Infested Terran trick. By using mousewheel - Page 22

On February 07 2012 18:57 Afterstar wrote:
If blizzard removes this, then they should fix the bug with the snipe key.

The problem:
After you select your ghosts,if you Hold "R" (Pressed) and start spamming left click immediately on one or more targets, only one ghost will get the command to snipe once,the system will deselect your group and select the enemy target.

Now do the following, select your ghosts, Hold "R"(Pressed), wait 1.5seconds with R pressed and then spam left click on multiple targets. The snipes will work correctly for all ghosts.

This is a bug,that forces you to have to wait 1.5seconds before being able to snipe fast or forces you having to hold SHIFT+R,where you are queueing commands.This method is risky because if one of the targets gets out of range your ghosts will try to reach it, also sometimes ghosts will fire normal shots,even further delaying your sniping.

If you Hold E(Pressed) for EMP and spam left click immediately,it will work correctly without the need of SHIFT or the 1.5second wait.Same for Infested Terrans,Fungal Growth,Storm.
Why is Snipe punished,having to wait 1.5seconds before being able to snipe fast?

On February 07 2012 19:07 Liquid`TLO wrote:
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I don't think there is a problem with ghosts considering how strong ghosts are in the game. I haven`t met a progamer who complained about snipe being too bad to be honest. I admit snipe behaves a bit weird but you can master it nonetheless.

On February 07 2012 19:25 Magus.421 wrote:
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I don't see how it's a bug since every "one target" spell behave like this. Feedback and queen's heal just do exactly the same thing.

In fact, AoE spells do the same thing. But with these spell's, you don't "click" on a particular unit so you avoid this problem.

On February 07 2012 19:26 Afterstar wrote:I hope blizzard can give us an answer as to why you have to wait 1.5seconds after Holding "R"(Snipe default key),before being able to snipe properly with multiple ghosts,when no other spell has this "limitation"(bug).

On February 07 2012 19:30 Magus.421 wrote:


Because while you are "holding" a key, you use the "repeat key" function of your keyboard. When you type a text, just hold a key and you'll see the same behavior. You hold the key, and you must wait a little moment before your keyboard start to repeat the key.
This "timer" can be modified in Windows keyboard settings (the minimum you can set is 0.5 real second).

In SC2, we use this "repeat key" for spells spamming. But it's a keyboard function, not SC2 function.

On February 07 2012 19:36 Afterstar wrote:


You sir may have found the problem/solution.
But why when you spam a key to queue up units or create zerg units,it does it immediately with no delay at all , or how about AOE spells?

On February 07 2012 19:44 RoyAlex wrote:
It does not do it immediatly. You create 1 drone then 1 sec later you create drones with rapid speed. If you set keyboard delay repeat to like 5ms you will almost use all your larva almost immediately, so adjusting repeat delay is a dobble edge sword

On February 07 2012 17:23 PH wrote:

No. You're simply mapping more than one key to one particular action. You're not mapping multiple actions to one key, which would be problematic.

It'd be like having multiple keys build a probe, which isn't really bad. This is bad only 'cause the mouse scroll wheel can be triggered so quickly...

On February 07 2012 19:26 Afterstar wrote:


Just because no progamer complained before, that doesn't mean there isn't a problem or a potential bug with this.
At the moment it feels very clunky.
I hope blizzard can give us an answer as to why you have to wait 1.5seconds after Holding "R"(Snipe default key),before being able to snipe properly with multiple ghosts,when no other spell has this "limitation"(bug).




As you said AOE spells,(in fact any spell with no target requirement) do the same thing but you don't click on a unit and therefore there is no need to Hold the spell key and THEN wait 1.5seconds before start snipe spamming(Hold R + left click spam method).
Feedback you only need to use it once per target and Queen's heal doesn't require crazy spamming to be effective,so the only spell affected is the Snipe.

On February 07 2012 20:22 Keone wrote:

I understand and understood before that 1-to-Many is bad; that wasn't part of my original question. My question is: is Many-to-1 legal? Your example with multiple keys mapped to a probe would count as a Many-to-1; is that legal within GSL rules? This is because someone originally said only 1-to-1 mappings are legal in GSL.

On February 07 2012 20:31 Aletheia27 wrote:
... A lot of these posts to me seem like whiney kids who don't want to have to work to win and think it unfair that terran's don't have to work or some idiocracy. And btw, I play zerg so you can cut those stereotypical adhominem come backs. Maybe to take a page out of Sirlin's book, http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/what-should-be-banned.html

On February 07 2012 20:31 Aletheia27 wrote:
I don't feel like this breaks the game beyond repair. Or that people won't figure out how to deal with it. As such, I don't think this needs to be patched. Idk. A lot of these posts to me seem like whiney kids who don't want to have to work to win and think it unfair that terran's don't have to work or some idiocracy. And btw, I play zerg so you can cut those stereotypical adhominem come backs. Maybe to take a page out of Sirlin's book, http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/what-should-be-banned.html

"How does one know if a bug destroys the game or even if a legitimate tactic destroys it? The rule of thumb is to assume it doesn’t and keep playing, because 99% of the time, as good as the tactic may be, there will either be a way to counter it or other even better tactics. Prematurely banning something is the scrub’s way. It prevents the scrub from ever discovering the counter to the Valle CC or the diamond trick. It also creates artificial rules that alter the game, when it’s entirely possible that the game was just fine the way it was. It also usually leads to an avalanche of bans in order to be consistent with the first. When players think they have found a game-breaking tactic, I advise them to go win some tournaments with it. If they can prove that the game really is reduced to just that tactic, then perhaps a ban is warranted. It’s extremely rare that a player is ever able to prove this though. In fact, I don’t even have any examples of it."

Further

"The only reasonable case to ban something because it is “too good” is when that tactic completely dominates the entire game, to the exclusion of other tactics. It is possible, though very rare, that removing an element of the game that is not only “the best” but also “ten times better than anything else in the game” results in a better game. I emphasize that is extremely rare. The most common case is that the player requesting the ban doesn’t fully grasp that the game is, in fact, not all about that one tactic. He should win several tournaments using mainly this tactic to prove his point. Another, far rarer possibility is that he’s right. The game really is shallow and centered on one thing (whether that one thing is a bug or by design is irrelevant). In that case, the best course of action is usually to abandon the game and play one of the hundreds of other readily available good games in the world."

And what's a soft ban?

"Japan, however, does not officially ban Akuma from tournaments! They have what is called a "soft ban." This is a tacit understanding amongst all top players that Akuma is too good to be played, and that he destroys an otherwise beautiful game, so they unofficially agree not to play him. There are always a very small number of people who do play him in tournaments, but never the top players. Usually a few poor players try their hand at the god-character and lose, which is utterly humiliating and crowd-pleasing. This is an interesting alternate take on the "hard ban" we have in America."

Original article:
http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/what-should-be-banned.html