wait wait wait... half of the Terran community complains that they can't play such styles while Zerg and Protoss get to play them all of the time; now someone posts such a strategy for TvP (TvZ turtlemech threads exist as well) and you complain that it is not fun enough for you? Well then don't play it (and don't play any other race) and shut up.
Who peed in your corn flakes?
TvP mech is not fun because it doesn't work... I exclusively go mech in TvZ and TvT though and do pretty well
You say mech TvP doesn't work, ok So basically,asnwer to that my dear 1) What's your experience with TvP mech (number of games ? level? Some replays as well?) 2) What are your arguments to say mech doesn't work vP ? You're only doing troll-like bashing actually
@XquisiteWretch : you don't like this strategy ? then you can just go away,except if you have some solids arguments to bash it like you're doing And also, it's funnier for me to turtle until you're unbeatable rather than playing perfectly, pushing,and getting wreck in one A move from the toss. I do believe that too much people are in that sad mentality of "Every step of your strat HAS to lead to some kind of push". Come on, we're on a game that allows an huge number of strategy
People have already given you a wealth of reasons mech does not work, youre just ignoring them...
There are so many counters to mech in TvP so I will just name a few...
Immortals hard counter tanks AND thors without perfect ghost micro, which is even harder now (post nerf), Void Rays and Carriers dump all over mech, Blink stalkers make tanks ineffective, as well as make your slow thor army basically worhtless as they can just blink into your base and wreck havoc, chargelots wreck tanks and thors, as well as cause friendly fire splash... should I go on?
Seriously dude . . leave this thread please. You're doing like everyone bashing on mech, just saying random things without anything to back up . It's totally ok for me to discuss with somebody who have played mech TvP in a serious way, tried differents strategies and openers, in a few words, somebody who know what he's talking about, but not with a troll like you I can provide one and an half year of TvP mech experience and replays, ranging from low master for the oldest, to high GM/Master now, You're just providing some random facts on supposed mech weakness. Most of them having already being dealt with by a lot of mech playstyles, others dealt by my own play ,and some others . .well, every strat does have weakness,and that's why skill and experience are important
supposed mech weakness? its not "supposed" its fact... the king of mech "Goody" quit mech a long time ago, saying it is ineffective against protoss, so if you dont want to hear it from me, fine... just know that I am not pissing on your back and telling you its raining, I am telling you the truth
Then prove these "Facts". Most of them aren't even true. Then explain why my replays shows that these facts can be dealt with. Then read my whole guide,as i talk about why goody quitted mech, then anwer to my question about your vP mech experience. Then explan how can i win vs high master/GM level protoss if mech is that bad, even versus players who know me and know i'll be meching?
On March 25 2012 03:09 Lyyna wrote: Then prove these "Facts". Most of them aren't even true. Then explain why my replays shows that these facts can be dealt with. Then read my whole guide,as i talk about why goody quitted mech, then anwer to my question about your vP mech experience. Then explan how can i win vs high master/GM level protoss if mech is that bad, even versus players who know me and know i'll be meching?
How can you guarantee that all of protoss that you played is good ?,you got only 50% win ratio so i don't think that your mmr was high (rank is not important).i saw your replay and protoss play very poor -_-.
On March 25 2012 03:09 Lyyna wrote: Then prove these "Facts". Most of them aren't even true. Then explain why my replays shows that these facts can be dealt with. Then read my whole guide,as i talk about why goody quitted mech, then anwer to my question about your vP mech experience. Then explan how can i win vs high master/GM level protoss if mech is that bad, even versus players who know me and know i'll be meching?
How can you guarantee that all of protoss that you played is good ?,you got only 50% win ratio so i don't think that your mmr was high (rank is not important).i saw your replay and protoss play very poor -_-.
You are such a joke. The MMR skill is caped at TopMaster, that's why GM meet Masters now. And you know what ? Lyyna is top master, he played the top of the top of the european ladder and he still wins with 60 to 70% in TvP. There is Breath_Un, a top50 GM who gave us a replay where he TvPs with mech. His opponent is EEvEE, a well know top GM who faces players like Mana, Stephano and other players like that on the ladder. The game was Insane, with HT, Immortal, Archons, and he still lost even if he played like a pro.
So, shut up and leave this thread if you have nothing to say but shit.
In fact i think posting here was a really big mistake, i should just delete all my posts made on TL about mech, and come back after winning a GSL or two . . and even in that case some people will still do random bash on things i've already talk about , just because i dare to play in a different way... As said on another topic,basically TvP mech can only be an underground movement , not because of any viability issue but because of people's mentality
On March 25 2012 02:59 XquisiteWretch wrote: supposed mech weakness? its not "supposed" its fact... the king of mech "Goody" quit mech a long time ago, saying it is ineffective against protoss, so if you dont want to hear it from me, fine... just know that I am not pissing on your back and telling you its raining, I am telling you the truth
There is a better mech player named gorapadong.
Also, Goody did not quit.
Please check your facts. You obviously do not know as much about this as neither Lyyna nor me, so get off your high horse. TL Strategy Guidelines say that you should post with respect and make sure your contributions are neither random theorycrafting without experience in said situations nor false or inaccurate.
If you have no replays or reasoning to back your argument up, get out. You're of no help to the discussion.
Great guide, I have been meching since that jinro-mc match ages ago.
I like to do a 1 marauder expo and then start the factory in that techlab, tanks non-stop. Instead of banshees i prefer bfh drops and then in the late game mass nukes+hellion runbys. I'll try to mix some air with it
On March 25 2012 03:09 Lyyna wrote: Then prove these "Facts". Most of them aren't even true. Then explain why my replays shows that these facts can be dealt with. Then read my whole guide,as i talk about why goody quitted mech, then anwer to my question about your vP mech experience. Then explan how can i win vs high master/GM level protoss if mech is that bad, even versus players who know me and know i'll be meching?
How can you guarantee that all of protoss that you played is good ?,you got only 50% win ratio so i don't think that your mmr was high (rank is not important).i saw your replay and protoss play very poor -_-.
You are such a joke. The MMR skill is caped at TopMaster, that's why GM meet Masters now. And you know what ? Lyyna is top master, he played the top of the top of the european ladder and he still wins with 60 to 70% in TvP. There is Breath_Un, a top50 GM who gave us a replay where he TvPs with mech. His opponent is EEvEE, a well know top GM who faces players like Mana, Stephano and other players like that on the ladder. The game was Insane, with HT, Immortal, Archons, and he still lost even if he played like a pro.
So, shut up and leave this thread if you have nothing to say but shit.
lol are you serious ? do you think Gm who play high Master is good ? He got bad mmr that why he play high master.I saw that game and don't think protoss play good enough to claim that Mech is viable,He throw away his army after he can crush terran army @ 4th base, He got no Scout pylon/ probe / observer eventhough he know unit composition of terran army (which got many hellion) so fall a part form hellion run by. He did not even try to harass main base with his stalker (thank god he got no turret at all !!), @ 34 min he attack with out reason (wtf terran got sensor tower ) and get trap lol.And so many use less engage/bad micro.He play like a pro right ?
On March 25 2012 03:09 Lyyna wrote: Then prove these "Facts". Most of them aren't even true. Then explain why my replays shows that these facts can be dealt with. Then read my whole guide,as i talk about why goody quitted mech, then anwer to my question about your vP mech experience. Then explan how can i win vs high master/GM level protoss if mech is that bad, even versus players who know me and know i'll be meching?
How can you guarantee that all of protoss that you played is good ?,you got only 50% win ratio so i don't think that your mmr was high (rank is not important).i saw your replay and protoss play very poor -_-.
You are such a joke. The MMR skill is caped at TopMaster, that's why GM meet Masters now. And you know what ? Lyyna is top master, he played the top of the top of the european ladder and he still wins with 60 to 70% in TvP. There is Breath_Un, a top50 GM who gave us a replay where he TvPs with mech. His opponent is EEvEE, a well know top GM who faces players like Mana, Stephano and other players like that on the ladder. The game was Insane, with HT, Immortal, Archons, and he still lost even if he played like a pro.
So, shut up and leave this thread if you have nothing to say but shit.
lol are you serious ? do you think Gm who play high Master is good ? He got bad mmr that why he play high master.
I"m only going to react on that : Learn how leagues works. Highest masters have an MMR equal to top GM (and sometimes higher than every GM). GM are the 200 highest MMR WHEN GM league is filled, after that there is nothing that makes GM MMR different from master's one. Most high master are even with most GM. You say that a GM who is playing high master is bad? Then I do see a lots of bad GM. Kas, Dimaga, Real, Lowely, etc . . . Learn how MMR and leagues works before saying things like that And well, i start to really think that thread is dead before really started to live
On March 25 2012 03:09 Lyyna wrote: Then prove these "Facts". Most of them aren't even true. Then explain why my replays shows that these facts can be dealt with. Then read my whole guide,as i talk about why goody quitted mech, then anwer to my question about your vP mech experience. Then explan how can i win vs high master/GM level protoss if mech is that bad, even versus players who know me and know i'll be meching?
How can you guarantee that all of protoss that you played is good ?,you got only 50% win ratio so i don't think that your mmr was high (rank is not important).i saw your replay and protoss play very poor -_-.
You are such a joke. The MMR skill is caped at TopMaster, that's why GM meet Masters now. And you know what ? Lyyna is top master, he played the top of the top of the european ladder and he still wins with 60 to 70% in TvP. There is Breath_Un, a top50 GM who gave us a replay where he TvPs with mech. His opponent is EEvEE, a well know top GM who faces players like Mana, Stephano and other players like that on the ladder. The game was Insane, with HT, Immortal, Archons, and he still lost even if he played like a pro.
So, shut up and leave this thread if you have nothing to say but shit.
lol are you serious ? do you think Gm who play high Master is good ? He got bad mmr that why he play high master.
I"m only going to react on that : Learn how leagues works. Highest masters have an MMR equal to top GM. Most high master are even with most GM. You say that a GM who is playing high master has a bad MMR? Then I do see a lots of bad GM. Kas, Dimaga, Real, Lowely, etc . . .
If that high master player got like 50% (low mmr) ratio yes i would say that Gm so bad.
Even the highest GM players mainly play against High masters players.. you have to remember that there are only 200 GM players and often the very top master players of the whole server have higher MMR than the bottom of GM.
nOondn you clearly don't understand how the ladder system works.
On March 25 2012 03:58 Kaitokid wrote: Even the highest GM players mainly play against High masters players.. you have to remember that there are only 200 GM players and often the very top master players of the whole server have higher MMR than the bottom of GM.
nOondn you clearly don't understand how the ladder system works.
i mean Gm player who played with low mmr high master player is bad ok ?.
So considering i often match pros (for example i faced Kas and won with him only slightly favored, i faced Dimaga "even", etc), following your reasoning,i'm good because my MMR is good. Seriously, give up this, you clearly don't understand how league, MMR, ratios,etc works,and also you're basically killing an already nearly dead thread ><
I don't think you adequately answered how you're supposed to stop multipronged blink stalker / obs attacks while the protoss (mass) expands behind it. In all actuality, P should be able to force a soft contain on you (not allowing you to take a very quick third, and preventing 4ths and 5ths altogether) and STILL be able to gut your production simply due to the immobility of siege tanks.
Sure, you can counterharass with BFH and Cloaked Banshees, but the effectiveness of those two falls off in the mid game. It doesn't compare to ~30 blink stalkers blinking on the sides of your base.
And in regards to sensor towers - What does this matter? Honestly, even if you have sensor towers and can see blink stalkers coming, I'm at a loss for what you expect to be able to do against them. Unsiege from your front and move your entire tankline back and then siege up again? Run back the superduper cost-efficient 10 hellions to get smashed?
This is what needs to be answered before you can declare this build viable.
I don't think you adequately answered how you're supposed to stop multipronged blink stalker / obs attacks while the protoss (mass) expands behind it. In all actuality, P should be able to force a soft contain on you (not allowing you to take a very quick third, and preventing 4ths and 5ths altogether) and STILL be able to gut your production simply due to the immobility of siege tanks.
Sure, you can counterharass with BFH and Cloaked Banshees, but the effectiveness of those two falls off in the mid game. It doesn't compare to ~30 blink stalkers blinking on the sides of your base.
And in regards to sensor towers - What does this matter? Honestly, even if you have sensor towers and can see blink stalkers coming, I'm at a loss for what you expect to be able to do against them. Unsiege from your front and move your entire tankline back and then siege up again? Run back the superduper cost-efficient 10 hellions to get smashed?
This is what needs to be answered before you can declare this build viable.
EPT
