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On February 07 2012 12:36 MurDeRsc2 wrote:
If you can't bind this within starcraft 2 there's no reason why this would be legal in competition. I can't imagine an MLG would allow 3rd party programs to help you bind keys.
What are you talking about? It's part of the mouse's software. To use the mouse, you install the software. MLG and every other competition lets you do this. I can't count the number of times matches have been delayed because of driver/software issues when the players install their mouse/keyboard. If you wanted to use some random other 3rd party program, then sure, I don't think MLG/whatever would let you. But it's not hard to find a mouse with these types of settings.
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On February 06 2012 15:23 Azzur wrote:
For those that are questioning the validity / legality of this - I'm 100% sure that this would be allowed in the GSL - players are allowed to install their own mouse drivers and rebind keys as long as it's 1-to-1 key bind. For tournaments such as MLG, it "should" be allowed but time constraints may not allow for it.
For example, I'm using a Microsoft Intellimouse and the built-in drivers allow me to rebind keys. In World of Warcraft, doing such things are very common that gaming mice have been released to have many buttons on a mouse.
Question, doesn't this count as NOT 1-to-1 key binding, and thus, illegal? Because this would technically be Many-to-1, because the left mouse button is still the Mouse1, and if you bind another key to Mouse1, that counts as Many-to-1. Just an honest question.
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So don't bind left click to scroll wheel, OOPS....
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Saw this this morning when it was just infested terrans, I'm not sure if I feel like snipe was already too strong in certain situations or whether this puts it over the top. Blizz might need to add a longer cooldown. Edit.. on second thought that doesn't really fix the problem.. might encourage a basic re-conceptualization of ghosts or the spell. It definitely made for some anti-climactic zvt late game even before this.
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On February 07 2012 14:01 Keone wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 15:23 Azzur wrote:
For those that are questioning the validity / legality of this - I'm 100% sure that this would be allowed in the GSL - players are allowed to install their own mouse drivers and rebind keys as long as it's 1-to-1 key bind. For tournaments such as MLG, it "should" be allowed but time constraints may not allow for it.
For example, I'm using a Microsoft Intellimouse and the built-in drivers allow me to rebind keys. In World of Warcraft, doing such things are very common that gaming mice have been released to have many buttons on a mouse. Question, doesn't this count as NOT 1-to-1 key binding, and thus, illegal? Because this would technically be Many-to-1, because the left mouse button is still the Mouse1, and if you bind another key to Mouse1, that counts as Many-to-1. Just an honest question.
What is happening is that 1 scroll of the mousewheel (i.e. moving the wheel 1 notch) = 1 left click. Why it's so fast because it's faster to scroll the mousewheel rather than left click repeatedly. Hence, it's a 1-to-1 key binding and hence legal.
What may happen in the future is that tournaments may declare this illegal but for the time being, it's definitely legal on the ladder and in tournaments.
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Alas, smartcasting... seems legal.
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Can anyone make a video of warp in using this technique?
Some have mentioned storm or FF, but really these skills require "aiming" and can't be spammed like infested terran, snipe, or warp in I think.
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Anyone else having problems with getting this to work? I use a razer deathadder and I rebinded scroll up and down to left click and sure it works but it is nowhere near as fast as in the videos, if I scroll too much/fast in any direction it just seems to ignore the commands all togheter. If i scroll slowly a little down then a little up it does it fairly fast but I can do faster with just clicking the left mouse button on my own. And just now when I went crazy with the scroll button I got a blue screen and crashed....?
Is there any way to increase the clicks the mouse does when you scroll? I looked around in the control panel under the mouse settings but I couldn't find anything that increased the speed of clicks.
also am I supposed to have the ghosts in hold position/hold fire?
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I also tried changing the "scroll speed" in the razer deathadder settings but that does not really change anything either.
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On February 07 2012 14:01 Keone wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 15:23 Azzur wrote:
For those that are questioning the validity / legality of this - I'm 100% sure that this would be allowed in the GSL - players are allowed to install their own mouse drivers and rebind keys as long as it's 1-to-1 key bind. For tournaments such as MLG, it "should" be allowed but time constraints may not allow for it.
For example, I'm using a Microsoft Intellimouse and the built-in drivers allow me to rebind keys. In World of Warcraft, doing such things are very common that gaming mice have been released to have many buttons on a mouse. Question, doesn't this count as NOT 1-to-1 key binding, and thus, illegal? Because this would technically be Many-to-1, because the left mouse button is still the Mouse1, and if you bind another key to Mouse1, that counts as Many-to-1. Just an honest question.
The 'one keystroke = one action' policy refers to a restriction against one keystroke doing two things, such as selecting your nexus control group, followed by making a probe. That would be two actions with one keystroke. This, however, is nothing more than holding Z down to spam Zerglings, something with Blizzard has even offered as a tip. Having a keystroke repeat itself while it's 'held down' is completely within the rules.
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Doesn't the fact you need to use shift highly limit it's effectiveness vs BL's and other things? I mean ultras it'll still be fine since they're melee and such, but for BL you want to snipe when as far away as possible....
For IT sounds definitely sick though.
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On February 07 2012 02:23 goswser wrote:
This will never be allowed in competitions since it breaks late game TvZ. People are already claiming snipe is broken even when you can't use the scroll wheel trick.
All right goswer. But we're also taking away your ability to hold down the Z key to make 100 Zerglings in 5 seconds. Same for every other Zerg hotkey...
You see, if you're going to start on the bandwagon, then make sure you do it across the board, not just the "T OP" whining.
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Really hoping this won't get me banned. Scroll snipe is ridiculously strong.
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THIS CAN'T BE LEGAL!!!
If u do this and watch the replay afterwards u will see that everytime u use this u will have more than 1000 APM. I dunno if this is a bug or not but it just feels imba. When i tried it i laughed my ass off but it won't be allowed for sure.
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I can see this being a problem
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this can be used for any caster unit and every race has a caster unit (mainly ghost ht infestor). i dont think they will ban it cause technically you are just hotkeying your left click to scroll. whats so illegal in this ?
Edit: In fact, i wouldn't use it. I just dont like macro keys.. it doesn't show any kind of skill.
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On February 07 2012 14:36 Zeyhn wrote:
Anyone else having problems with getting this to work? I use a razer deathadder and I rebinded scroll up and down to left click and sure it works but it is nowhere near as fast as in the videos, if I scroll too much/fast in any direction it just seems to ignore the commands all togheter. If i scroll slowly a little down then a little up it does it fairly fast but I can do faster with just clicking the left mouse button on my own. And just now when I went crazy with the scroll button I got a blue screen and crashed....?
Is there any way to increase the clicks the mouse does when you scroll? I looked around in the control panel under the mouse settings but I couldn't find anything that increased the speed of clicks.
also am I supposed to have the ghosts in hold position/hold fire?
Edit:
I also tried changing the "scroll speed" in the razer deathadder settings but that does not really change anything either.
Same problem here. I experimented with it for quite awhile and didn't find it effective because for some reason the ghosts get deselected when I scroll the wheel quickly or when I accidentally click on open space instead of an enemy unit (e.g., roaches running at me).
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On February 07 2012 11:42 Zanno wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 11:32 Jisall wrote:On February 07 2012 11:29 FinalForm wrote:
So, as some others have already mentioned, this technique is more effective when the ghost count increases. With only 4 ghosts, it's relatively easy to spam R fast enough so that you are still limited by the small internal cooldown on the snipe ability on small squad of ghosts.
However when your ghost numbers start getting high, like above 8, it gets increasingly difficult to dump the snipe energy as fast as possible using R spamming without this technique, as there are more ghosts now and the cooldowns are more available. It is stupidly easy to dump ghost energy with this technique.
With 12+ ghosts (which usually are only present in 200 vs 200 TvZ battles), its imperative that you dump ghost energy ASAP so you have move on to other micro, or you are limited in time because the zerg wave of bane ultra fungal is about to hit your ghost pack hard.
I'm curious if MLG will ban this specifically. If they do it will set a good precendent for future tournaments, because IMO it's not good for the game overall. Late game snipe spamming should blossom in the hands of a high APM player, not to the masses.
Its like Roids for APM. Do roids improve the game, or take away from the game is the question. that's a pretty seriously flawed argument blowing a line of adderall before a match would be like roids for apm this is like buying a better golf club, and when do you finally cross the threshold where you have to set limits on what the equipment for the sport can do Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 11:34 FinalForm wrote:
tbh, if we actually saw someone do this on the main stage of MLG, I think there would be a lot of boo'ing from the crowd just based on the insanity in the GSL i'm pretty sure the koreans already know about this (mvp's snipes come to mind) and we're just finding out now i'm not defending it at all but i think we're attacking the wrong thing, the real issue is you shouldn't be able to hold shift and a key and just keep clicking in the first place we don't need to scale the UI back to cloning in BW but you really should have to hit one keystroke per spell fixing the mousewheel issue is literally impossible but to get around the former you'd need a macro keyboard which already is illegal
Pretty sure macro keyboards aren't illegal until you use a macro with multiple commands.
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I tried the autohotkey program that v3ctor recommended instead of changing it in razer and now it works A LOT better.
hold position + hold fire and just hold R(or press R then hold shift in some situations) while scrolling and hovering the mouse over the ultras, tried in unit tester and it works like in the videos now. 
Gotten the deselect a few times but as long as I first hold down the R key it seems to work.
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On February 07 2012 10:48 Demonhunter04 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 08:13 Geiko wrote:On February 07 2012 08:08 Ben... wrote:On February 07 2012 07:17 xsnac wrote:
if this work on HIGH TEMPLAR FEEDBACK someone tell MC fast and protoss shall win a GSL CODE S SOON !! I gotta try that, you could just scroll over their medivacs or infestors and get all of them super easy. Or even if you see a Terran army just hold feedback then scroll over an army with ghosts in it and be guaranteed to hit at least some of the ghosts, even if they're mixed in. Or even over the minimap since you can feedback from the minimap. This setting + unlocked scrollwheel gear on G9X = all infested terrans out in one tiny motion with your finger (On the G9 and other Logitechs you can unlock the scroll wheel with a button on the bottom so it spins freely and it actually spins for a really long time). It feels super unfair to do it. Great idea, if you want to use 20 feedbacks on 1 medivac. Doesn't it say that the target has no energy and simply does not perform the feedback if the unit no longer has energy?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303033
Mythbuster episode 15 : you can't feedback a unit with 0 energy and do 0 damage.
So yeah you can't, however you need 2 feedbacks for each unit because 1 energy point automatically regenerates.
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