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@Kaitokid : thanks. Hm, Usually you should be able to scout it by hiding your scv somewhere and scouting again around 35 supply (to see these later expo)
@Aren : thanks. These things will be said in the VOD (i will do the first on sunday i guess).
Yes,i do have the patience to do it. Because i prefer to do 30+minutes games where i'm sure to win as long as i play perfectly, than 15 minutes game where i can play perfectly and still by roflstomped by a protoss A move
@Heyjude : If i'm doing a 111 expo or my new 1 rax reactor expo , my banshee can sometimes be here before 8 minutes. he does have . . 2 sentry to defend it. And at least , even if i don't get too much probes's kill , i can at least roam on the map, killing pylons, probes, units at xel'naga, deying 3rd, forcing units and obs to stay at home,etc. Even if they don't get any kills, they allows me to have some time to set up my midgame. And it's normal that he outplayed me,as i said i basically gave up when i saw my stupid build fail , knowing i couldn't win any midgame fight in that situation. In fact this is one of my personal problem : as soon as i realise i failed in something, i'm going into "loosing mindset" . . and even if i'm able to limit it to big fails . well, being unable to exploit the core of my strategy is REALLY a big fail. I mean, it's like a zerg who wants to baneling bust somebody , makes a billion of lings . . and realise he built a roaches warren
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France12790 Posts
Does anyone have TvP mech replays with mech timing attacks?
I used to do weird mech builds in TvP, with marines / thor / banshees / tanks / hellions (yeah that's a lot of units =D) attacking at weird timings but I don't think I have the replays anymore 
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On March 24 2012 05:21 Poopi wrote:Does anyone have TvP mech replays with mech timing attacks? I used to do weird mech builds in TvP, with marines / thor / banshees / tanks / hellions (yeah that's a lot of units =D) attacking at weird timings but I don't think I have the replays anymore
you can watch Jakjji or supernova or startale_virus with some crazy marine thor hellion banshee all in.
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France12790 Posts
On March 24 2012 05:23 nOondn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 05:21 Poopi wrote:Does anyone have TvP mech replays with mech timing attacks? I used to do weird mech builds in TvP, with marines / thor / banshees / tanks / hellions (yeah that's a lot of units =D) attacking at weird timings but I don't think I have the replays anymore you can watch Jakjji or supernova or startale_virus with some crazy marine thor hellion banshee all in.
I'm not really looking for all-ins, just timing attacks, not necessarily to end the game
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On March 24 2012 05:16 Lyyna wrote:
At which supply do you plant down the nexus with that build?
You can plant it down when the first stalker is like half done, but scout would see it, so just immediatly after killing scouting probe or confirming nat is clear with stalker. Not sure if chrono'd stalker or not, its like a 6 month old opener but it is still around a game here and there i think
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On March 24 2012 05:25 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 05:23 nOondn wrote:On March 24 2012 05:21 Poopi wrote:Does anyone have TvP mech replays with mech timing attacks? I used to do weird mech builds in TvP, with marines / thor / banshees / tanks / hellions (yeah that's a lot of units =D) attacking at weird timings but I don't think I have the replays anymore you can watch Jakjji or supernova or startale_virus with some crazy marine thor hellion banshee all in. I'm not really looking for all-ins, just timing attacks, not necessarily to end the game
apologize my bad .
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On March 24 2012 05:25 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 05:16 Lyyna wrote:
At which supply do you plant down the nexus with that build? You can plant it down when the first stalker is like half done, but scout would see it, so just immediatly after killing scouting probe or confirming nat is clear with stalker. Not sure if chrono'd stalker or not, its like a 6 month old opener but it is still around a game here and there i think
Theres no reason to get a 2nd gas if you plant down the Nexus when the stalker is half done, because you can get a sentry after the stalker anyway even with 1 gas when you don't chrono the Stalker. And if you do decide to chrono theres no way to have 400 minerals for a Nexus when the stalker is half done and you took 2 gas. So something must be wrong in your statement.
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Actually I just got meched, and I cried. But honestly I think I just lost because I hadn't faced a mech build in like three thousand games. It was like "whoa hellions in my mineral line, i didnt even know he was making any". But I loved this guide nonetheless, and I always love to see players innovating. +1!!!
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Romania2620 Posts
On March 24 2012 05:21 Poopi wrote:Does anyone have TvP mech replays with mech timing attacks? I used to do weird mech builds in TvP, with marines / thor / banshees / tanks / hellions (yeah that's a lot of units =D) attacking at weird timings but I don't think I have the replays anymore
http://www.sc2replays.eu/show-replay-14693-0-ogsmc_p_-vs-marineking_t.html
Also the GSL game of MKP vs Genius.
Great work on the guide OP. Hope you will find some timings depending on what the P is doing. IMO that's the key to making mech "legit".
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One of my replay on tal darim
http://drop.sc/140849 (tvp lyyna build)
The protoss tried blinkstalker and feedback to kill my BC, but i had tank !
My philosophy is not to never attack like lyyna but to stop protoss to take more than 4 base.
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(Just wanna say . . . it's ok to use this post to share some good replays of TvP mech, but this is "Lyyna's guide for TvP mech", not "a special place created by Lyyna to share TvP mech replays"  )
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Why don't you release the guide when it's finished?
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Because it needs critics to be improved ? This guide is already very complete, but it still can be better.
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On March 24 2012 06:18 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Why don't you release the guide when it's finished?
It's way better to work on it "live" and add stuff as new things pop up then make 1 guide that get it's 5 pages and then it's forgotten forever.
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It's pretty inexcusable not to include replays when you release a 'guide', but whatever floats your boat I guess.
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Everlong and faust explained it right. Allows me to get critics (this is in fact the first time i do try to explain my whole play and mindset), to get visibility by updating it often
edit : dafuq? there is replays . . . Read the totality of the guide before saying this .
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On March 24 2012 06:28 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
It's pretty inexcusable not to include replays when you release a 'guide', but whatever floats your boat I guess.
Wow, way to read thoroughly, Captain Observant.
You can find the replays right under the part where he says
It's a link... when you click it magical things happen.
Thank you for your contribution to this post.
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On March 24 2012 05:11 nOondn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 04:41 crocodile wrote:On March 24 2012 04:36 nOondn wrote:On March 24 2012 04:26 crocodile wrote:On March 24 2012 04:00 nOondn wrote:On March 24 2012 03:25 crocodile wrote:On March 24 2012 03:06 TangSC wrote:
I really feel like mech was severely weakened (against protoss) since the blue flame hellion nerf.
Then protoss received a buff making their upgrades more effective, a huge bonus for zealots in PvT, I felt like that was the straw that broke the camel's back. Even Goody, who's known specifically for using mech in every matchup, mentioned that he was struggling to beat protoss since those patches.
Do you think it's a viable option at the top levels? Yes, I just don't think it's being played right. Here are some of my replays from the other mech tvp thread, which I was told were of higher quality than Lyyna's. I actually got most of my ideas on how to play mech from Yoshi Kirishima's stream though, so it might be a slightly different style. Still master league opponents though. http://drop.sc/140222http://drop.sc/140223http://drop.sc/140224http://drop.sc/140225 i think lyynna replay has better quality than you,in term of opponents. Ah, good point. Really great post man, I especially liked the parts where you constructively critiqued my play while explaining the flaws in my opponents' play that made them inferior to those of Lyyna, instead of just posting your unsupported opinion and making yourself look like a fucking idiot. game 1 @ protoss macro fucking bad ... 20+ min with 3/0 upgrade and 1500/1500 money/gas ... Did you only watch game 1? Game 1 was the weakest opponent out of all the replays. Game 4 and game 3 are much higher quality. Plus it was still a master league opponent. Better than 98% of protosses by rank game 1 @ protoss macro fucking bad ... 20+ min with 3/0 upgrade and 1500/1500 money/gas ... Game 2 @ standard bad protoss who scout and saw gas and still expand into 4 gate ,so basicly he far behind in term of tech.His macro very poor too @ 19 min he got +1 armour with 1600 gas ... wtf ? Game 3 (Nap) @ protoss is stupid @ first battle . eventhough he saw 3 factory,he still attacking without seeing your army composition.So at this point protoss fucking far behind. he can do better than that such as sit infront of your base while sending his unit @ your 3rd (he doesn't even know that you got 3rd ) Game 4 (potato) @ yet again protoss scout and saw your gas but he going into 4 gate into 3 base so at this point with his delay tech your banshee can do so much damage than normal.And his macro so poor, @ 21 min he only got 2/2 with 1000+ gas save up . so basicly, all of your opponents was so bad bad bad bad . .. . . -_-
The Protosses in Lyyna's games did these same things... If your point is that even in Master league, most Protosses suck, then I'd agree with you. If you don't think the games are better than Lyyna's, that's fine because I never said they were. If you have something productive to add, I'd encourage you to do so.
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On March 24 2012 14:46 crocodile wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 05:11 nOondn wrote:On March 24 2012 04:41 crocodile wrote:On March 24 2012 04:36 nOondn wrote:On March 24 2012 04:26 crocodile wrote:On March 24 2012 04:00 nOondn wrote:On March 24 2012 03:25 crocodile wrote:On March 24 2012 03:06 TangSC wrote:
I really feel like mech was severely weakened (against protoss) since the blue flame hellion nerf.
Then protoss received a buff making their upgrades more effective, a huge bonus for zealots in PvT, I felt like that was the straw that broke the camel's back. Even Goody, who's known specifically for using mech in every matchup, mentioned that he was struggling to beat protoss since those patches.
Do you think it's a viable option at the top levels? Yes, I just don't think it's being played right. Here are some of my replays from the other mech tvp thread, which I was told were of higher quality than Lyyna's. I actually got most of my ideas on how to play mech from Yoshi Kirishima's stream though, so it might be a slightly different style. Still master league opponents though. http://drop.sc/140222http://drop.sc/140223http://drop.sc/140224http://drop.sc/140225 i think lyynna replay has better quality than you,in term of opponents. Ah, good point. Really great post man, I especially liked the parts where you constructively critiqued my play while explaining the flaws in my opponents' play that made them inferior to those of Lyyna, instead of just posting your unsupported opinion and making yourself look like a fucking idiot. game 1 @ protoss macro fucking bad ... 20+ min with 3/0 upgrade and 1500/1500 money/gas ... Did you only watch game 1? Game 1 was the weakest opponent out of all the replays. Game 4 and game 3 are much higher quality. Plus it was still a master league opponent. Better than 98% of protosses by rank game 1 @ protoss macro fucking bad ... 20+ min with 3/0 upgrade and 1500/1500 money/gas ... Game 2 @ standard bad protoss who scout and saw gas and still expand into 4 gate ,so basicly he far behind in term of tech.His macro very poor too @ 19 min he got +1 armour with 1600 gas ... wtf ? Game 3 (Nap) @ protoss is stupid @ first battle . eventhough he saw 3 factory,he still attacking without seeing your army composition.So at this point protoss fucking far behind. he can do better than that such as sit infront of your base while sending his unit @ your 3rd (he doesn't even know that you got 3rd ) Game 4 (potato) @ yet again protoss scout and saw your gas but he going into 4 gate into 3 base so at this point with his delay tech your banshee can do so much damage than normal.And his macro so poor, @ 21 min he only got 2/2 with 1000+ gas save up . so basicly, all of your opponents was so bad bad bad bad . .. . . -_- The Protosses in Lyyna's games did these same things... If your point is that even in Master league, most Protosses suck, then I'd agree with you. If you don't think the games are better than Lyyna's, that's fine because I never said they were. If you have something productive to add, I'd encourage you to do so.
My bad sorry -_-
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