EPT[G] How to get out of bronze w/ macro (not cheese) - Page 6
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serum321
United States606 Posts
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Deleted User 255289
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_-NoMaN-_
Canada250 Posts
Forget bronze league, this build is sick gosu! \^_^/ Although to be fair i did micro somewhat, though none of those fancy sutter-step shenanigans. Edit. One of the key concepts of the build to note is, that the attack and expand timings are synced, at least initially. Not only does this mean that you pressure effectively defends your new base, it also accounts for the fact that you just invested in economy. This means your army size will not increase as quickly for some time (until the expansion has paid for itself), giving your army a good strength/timing ratio for your attack. | ||
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Snoodles
401 Posts
On March 09 2012 00:41 serum321 wrote: Grats Captain. Yeah Snoodles keep at it, it takes longer than it should, but it also wants to make sure you won't be getting demoted. Thanks. 800+ points and still working on it  On March 09 2012 14:56 superbarnie wrote: I am trying this in silver. You will lose using this if enemy manages to get many tanks/colossus. However, if you survive, you can have a really good economy so you can just make like 5 star ports and mass banshees/Vikings while making MM. This is what I was wondering. How many bases do you think it's safe to switch? When I've lot it's against protoss who defend well for a long time with cannons and then come to my bases with 6 colossus + storm guys(I know the "good" players don't let that happen but that's why I'm here). Even if I have a 200/200 army it just melts. When is a good time to switch techs? Also, an interesting thing I've noticed with zerg is that if they try to roach or defend until they have mutalisk, they get steamrolled with this build. When the 11:00 army gets there they have a mutalisk group that was ready to go bother me has to be used for defense against a bajillion marines  A guy who gets spinecrawlers for a while and then baneling + speedlings wins pretty cost effectively though. So this build feels weakest against collossi, baneling/speedling, and good tank positioning. | ||
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Snoodles
401 Posts
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ianoji
United States39 Posts
http://www.mediafire.com/?9im88u821zo986kvx. Colossus... had to focus them down when i saw them, but it was worth it! Thank you for the strat! I used to play like this before getting fancy, feels good to get back into a Map Control Terran sort of mode! btw, for anecdotal stats, I'm in Gold and I'm sure the build will keep me here | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
The first push roflstomped on his natural expand - and I had to take a second to issue a-move into his main afterwards. He managed to hold his ramp with siege. I then ignored him, kept building/expanding. Around the time I dropped my fourth, he attacked me and I just selected marines and a-moved at him - his smaller force of marine, marauder, medivac, and tanks got pounded and ran away.When I hit 200/200, I a-moved my marines around the outside lane of cloud kingdom. 137 marines > everything he had - stomped on his third, his natural, then up into his main. Which was when I saw his new cluster of CCs. He lifted his main OC and tried to land elsewhere, but I just a-moved my marines on a path around the map and he GG'd. His bio had upgrades, they had medivacs, they had tank support. I thought I was toast when my marines came on his counterattack at my natural and he had 4 sieged up tanks - but they quantity has a quality all of its own. I will be trying this more, because I saw the score screen and I had 71 SCVs. That's the best I've ever done (usually, on a "normal" build, I start to forget around 50) and losing my natural had no impact on my ability to keep all my rax pumping, building more rax, more SCVs... (This was in silver, btw.) Concentrating on just the macro is good. | ||
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Demnogonis
Finland80 Posts
Personally I hold some rules I never break, helps me focus and gives me time to think, sort of. And one of them is when macro, double upgrades always. Otherwise, strong 1-2 base timing attack. | ||
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TALegion
United States1187 Posts
Literally no other strategy/goal/skills are required. | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
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NeThZOR
South Africa7387 Posts
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NeThZOR
South Africa7387 Posts
On March 10 2012 06:04 Snoodles wrote: Well it took 56 wins and 850+ points but I'm finally silver in EU! I know that's kind of shitty but SC2 is my first RTS so I'm content with these results. Thanks OP! Congratulations man, just as long you are happy with your achievement, there is nothing wrong with making it into Silver. What others think does not matter even a bit. For some consolation though, being in Silver - Gold these days does not necessarily mean that you are a bad player. I have faced multiple players of that skill range in custom games on the EU server, and many of them at least had decent macro mechanics and such. Never disregard your ranking. Now onto that Gold! | ||
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nusita
France1 Post
I've just started this season this weekend, I qualified to the bronze league. I did only 2 games today, but 2 wins with this build. I think that on the previous seasons I got distracted trying to copy pro builds, micro etc and didn't got basics. On this season I'm going to concentrate on macro only. I think I gonna put effort to do the build as perfect as possible before I try anything else. | ||
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Captain Marksie
40 Posts
At the 8:00 mark where you put down the two extra barracks i found that while they were building i would be floating quite a lot of minerals. So with this extra cash i throw down 2 Ebays a bit after i throw down the 2 extra rax. I cant remember the exact timing but its basically when you can afford it. Once the Ebays are done start researching 1-1. Also when the first expansion is finished i throw down 3 refineries. About 30 seconds after starting 1-1 i throw down a factory and soon after thats finished, you have about a 30 second window, i throw down an amory. 1-1 should finish about the same time as the armory and then i immediately start 2-2, and then 3-3 once thats finished. This has increased my win rate alot, especially if it goes to late game where before i would usually lose because he would have 3-3 to my 0-0. I also get concussive shells after combat shield and then stim after shells. Havent got any exact timings yet. I will continue to play and work out some timings. With stim all i do is as my forces meet his forces i stim then go back to macro. Also another good thing about throwing down Ebays is that i can then thow down a turret or two, with any minerals im floating, at my mineral lines to stop banshee harrasment etc. Cloak banshees were always a pain especially if i had just dropped mules. | ||
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PinheadXXXXXX
United States897 Posts
On February 27 2012 12:56 Fencer710 wrote: Very nice OP. I actually went with a way different strategy for improving; Cheeze. I would 6-rax into gold league, then started getting Marauders, Medivacs, and expanding. It did pretty well for me. I learned to Macro, Micro, and build Depots constantly. It was also fun. :D Though this strategy is probably much better, doing a mass-marine cheeze can also be a good way to improve. if u 6rax u never get supply blocked ever, or miss unit production it helps u so much if u go to a noncheese build | ||
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imbroglio
United States3 Posts
Two problems I've had are playing against a Protoss that uses an enormous amount of Stalkers and Colossi to defend whilst also expanding. I try to go for a heavier marauder composition in this circumstance and use a little micro to focus fire on the Colossi. On a small map like Korhal Compound, this works okay because I can keep the 'Toss-pot holed up, but on Tal'Darim Altar they basically get a free expo as well as the ability to see down the hills and start marring my army prematurely.Their third expo is easily defended by blinking Stalkers down there. Plus, they have plenty of spaces to expand to, so it's hard to track them all down without leaving my expos undefended. I thought, I'll just expand more than them, but on TA it's difficult to get map control on such a huge map. Do you have any suggestions for using this strategy on larger maps or against other expanding players that have too much defense built up? Do you switch strategies or transition after the first expo or just keep macroing? Should I siege up and get a few medivacs while continuing the same level of production? For now I have just taken TA off of my map preferences. Also, in general against Stalkers and Roaches, are Marauders only good because of concussive shell or do they actually deal more damage than marines? Is it still a good idea to get equal amount of reactors and tech labs because I need the marines for DPS or should I build more tech labs because I'll take out more Stalkers/Roaches that way? | ||
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Output
Latvia51 Posts
I started off as terran since i had almost no RTS experience and thats what i kinda learned from campaign. Went with about 50% win rate and lived in about top 50 bronze... From watching A TON of pro games/day9/tournaments got a decent game knowledge (basics atleast). And Zerg started to look interesting. Tried it against AI and and leared hotkeys, how larva inject work etc. The i watched dApollo tutorial on youtube... GO AND F-ing WATCH IT!!!! That thought me how to scout and some very basic timings. I always wanted to start learning with 1 build to refine but i understood that it is not efficient, so i picked 1 build for each matchup. vT 15 hatch and speedlings with bling, later mutas. vP 15hatch and roaches later add hydras. vZ 14gas 14pool lings blings. With these builds i won 12 out of 15 games and got straigth in silver. And learned 1 valuable lesson - bronze is 90% cheese. Scout for cannon rushes and bunker rushes. None of them are executed well in bronze so thats easy win for you. get overlord in his base at about 6 min, since bronze players wont hit exact timings you should see tendency for cloaked banshies (50% terrans do this) or voidrays. If you see this just go kill him, there will not be an army to stop you. 4-gate in bronze usually come at about 7 min. So at 6 min i just start pumping roaches and maybe add a spine or 2, hold the attack with ease then counterattack while getting third up. TL;DR SCOUT SCOUT SCOUT. as zerg spread overlords around map and you will never be surprised by a drop. And if you expect voidrays or banshies you will know where to move your queens/hydras and maybe drop an extra spore (even if it won't finish it will distract him). Last tip - do not try to copy pro players, bronze games are nothing like their games. E.G. if bronze player makes helions he will not stop at 6 or 8, he will make 20. Although you should copy things like constantly making workers, expanding and keeping money low. P.S. Since i wanted to see how easy it is to drop a league i tried to drop games rapidly and after 15 got back in silver. Turns out it is much harder getting out of bronze the second time - it seems that my MMR has got more stable. Anyway i still have 80-90% win rate and when i lose it is always because i did not scout enough. Worst was when i was completely surprised by voidrays - just started evo chamber when 5 of them were on their way, still i fought off for 15 min but by then he had massed up army and i lost. Losing after a fight like that feels worse that plain out losing to simple 6pool or cannonrush. | ||
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taitanik
Latvia231 Posts
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Mormel
Netherlands57 Posts
On March 12 2012 18:46 taitanik wrote: i think with this strategy bronze-platinum players will win or lose at that 7:30 attack In my experience: if the 7:30 attack did some damage,you're good. If it didn't do any damage, you win around 40%. Also, it got my out of bronze. I think in about 50 games. So thank you very much for the guide! | ||
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Sylvanium
Canada32 Posts
On March 12 2012 18:46 taitanik wrote: i think with this strategy bronze-platinum players will win or lose at that 7:30 attack The first attack is not meant to kill him. It is meant to hurt him BIG DIFFERENCE. That first attack is usually held, but at the cost of his army and if your lucky his expo maybe even a few production buildings. Since you are macroing while you attack and he is most likely just microing to fend off your attack, you automatically pull ahead. Good players can Macro and Micro at the same time, and I find that these players appear in high Silver low Gold but by that time you should have practiced Macro enough, with Hotkeys and such that you can Micro your battle, Stim your army and overall just make more damage then simply A-Move. (Trouble with Hotkeys? Day9 Daily 252 and practice, practice, practice). High Silver, low Gold is also the time where gaining map awarness and scouting becomes important. Up to this point, blind build your way up and you should win more then you loose but after this point they are scouting so you should be scouting to, feel free to adjust the build to meet the circumstances, He has one base seige tanks, cool, hold the first attack and tech to Medivacs, drop him when he expos, as you drop attack the front and confuse him like crazy!.Anyway, good luck guys and Have Fun. P.S. in my experience this build is very weak vs. zerg (ling/bling/mutas specially). Try this build, its a lot more Micro intensive, but then again, you practiced macro for the last 50 games, time to learn some basic Micro and Harrass techniques. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306157 I know it says you have to be high level player to pull it off, but I can attest to the contrary and the reason it works in High Silver/Low Gold? He can not Micro and Macro as well as you can. | ||
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