EPTI'm in Bronze facing mostly Silver opponents, my goal is to get to at least Gold which requires a rather high win percentage. I haven't been to the ladder much because I'm still missing benchmarks (just under 50 SCVs, forget e-bay or am late starting gas). I'm just wondering if I'm doing the right thing by practicing building groups only against the AI until I get it down each time, should I be testing it out against humans along the way?
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DonkTV
Iceland49 Posts
I'm in Bronze facing mostly Silver opponents, my goal is to get to at least Gold which requires a rather high win percentage. I haven't been to the ladder much because I'm still missing benchmarks (just under 50 SCVs, forget e-bay or am late starting gas). I'm just wondering if I'm doing the right thing by practicing building groups only against the AI until I get it down each time, should I be testing it out against humans along the way? | ||
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Coya
Germany6 Posts
BTW you might consider praciticing against very easy AI instead of very hard because deflecting the same push over and over again shouldnt be your goal, your goal is to get the benchmarks, if you can hit them you can go on the ladder and practice it there, with the random disruptions instead of the same push. But that is just my opinion. | ||
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Snoodles
401 Posts
On May 30 2012 22:39 DonkTV wrote: This was just what I need, benchmarks, being in bronze I've tried following other builds but they never or very lightly talk about the benchmarks. Been playing it against the Very Hard AI and win 9/10 games just because I have more stuff. I'm in Bronze facing mostly Silver opponents, my goal is to get to at least Gold which requires a rather high win percentage. I haven't been to the ladder much because I'm still missing benchmarks (just under 50 SCVs, forget e-bay or am late starting gas). I'm just wondering if I'm doing the right thing by practicing building groups only against the AI until I get it down each time, should I be testing it out against humans along the way? Well what you want to develop in starcraft is a "mental checklist." What people do is they carry on with their build, make SCV, put down buildings, etc, and for brief moments they watch what their scout is doing, or for a few seconds they micro, without losing any time on their build and not forgetting any worker or supply depot. Against easy AI you will only practice your build, but no multitasking. Play against stupid bronze league people, so that you can practice carrying on your build WHILE being attacked(in a shitty attack with few units, that will cause your opponent to forget to macro while he's attacking), or so that you can see just how far behind people in your league are. I literally A-moved out of bronze league. Bronze leaguers will try gimmicky builds like dark templar, banelings, or cloak banshee. If you watch the replay on their end youll see that it hits 2 minutes later than it should, and the whole time that theyre controlling the units theyre banking up over a thousand minerals, because they expect their gimmick to win the game. If you can hold that while doing this build you'll feel really confident in yourself. | ||
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MaryJoana
Germany156 Posts
On May 30 2012 22:39 DonkTV wrote: This was just what I need, benchmarks, being in bronze I've tried following other builds but they never or very lightly talk about the benchmarks. Been playing it against the Very Hard AI and win 9/10 games just because I have more stuff. I'm in Bronze facing mostly Silver opponents, my goal is to get to at least Gold which requires a rather high win percentage. I haven't been to the ladder much because I'm still missing benchmarks (just under 50 SCVs, forget e-bay or am late starting gas). I'm just wondering if I'm doing the right thing by practicing building groups only against the AI until I get it down each time, should I be testing it out against humans along the way? Which benchmark are you playing? Judging by the "forget e-bay or am late starting gas" you do something other than bronue league benchmarks. You don't need anything but the bronze league benchmarks in order to get out of bronze. Hence the name. You can literally a-move your way out of it with pure naked-rax marine production off of 2-bases. | ||
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DonkTV
Iceland49 Posts
On May 31 2012 01:00 MaryJoana wrote: Which benchmark are you playing? Judging by the "forget e-bay or am late starting gas" you do something other than bronue league benchmarks. You don't need anything but the bronze league benchmarks in order to get out of bronze. Hence the name. You can literally a-move your way out of it with pure naked-rax marine production off of 2-bases. I'm going for the benchmarks in episode five about tech and timing, both because I'm confident I can reach them and I'm aiming for a spot in Gold at least. (I've been in Silver before, placed Plat on my NA account [granted that was months ago], and Gold for 2v2). I'm playing against Very Hard AI because I want some harassment during my build so it won't go to shit when I hit the ladder. The reason I'm saving the ladder is I really don't have the time for the 1-2 hour ladder sessions because of family. When playing AI it's no problem pausing the game and get up for 2-3 minutes. I want to make it count when I ladder Just wondering if playing the AI like that has any downsides I should be aware of. | ||
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MaryJoana
Germany156 Posts
Edit: Also, the Very Hard AI is way superior to your average Bronze and probably even Silver Leaguer. | ||
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Kronen
United States732 Posts
I don't tweet except to follow esports figures, was it announced there? | ||
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Coya
Germany6 Posts
Edit its uploaded now! | ||
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Filter
Canada620 Posts
 . I don't often post if I update a video here, but with the long break figured I'd let people know it's up if they only check this thread. | ||
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SeventhSword
United States31 Posts
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Schaudenfraud
United States38 Posts
BTW i am out of bronze and now in silver thanks to your guide filter! | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On May 31 2012 21:33 Schaudenfraud wrote: How do you deal with early seige tank? that stuff has been rocking me a min or two after my bunker goes down. QQ BTW i am out of bronze and now in silver thanks to your guide filter! if you have medivacs, load a few marines and drop them directly on top of the tanks | ||
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NoZyneighbor
Canada77 Posts
On June 01 2012 03:48 Frolossus wrote: if you have medivacs, load a few marines and drop them directly on top of the tanks If he is talking about 1 base early tanks you should not be able to have medivacs out by the time it hits, you need to hit him before you sieges your natural, if you control the watch tower and see the push coming, take a handful of scvs and bum rush the guy before he sieges and you will crush his force most of the time, you won't need to worry about losing the scvs as you are ahead in bases and will be able to remake the scvs you lost | ||
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vulturesrow
United States3 Posts
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Filter
Canada620 Posts
On June 01 2012 05:16 vulturesrow wrote: A related question: Lets say you are only doing the bronze benchmarks (so nothing but marines when you push at 10:00) and you encounter a Terran turtling hard? I _Almost_ was able to break it by throwing waves of marines at it but it didnt quite work out. Guess I shouldve just bitten the bullet and made some other units. This has happened a couple times. The bronze build is just an extreme example of how important macro really is, once you feel comfortable pulling it off jump to the silver level build regardless of league. The silver one is where you really start to play Starcraft. | ||
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beat farm
United States478 Posts
edit-i followed that first win up with a second consecutive win. although im not hitting the bench marks second edit-up to 5 wins following this guide. | ||
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fatty77
United States41 Posts
:p Here's the link: | ||
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Snoodles
401 Posts
http://i.imgur.com/bMOia.jpg http://i.imgur.com/dnK0M.jpg Before this I had gotten out of bronze with a similar a-move build found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315507 so I was already familiar with the theory, but the guy never followed up or posted again, and I hadn't quite realized the power of expanding first over attacking early. | ||
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vulturesrow
United States3 Posts
On June 01 2012 05:25 Filter wrote: The bronze build is just an extreme example of how important macro really is, once you feel comfortable pulling it off jump to the silver level build regardless of league. The silver one is where you really start to play Starcraft. I thought that might be what you said actually. Thanks for all the hard work on this series. It is a godsend for a noob like me. | ||
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nick_ashwell
United Kingdom1 Post
Thanks for taking to time to produce such an excellent guide on fundamentals of game play. I have only got as far as obtaining the metrics for episode 4 so far. However these days, I have been playing since the games launch, I am finding the ladder system is not working very well. I have played against bronze league players who are better than some of the gold league players that I have played against. Not sure why this is the case, I play on the european servers so perhaps it is different on the US servers. Do you or anyone else reading this experience the same problems? Once again thanks for your excellent guide it has certainly improved my play but so far I am just not seeing any rewards for all my hard work  Nick | ||
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