of improvement is a-losing your entire army into siege tank lines/baneling groups every game until you hit the 200@14 consistently, fine. It looks like you can be up in master league before you get that nailed down, so I don't recommend anyone to take such a black and white attitude. (If you don't get it: filtersc misses the benchmarks in the videos)

Personally, I've been looking at my replays seeing how I could improve, and the original post contains the most important points I learned/experienced. I admit having a hard time hitting the benchmarks with a DT sitting among my SCVs or a few cannons sitting in my mineral line - you're telling me more macro practise will fix that?


I think you are becoming a master at hyperbole.

I don't think Filter is claiming to ignore common sense, situational awareness, and ability if you have it... he is just restricting his play to de-emphasize elements that might not be as important in the early stage of the ladder as a teaching tool.

Have you benefited at all through the use of his benchmarks?




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