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On February 07 2012 14:01 Keone wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 15:23 Azzur wrote:
For those that are questioning the validity / legality of this - I'm 100% sure that this would be allowed in the GSL - players are allowed to install their own mouse drivers and rebind keys as long as it's 1-to-1 key bind. For tournaments such as MLG, it "should" be allowed but time constraints may not allow for it.
For example, I'm using a Microsoft Intellimouse and the built-in drivers allow me to rebind keys. In World of Warcraft, doing such things are very common that gaming mice have been released to have many buttons on a mouse. Question, doesn't this count as NOT 1-to-1 key binding, and thus, illegal? Because this would technically be Many-to-1, because the left mouse button is still the Mouse1, and if you bind another key to Mouse1, that counts as Many-to-1. Just an honest question.
No. You're simply mapping more than one key to one particular action. You're not mapping multiple actions to one key, which would be problematic.
It'd be like having multiple keys build a probe, which isn't really bad. This is bad only 'cause the mouse scroll wheel can be triggered so quickly...
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its sad that people need things like that.
I got 2 ideas in mind, apm peaks are recognizeable(banable) and/or give snipe a cooldown of 0,5 seconds.
the time of installing this shit would be better invested in optimising your macro... but its easier to cheat thats true.
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On February 07 2012 17:42 enykie wrote:
its sad that people need things like that.
I got 2 ideas in mind, apm peaks are recognizeable(banable) and/or give snipe a cooldown of 0,5 seconds.
the time of installing this shit would be better invested in optimising your macro... but its easier to cheat thats true.
1. it's not cheat per se
2. it takes about 2 minutes to install, so highly unlikely u'd miss that time
Btw, i tried and im not gonna use it, as zerg, though as Terran i would be very tempted
It's game changing for ghosts, with infested terrans, meh...
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Is this allowed in tournaments? Pretty sure you can't rebind keys to scroll or other buttons on the mouse other than left and right click right? or no?
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On February 07 2012 17:42 enykie wrote:
its sad that people need things like that.
I got 2 ideas in mind, apm peaks are recognizeable(banable) and/or give snipe a cooldown of 0,5 seconds.
the time of installing this shit would be better invested in optimising your macro... but its easier to cheat thats true.
Honestly, I think that it is blizzard's fault for creating certain spell mechanics like infested terrans and snipe which is dependant (read strength based upon) the users ability to rapidly utilise the spell... not rapid in terms of casting several emps on a protoss ball, but rapid as in cast as many %^&*ing times as possible.
I find it misleading you use the term: people "need" things like this... and the reason i dislike that term is because the spell design of both snipe and to a lesser extent infested terran are both MECHANICALLY POOR.
I hate the design of snipe because of how it is, it is basically an APM dump that is only remotely useful to the highest tier of player who can manage it... now there is a tool which allows any player to use snipes as efficiently as possible (in terms of ghost speed) and you would criticism them because their fingers or their mouse buttons aren't fast enough.
Someone remarked that this mechanic makes snipe "even more OP"... which i found disgusting because i hate the idea of a spell (or tactic's) difficulty of use being a determining factor in balance... especially when dealing with "maximum potentials" that most pros are dealing with... 90% of terran players cannot beautifully or perfectly que snipes... (and even after trying this myself it is quite clumsy)
I will probably keep this, as being able to cast infested terrans in battle is always convenient and now i can more reliably use my caster energy and control my army better...
I AM SURPRISED THAT BLIZZARD DOESNT ALLOW MOUSE WHEEL/BUTTON KEYBINDS in their natural hotkey system (excluding mouse buttons 3 and beyond)... In that spirit, I wouldn't be surprised if blizzard added the "left click" and "right click" functions in unit management to allow similar rebindings.
w.e, just means i need to build more infesters  gl hf gg and no whining!
and i just want everyone to remember, that this doesn't do anything for you, it only grants more accurate control of your forces (by allowing you to 'click' faster) nothing more...
On February 07 2012 17:51 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Is this allowed in tournaments? Pretty sure you can't rebind keys to scroll or other buttons on the mouse other than left and right click right? or no?
the only buttons you CANNOT rebind are left/right click and scroll up/scroll down... middle mouse click, button 4, button 5, and beyond are all rebindable (my mouse button 4 is idle workers, its an incredibly useful tool :D )
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On February 07 2012 17:58 XerrolAvengerII wrote:
I find it misleading you use the term: people "need" things like this... and the reason i dislike that term is because the spell design of both snipe and to a lesser extent infested terran are both MECHANICALLY POOR.)
I beg to differ! I feel that Terran has the most rewarding mechancis of all races. I switched to Zerg and Injects are just a pain. I turn my brain off every minute to do it.
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On February 07 2012 17:58 XerrolAvengerII wrote:
I hate the design of snipe because of how it is, it is basically an APM dump that is only remotely useful to the highest tier of player who can manage it... now there is a tool which allows any player to use snipes as efficiently as possible (in terms of g)
It's these sorta things that set the pros apart from the masses though... their ability to efficiently use what others aren't capable of by means of speed and dexterity.
And its fair to critizise automation of such things because it undermines the competitive aspect of the game.
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I hope this gets Blizzard to remove smartcasting :>
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My mouse driver don't allow me to rebind an action on wheel up/down 
Is there a program to make that ?
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On February 07 2012 17:51 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Is this allowed in tournaments? Pretty sure you can't rebind keys to scroll or other buttons on the mouse other than left and right click right? or no?
Why wouldn't it?
You are binding on a 1-to-1 scale, so it is just like having custom hotkeys AFAIK
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On February 07 2012 18:10 decaf wrote:
I hope this gets Blizzard to remove smartcasting :>
snipe/infested terrans would be awful without smart casting.
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I don't really see the issue. Everyone can do it. If anything it creates a level playing field between those who have higher spam click speed than others, which I don't believe is a bad thing.
If there is an issue at all, it's with the actual base ghost snipe spell in ZvT. Maybe they should just put a cooldown on it.
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On February 07 2012 18:42 OrangeSoda wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 18:10 decaf wrote:
I hope this gets Blizzard to remove smartcasting :> snipe/infested terrans would be awful without smart casting.
Nah infested terrans would still be good. You're right on Snipe tho, it would just overkill 1 target.
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I have known about this for a very long time hoping people would not find about it. (cytoplasm discovered it when we lived together in the Swedish Pro house) I think tournaments should ban it immediately, which will be fairly easy considering you need a 3rd party program to rebind left mouse-button to other keys.
It is extremely game breaking and definitely not a cool feature we just found out about.
Another solution would be to just give Infested Terran and snipe a short cool down but I prefer the other solution as then you cant be limited by the cool-down only by how fast you can click.
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On February 07 2012 17:42 enykie wrote:
its sad that people need things like that.
I got 2 ideas in mind, apm peaks are recognizeable(banable) and/or give snipe a cooldown of 0,5 seconds.
the time of installing this shit would be better invested in optimising your macro... but its easier to cheat thats true.
Snipe has a cast time of about half a second, the problem here is that you can make all your ghosts cast it at the same time instead of based on how fast you can click.
The solution for this is to not prevent people from using the scroll trick, but allowing people to make all thier spellcasters cast a spell at the same time without the use of the scroll wheel. Such as holding another key along with shift makes all casters use spell at once. I don't like things that are better the faster you can click, such as mass spellcasting.
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If blizzard removes this, then they should fix the bug with the snipe key.
The problem:
After you select your ghosts,if you Hold "R" (Pressed) and start spamming left click immediately on one or more targets, only one ghost will get the command to snipe once,the system will deselect your group and select the enemy target.
Now do the following, select your ghosts, Hold "R"(Pressed), wait 1.5seconds with R pressed and then spam left click on multiple targets. The snipes will work correctly for all ghosts.
This is a bug,that forces you to have to wait 1.5seconds before being able to snipe fast or forces you having to hold SHIFT+R,where you are queueing commands.This method is risky because if one of the targets gets out of range your ghosts will try to reach it, also sometimes ghosts will fire normal shots,even further delaying your sniping.
If you Hold E(Pressed) for EMP and spam left click immediately,it will work correctly without the need of SHIFT or the 1.5second wait.Same for Infested Terrans,Fungal Growth,Storm.
Why is Snipe punished,having to wait 1.5seconds before being able to snipe fast?
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On February 07 2012 18:57 Afterstar wrote:
If blizzard removes this, then they should fix the bug with the snipe key.
The problem:
After you select your ghosts,if you Hold "R" (Pressed) and start spamming left click immediately on one or more targets, only one ghost will get the command to snipe once,the system will deselect your group and select the enemy target.
Now do the following, select your ghosts, Hold "R"(Pressed), wait 1.5seconds with R pressed and then spam left click on multiple targets. The snipes will work correctly for all ghosts.
This is a bug,that forces you to have to wait 1.5seconds before being able to snipe fast or forces you having to hold SHIFT+R,where you are queueing commands.This method is risky because if one of the targets gets out of range your ghosts will try to reach it, also sometimes ghosts will fire normal shots,even further delaying your sniping.
If you Hold E(Pressed) for EMP and spam left click immediately,it will work correctly without the need of SHIFT or the 1.5second wait.Same for Infested Terrans,Fungal Growth,Storm.
Why is Snipe punished,having to wait 1.5seconds before being able to snipe fast?
I don't think there is a problem with ghosts considering how strong ghosts are in the game. I haven`t met a progamer who complained about snipe being too bad to be honest. I admit snipe behaves a bit weird but you can master it nonetheless.
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I tried it a bit in unit tester (as ghosts, not as IT's) and only once in a real game, but it's actually retarded. 7 broodlords floated towards 8 ghosts and they could only get 8 broodlings out before they were all dead.
That's retarded.
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an official blizzard statement would be great about the legitimacy.
imo this is total twilight area, since it is no real macro (like stated before). on the other hand this is more of a moral issue.
additionally not everyone is able to know about it and able to use it since it depends on your peripherals and abilities to set it up.
on this basis you cannot make balance changes to spells etc b/c the ones not using the "new" option will have it extra hard to be successfull with it, whereas the "users" will just be where they where before.
you can only balance around the same basis available to all players.
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On February 07 2012 18:57 Afterstar wrote:
If blizzard removes this, then they should fix the bug with the snipe key.
The problem:
After you select your ghosts,if you Hold "R" (Pressed) and start spamming left click immediately on one or more targets, only one ghost will get the command to snipe once,the system will deselect your group and select the enemy target.
Now do the following, select your ghosts, Hold "R"(Pressed), wait 1.5seconds with R pressed and then spam left click on multiple targets. The snipes will work correctly for all ghosts.
This is a bug,that forces you to have to wait 1.5seconds before being able to snipe fast or forces you having to hold SHIFT+R,where you are queueing commands.This method is risky because if one of the targets gets out of range your ghosts will try to reach it, also sometimes ghosts will fire normal shots,even further delaying your sniping.
If you Hold E(Pressed) for EMP and spam left click immediately,it will work correctly without the need of SHIFT or the 1.5second wait.Same for Infested Terrans,Fungal Growth,Storm.
Why is Snipe punished,having to wait 1.5seconds before being able to snipe fast?
I think all spells behave like that with the 1.5 second delay. ForceFields, Feedback & storm I know for a fact behave like that, it's super annoying.
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