EPT[D] Is 6 pool overpowerd? - Page 15
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Nothingtosay
United States875 Posts
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On October 11 2011 07:12 eugalp wrote: You are only missing one piece in your wall - the forge. You will not be THAT far behind if you just make another gateway instead, which you will need later on anyway. A lot of builds require or include a second gateway regardless (Kiwikaki's build for example). Also if it is just a roach ling pressure (not an all in) then it doesn't come until later. Again, yes, you make a small (IMO) sacrifice for safety. You can't have everything. Umm that's actually a pretty big sacrifice for safety... you can sac the forge and pylon and be pretty close to even. You have one huge hole in your analysis. If you put the first pylon at your main, you DO NOT have a pylon at your front until way later (most FFE builds get a late 2nd pylon). So if facing an 11 overpool or a 13 pool with the first four lings sent to your base... your'e stuck. You essentially can't place that second pylon because his lings are outside. They can either go into your base and cause havoc or just prevent you from walling off or putting down your nexus. | ||
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eugalp
United States203 Posts
On October 11 2011 09:23 FairForever wrote: Umm that's actually a pretty big sacrifice for safety... you can sac the forge and pylon and be pretty close to even. You have one huge hole in your analysis. If you put the first pylon at your main, you DO NOT have a pylon at your front until way later (most FFE builds get a late 2nd pylon). So if facing an 11 overpool or a 13 pool with the first four lings sent to your base... your'e stuck. You essentially can't place that second pylon because his lings are outside. They can either go into your base and cause havoc or just prevent you from walling off or putting down your nexus. I did mention that an early (but not 6) pool will have an advantage because they will be able to deny your exp. Testing needs to be done to see which pools exactly will be able to stop the expand. I strongly suspect that 13 pool will be too late, especially on big maps like TDA. You may need an 11 pool or earlier. But then you are cutting workers. Anyway, those pool timings are not exactly common. The problem is that being only "pretty close to even" vs a build like a 6 pool that makes a HUGE sacrifice in economy is not where you want to be. | ||
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willyallthewei
United States265 Posts
I am having a lot of issues coming out even or ahead after surviving the initial rush. Does anyone know the standard gas timings after the cannon is in the mineral line so that I can be safe against continual pressure while not falling behind on tech/economy? Banelings as a followup I'm finding very difficult to respond to as well, especially if he doesn't show all his lings and I'm deceived into believing that he is droning up/teching behind the 6 pool, i have no way to scout without running my zealots out into the open where the lings can surround. I'm totally dumbfounded by the 6 pool when i FFE; wish someone would make a guide on standard defense of this cheese. | ||
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freetgy
1720 Posts
your first reaction to a 6 pool (after doing everything to defend it) is to hide your scouting probe well enough to scout a expansion, reinforcement, and drone count. This information is important to decide what you need to do. What is important for me was aways keep the economic lead on your side, meaning. Build a second canon if needed, but your free to boost probes Just make sure that you keep the economic lead that is essential to keep the pressure on the Zerg side after doing the all-in. If he goes for an expansion you should be safe anyway, if he want to stay all-in by transitioning into another all-in, feel free to add additional structures keep you alive. (if your opponent doesn't expect it you might try to counter canon rush him) also don't forget, you can afford to trade 1:1 ressource wise against the zerg that is all-in because you have the economic lead. This means if you trade those zealots efficiently (minimum 1:1 ressource wise), he has to make a decision ultimately to reinforce or back out, which will work out for you. | ||
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