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docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 06:21:13
January 10 2012 22:09 GMT
#301
does anyone have a drop.sc for these? i can't get the replays to unzip, they stay as .rar and i just can't get it to work, if anyone knows what to do, that would be awesome.
EDIT: Nvm i finally got it to work, there are a lot of replays O.o
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 22:19:32
January 10 2012 22:17 GMT
#302
On January 10 2012 09:05 Sated wrote:
I'd totally forgotten about this build over the holidays, glad I rediscovered it. It just does so much damage to a Zerg who isn't prepared, and any Zerg who over-reacts will find themselves unable to deal with the follow-up push that comes from the Protoss. Absolutely love it! I've found that this is especially good against Zergs who go for an early pool - they gimp themselves quite heavily in exchange for making you expand more slowly, but if you weren't planning on expanding in the first place then this timing completely blows them out of the water!

ah, you were talking about the wp harass, my bad :D
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TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
January 10 2012 22:25 GMT
#303
I had similar ideas about a 1base robo play but i always get a bad feeling when trying to end a game with a one base push. Guess that comes from before i played random, when i was zerg.
KimUffe
Profile Joined September 2011
Denmark2 Posts
January 14 2012 10:30 GMT
#304
This can fairly easily be stopped if the zerg cuts drones at around 30 and builds 4 spines and mass lings/roach. And scouting it is really easy; no expo, warp prism harass etc.

Even if the protoss decides to fake it and not attack, you are still in a really good spot, seeing that you have 2 base vs 1 more workers and a good sized army.

Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
January 14 2012 11:06 GMT
#305
On January 11 2012 07:25 TigerKarl wrote:
I had similar ideas about a 1base robo play but i always get a bad feeling when trying to end a game with a one base push. Guess that comes from before i played random, when i was zerg.

You should feel bad...this is about as all-in as a build can be, on one base. It feels filthy.

But when they leave without GG, you can't help but smile.
WalkofLife
Profile Joined October 2011
United States18 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 04:00:49
January 15 2012 04:00 GMT
#306
Since this is such an all-in, what's the point of the warp prism harass? The OP says that its supposed to force units out of the Zerg, but don't you want him to drone up so your all-in will be met with little resistance? Seems a little counter-productive.
darkrage14
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada173 Posts
January 15 2012 04:06 GMT
#307
On January 15 2012 13:00 WalkofLife wrote:
Since this is such an all-in, what's the point of the warp prism harass? The OP says that its supposed to force units out of the Zerg, but don't you want him to drone up so your all-in will be met with little resistance? Seems a little counter-productive.


Because then a 2 base zerg who has map awareness and sees you're on 1 base will cut drones at 40-45 (which can at around 7:30) and then have a full 2 mins to make spines/roaches before you even MOVE OUT.
Mjolnir
Profile Joined January 2009
912 Posts
January 15 2012 04:42 GMT
#308
On January 10 2012 17:04 Moosegills wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 16:29 HenryZ wrote:
On January 10 2012 16:22 Moosegills wrote:
On January 10 2012 15:56 Belial88 wrote:
^ your post doesnt make sense. you can't overreact enough against a 1 base all-in and an early pool isn't going to gimp the zerg that much against this late 1 base play (unless obviously they did something like 6 pool, in which case its just an all in that fails).

You can have over 10 roaches and 70 +1 speedlings by the time this hits, just attack it as it moves across the map. don't rely on spines vs immortals


You would drone hard vs 1 base protoss?


Well the early robo is a giveaway, it's not like there are any other builds that you see 1 base wp harass pvz.


Doesn't the zealot/sentry drop in the main while forcefielding the ramp fit this criteria? That's a pretty fucking obnoxious harass if there ever was one.

JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
January 15 2012 04:51 GMT
#309
Hide this thread. More and more Zerg are aware of it. My win rate with this has dropped from around 90% to about 80%.

Very powerful build but I have encountered a lot of BM after winning with this. I could contribute a lot to the "Confusing BM" thread just because of this build.
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Lobber
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada414 Posts
January 15 2012 04:53 GMT
#310
Oh for anyone who looks at this thread, I haven't done it in the style I wrote up about in weeks... I actually have an economical expand variant that's been working vs good GMs, but follows the same basic idea. Good stuff.
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TechnoSchaman
Profile Joined October 2010
United States156 Posts
January 15 2012 05:12 GMT
#311
On January 15 2012 13:53 Lobber wrote:
Oh for anyone who looks at this thread, I haven't done it in the style I wrote up about in weeks... I actually have an economical expand variant that's been working vs good GMs, but follows the same basic idea. Good stuff.

ummmmm this sounds sick, replays plox?
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 05:49:26
January 15 2012 05:48 GMT
#312
On January 15 2012 13:53 Lobber wrote:
Oh for anyone who looks at this thread, I haven't done it in the style I wrote up about in weeks... I actually have an economical expand variant that's been working vs good GMs, but follows the same basic idea. Good stuff.


Please provide a replay. If you follow the OP it is definitely an all-in. I would be interested in the expansion timing of your "economical" variant of this build as I have been trying different variations myself in custom games. The problem is that I feel like my expansion timing is too late. Robo before Expansion doesn't seem to cut it, especially when you don't do an insane amount of damage to the Zerg.
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Lobber
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada414 Posts
January 15 2012 06:31 GMT
#313
I'm thinking of making a large guide of "one base PvZ, with a large number of replays (~5) replays/strategy with maybe ~20 builds shown, and a pretty extensive write up on all the builds/replays... Might be a few weeks in coming though, I really like robo/immortal based builds, not a lot of other 1 base styles though, but testing them all might be nice... I'll see how it goes over the next couple days.

I'm actually liking the idea of spending all my games testing slightly weird, and more fun entertaining strategies, and trying to make them valid to win games, even if the strategy is known. It should making games more fun to play, and expand my knowledge... Maybe I will make this a thing.
You are not your APM, you are not you ladder ranking.
SonOfRollon
Profile Joined January 2012
France1 Post
January 15 2012 14:55 GMT
#314
I juste created my TL account 3 minutes ago. Before that I've been a lurker for 2 years on TL. And I finally made an account to thank you ! I was getting tired of all the strategies and you really show us the potential of the Protoss with this BO. I just love it.
One more time thanks for your contribution, it is really helpful.
CcCFlu
Profile Joined February 2011
Switzerland68 Posts
January 15 2012 16:43 GMT
#315
You really needed a thread to show you the potential of protoss?!?
Its a nice build imo, but if the zerg can surround ur army in the center of the map it might get tricky
For the fucking sworm!!!
staples2
Profile Joined December 2010
United States216 Posts
January 15 2012 18:35 GMT
#316
I would really like to see a more economical version of this build, feels kind dirty to do a one base all in. It has the stench of 5 racks no gas or marine scv all in
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Dubsy
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada186 Posts
January 15 2012 20:47 GMT
#317
Maybe it's just me but the thought of immortals and warp prism off of one base in PvZ is going to be all in regardless. I don't think you can expand behind that without doing ridiculous damage and still be in the game. You basically need to get the Main or natural hatch or at very least a few queens drones and the pool.

Could be wrong though.
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RemarK
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States452 Posts
January 16 2012 00:48 GMT
#318
On January 15 2012 15:31 Lobber wrote:
I'm thinking of making a large guide of "one base PvZ, with a large number of replays (~5) replays/strategy with maybe ~20 builds shown, and a pretty extensive write up on all the builds/replays... Might be a few weeks in coming though, I really like robo/immortal based builds, not a lot of other 1 base styles though, but testing them all might be nice... I'll see how it goes over the next couple days.

I'm actually liking the idea of spending all my games testing slightly weird, and more fun entertaining strategies, and trying to make them valid to win games, even if the strategy is known. It should making games more fun to play, and expand my knowledge... Maybe I will make this a thing.


Do it! I love the warp prism all-in now, it frankly reminds me of a PvZ 1-1-1, in the sense that if the Zerg doesn't respond properly, he will auto-lose. Kind of like how most Protosses had no clue what to do vs 1-1-1 for a decent time :p I've become pretty competent at executing this warp prism all-in, if you'd like to teach me the other builds and want help writing the guides I'd be glad to help out in any way possible
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Depravity
Profile Joined December 2011
67 Posts
January 16 2012 00:53 GMT
#319
This is absolutely FANTASTIC . I have always had trouble with PVZ because i could never learn how to pressure, WITH THIS - I actually have a 80% chance of winning. If not more . I'll post replays soon . Im a high masters toss
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Lobber
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada414 Posts
January 16 2012 01:00 GMT
#320
On January 16 2012 09:48 soLremarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2012 15:31 Lobber wrote:
I'm thinking of making a large guide of "one base PvZ, with a large number of replays (~5) replays/strategy with maybe ~20 builds shown, and a pretty extensive write up on all the builds/replays... Might be a few weeks in coming though, I really like robo/immortal based builds, not a lot of other 1 base styles though, but testing them all might be nice... I'll see how it goes over the next couple days.

I'm actually liking the idea of spending all my games testing slightly weird, and more fun entertaining strategies, and trying to make them valid to win games, even if the strategy is known. It should making games more fun to play, and expand my knowledge... Maybe I will make this a thing.


Do it! I love the warp prism all-in now, it frankly reminds me of a PvZ 1-1-1, in the sense that if the Zerg doesn't respond properly, he will auto-lose. Kind of like how most Protosses had no clue what to do vs 1-1-1 for a decent time :p I've become pretty competent at executing this warp prism all-in, if you'd like to teach me the other builds and want help writing the guides I'd be glad to help out in any way possible


And a lot like the 1-1-1 there's a lot of different variations, a lot of different timings and compositions with the warp prism haras, it could even be some sort of 4 gate warp prism all in, they don't really know. You can go colossus, immortal, sentry heavy, or anything really... Good adaptive style.
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