EPT[G] Lyyna’s TvP : How to mech every protoss cry - Page 3
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crocodile
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HeyJude
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cactusjack914
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Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
On March 24 2012 03:29 Breach_hu wrote: http://cupapp.com/hu/replay/view/424/1v1-Entombed_Valley-nfteamBreach-EEvEE some mech TvP action by me (EU GM Terran) i can upload some other games aswell, because im trying to play mech myself too. enjoy~ Awesome game, it's cool to see how it works even in GM, if you could upload more games, that would be totally cool.. Nice crisp build order and execution, very nice game.. | ||
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Lyyna
France776 Posts
@Mosfet 1)A few vikings are ok, but i still prefer banshee. Basically if he's massing colossus, he's cutting his air, so i suggest to go earlier for BC (i'll add that in the questions section, good one) 2)I never EMP my units, as i said earlier, to force feedbacks, because storms can be a bit painful due to the fact i got some air in my army 3) Yes,with HSM. and turrets are nice too @Heyjude : Yes, most of my protoss opponents are really awful. This is something that desesperate me because i play really good Z and T, but most toss are here because . . well,they're toss (without offense, i've to say that for me, protoss is a race that allows you to go high in the ladder brainlessly. Scary to face Dimaga or Kas in a game,and then run into a protoss which is on 2 bases with 1/1 uppgrades at 20 min . . with 0 harass from my side) . There is however really good replays of protoss showing heavy harass. Your main concern seems to be blink pressure, and it was mine of my biggest too. But on 2 bases, basically,a stalker pressure can't hit before i get thors, except if he commits a lot to this. So basically you're going to run into -Big marine army (reactor rax,remember) -+1 armor thor with mass repair (you're in my base so ...) -I always get a raven early -Cloakshee (so i can just snipe obs with thors) And that's also the goal of going cloaked banshee : Are you going to take all your stalkers and leave your base to harass,when you know there is at least 2 banshees on the map, already poking in your bases? There is also some mind games involved, as i want to protoss to think he can't leave to attack. That's the point of these nice air maidens. @KAmaKAsa: I don't 'mass' banshees. But having like 4-8 helps a lot,as their damage are already really high, and cloak makes them 'invincible' as long as i snipe obs @TangSC : as i said in my guide, Goody's mech was relying a lot's on BFH and he wasn't making ghosts . . so immortal buff and BFH nerf killed it  Yes , i honestly think pro can do something with mech. But the fact is that pro are usually the people who are the least going to try to be original, they prefer to stay on standard strats @Telsh : they all say that when they spot my factories,armories and thors. And usually, they're insulting me of 'imba terran noob' 20 minutes later. | ||
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nOondn
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On March 24 2012 03:25 crocodile wrote: Yes, I just don't think it's being played right. Here are some of my replays from the other mech tvp thread, which I was told were of higher quality than Lyyna's. I actually got most of my ideas on how to play mech from Yoshi Kirishima's stream though, so it might be a slightly different style. Still master league opponents though. http://drop.sc/140222 http://drop.sc/140223 http://drop.sc/140224 http://drop.sc/140225 i think lyynna replay has better quality than you,in term of opponents. | ||
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HeyJude
United States157 Posts
On March 24 2012 03:55 Lyyna wrote: @Heyjude : Yes, most of my protoss opponents are really awful. This is something that desesperate me because i play really good Z and T, but most toss are here because . . well,they're toss (without offense, i've to say that for me, protoss is a race that allows you to go high in the ladder brainlessly. Scary to face Dimaga or Kas in a game,and then run into a protoss which is on 2 bases with 1/1 uppgrades at 20 min . . with 0 harass from my side) . There is however really good replays of protoss showing heavy harass. Your main concern seems to be blink pressure, and it was mine of my biggest too. But on 2 bases, basically,a stalker pressure can't hit before i get thors, except if he commits a lot to this. So basically you're going to run into -Big marine army (reactor rax,remember) -+1 armor thor with mass repair (you're in my base so ...) -I always get a raven early -Cloakshee (so i can just snipe obs with thors) And that's also the goal of going cloaked banshee : Are you going to take all your stalkers and leave your base to harass,when you know there is at least 2 banshees on the map, already poking in your bases? There is also some mind games involved, as i want to protoss to think he can't leave to attack. That's the point of these nice air maidens. If he's harassing your front you'll probably use your first banshee defensively. That first banshee seems to usually do a lot of damage to your opponent so if they see it while at your base rather than at their mineral line it would really weaken its harass value and prepare the toss. Am I the only toss who chronos out first first 2-3 stalkers to harass the front? Unless I see a marauder with conc shell there's no reason for my stalker(s) to leave your entrance. Btw, my usual build is 1gate->cyber->chrono stalker/warp->expand->robo->gate I'm not really sure why a toss wouldn't get the early robo unless you're planning on pushing real early off one base. | ||
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Lyyna
France776 Posts
And well, usually if a blink pressure come,my 1st banshee will already be near the protoss base . So he has to chrono another obs, warping banshees at home ,while still having half of the map between his 'push' and my base. And the current metagame makes 4 gate follow-up really common. Remember that you see only marines until the 1st banshee start to poke,except if i 111 expo, so you don't know if i'm going to bio when you choose your follow-up. And even after u choose to do a robo tech for example . . you need to get that obs to my base to see i'm going mech | ||
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Gyro_SC2
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Severus_
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On March 24 2012 03:29 Breach_hu wrote: http://cupapp.com/hu/replay/view/424/1v1-Entombed_Valley-nfteamBreach-EEvEE some mech TvP action by me (EU GM Terran) i can upload some other games aswell, because im trying to play mech myself too. enjoy~ Beast game upload more. Very well played. | ||
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HeyJude
United States157 Posts
On March 24 2012 04:14 Lyyna wrote: you're not the only one doing it, but that's the point of early bunker,and well placed first marines And well, usually if a blink pressure come,my 1st banshee will already be near the protoss base . So he has to chrono another obs, warping banshees at home ,while still having half of the map between his 'push' and my base. And the current metagame makes 4 gate follow-up really common. Remember that you see only marines until the 1st banshee start to poke,except if i 111 expo, so you don't know if i'm going to bio when you choose your follow-up. And even after u choose to do a robo tech for example . . you need to get that obs to my base to see i'm going mech As I said I really feel the toss players in the replay pack I watched were less than great :/ I've played against a similar strat a couple times and crushed it, but I also countered/scouted. Is there replays of you losing? We all know there's no one-build-fits-all strat so I'm sure there's counters besides the stalker/blink stalker I mentioned. | ||
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Fyrewolf
United States1533 Posts
"“When do you push?” ? Ahahah, good joke. The answer is simple : NEVER." | ||
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crocodile
United States615 Posts
On March 24 2012 04:00 nOondn wrote: i think lyynna replay has better quality than you,in term of opponents. Ah, good point. Really great post man, I especially liked the parts where you constructively critiqued my play while explaining the flaws in my opponents' play that made them inferior to those of Lyyna, instead of just posting your unsupported opinion and making yourself look like a fucking idiot. | ||
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Sergio1992
Italy522 Posts
On March 24 2012 03:53 Everlong wrote: Awesome game, it's cool to see how it works even in GM, if you could upload more games, that would be totally cool.. Nice crisp build order and execution, very nice game.. how to download that replay? | ||
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Lyyna
France776 Posts
On March 24 2012 04:26 HeyJude wrote: As I said I really feel the toss players in the replay pack I watched were less than great :/ I've played against a similar strat a couple times and crushed it, but I also countered/scouted. Is there replays of you losing? We all know there's no one-build-fits-all strat so I'm sure there's counters besides the stalker/blink stalker I mentioned. Well,there is good and bad toss. But protoss's skill level , even here in high master/Low GM is kinda awful. So you have to dig a bit to find good rep' :/ I'll start to add replays of me loosing if i think they are interesting. But for example my 2 lasts loss with this build was because, in one case, i got supply blocked for like 2 minutes early game (note to myself : never play again at 3am with only 4 hours sleep last night) for one, and because i forgot siege mode in the other. . . . | ||
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nOondn
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On March 24 2012 04:26 crocodile wrote: Ah, good point. Really great post man, I especially liked the parts where you constructively critiqued my play while explaining the flaws in my opponents' play that made them inferior to those of Lyyna, instead of just posting your unsupported opinion and making yourself look like a fucking idiot. game 1 @ protoss macro fucking bad ... 20+ min with 3/0 upgrade and 1500/1500 money/gas ... | ||
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Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
Click on "Replay letöltés" under the replay description.. :DD Ye, I had some problems too lol.. | ||
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Norseman
United States223 Posts
Click on the red 'Replay letöltés' under the main portion. EDIT: Or, better yet, just click HERE! | ||
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crocodile
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crocodile
United States615 Posts
On March 24 2012 04:36 nOondn wrote: game 1 @ protoss macro fucking bad ... 20+ min with 3/0 upgrade and 1500/1500 money/gas ... Did you only watch game 1? Game 1 was the weakest opponent out of all the replays. Game 4 and game 3 are much higher quality. Plus it was still a master league opponent. Better than 98% of protosses by rank | ||
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