EPTDoes anyone have a really optimized 2gate stargate build? I've been doing zealot-stalker-zealot-stargate and it's been working fine for me but I'd like some crisp timings to practice.
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SwordfishConspiracy
United States146 Posts
Does anyone have a really optimized 2gate stargate build? I've been doing zealot-stalker-zealot-stargate and it's been working fine for me but I'd like some crisp timings to practice. | ||
monk
United States8477 Posts
On September 27 2011 23:42 SwordfishConspiracy wrote: This is a great post. I've been looking for a solid opening in each matchup so I can practice my mechanics and game sense without having to worry about choosing a build. Does anyone have a really optimized 2gate stargate build? I've been doing zealot-stalker-zealot-stargate and it's been working fine for me but I'd like some crisp timings to practice. I recommend you watch hero vs shelth on shattered temple from the last MLG. | ||
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MetalLobster
Canada532 Posts
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sjschmidt93
United States2518 Posts
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AmericanUmlaut
Germany2594 Posts
So here's my question: With the advent of the 1-1-1, can 2-gate robo expand still be considered a "safe" opener? Can it scout the all-in coming and respond to it with an army that can hold the push? | ||
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DarQraven
Netherlands553 Posts
This way you won't have to figure out if 2gate robo can scout 1/1/1, you can just do the optimal build in the majority of your games. Although, this is platinum level, so it's quite possible my Terran opponents just aren't putting on enough pressure when I 1gate FE. | ||
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Chamby
United States32 Posts
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141155 Antimage did a guide on doing a 1 gate 1 stargate. The whole guide pretty much applies to the 2 gate version of it. You just need to mod the build order which I think becomes: 9 Pylon 12 Gateway#1 14 Gas#1 15 Pylon 17 Cyber Core 18 Gas#2 Zealot (unit#1) Que Stalker (unit#2) and Start WarpGate Tech (Chrono stalker and wg once) [only once each]) Pylon 26 Stargate [4:31] Sentry (unit#3) 31 Gateway#2 34 VoidRay (Chronoboost) Low Ground Pylon 40 Nexus and send VoidRay to Harass Phoenix Forge (before Nexus is done) Recent example of the build in action: + Show Spoiler + Game 3 of Hero vs CrazymoviNG GSL Nov Code A Ro.48 Link | ||
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BoondockVeritas
United States191 Posts
I can't think of up to date super safe pvp stuff, but for pvz http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=232007 has some expo builds from mlg that might pass as safe (up to monk to decide since I'm awful  ). I've been losing quite a ton lately and I'm looking to reevaluate all my openings and styles for each match up. With winter break coming I'm kinda expecting other college students to be looking to play some and if there is an up to date thread on safe builds to get us going again. | ||
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Kingy604
United Kingdom54 Posts
also first TL post  | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On January 04 2012 10:27 Kingy604 wrote: Since the 3-gate super safe expand is labelled as "too safe" what would be a good pvp opener? (i hate doing a 4-gate or being 4-gated) also first TL post I think the 3 stalker Youngwha build is kind of always the safest, transition into robo and twilight play.  3 Stalker Robo (vs. Protoss) | ||
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Geiko
France1991 Posts
On January 04 2012 10:27 Kingy604 wrote: Since the 3-gate super safe expand is labelled as "too safe" what would be a good pvp opener? (i hate doing a 4-gate or being 4-gated) also first TL post It's too safe in master league. If you are not master league it's still a good build to work on. If you feel you've outgrown the build and you can tell by yourself that it is too safe, you can do the same build with only 2 gates and minimal probe cut ( i talk about it in the phoenix thread ). 3 stalker openings are good but much much harder to play. What league are you in ? And welcome to TL | ||
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Kingy604
United Kingdom54 Posts
pvp is by far my worst matchup, 40% winrate verses p against 65% vz and 55% vt so the 3-gate build would be good to use for me until i get much much better? thanks | ||
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Geiko
France1991 Posts
On January 04 2012 10:56 Kingy604 wrote: just got promoted to gold start of this season pvp is by far my worst matchup, 40% winrate verses p against 65% vz and 55% vt so the 3-gate build would be good to use for me until i get much much better? thanks Yes defensive three gate is very very good at this level. Follow it up with a robo and you're set for the mid game You can try experimenting yourself with it and see what you can cut etc... based on how confortable you feel. PvP is one of the most personalized match-up, I don't think anyone does the same BO. You have to chose a build, and adapt it to your playstyle | ||
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Kingy604
United Kingdom54 Posts
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aviator116
United States820 Posts
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Geiko
France1991 Posts
On January 04 2012 11:33 aviator116 wrote: do you have any idea what the general BO from inori's 3gate is? he consistently is able to stop 4gates, even on tald'arim altar, without using sentries and ends up having a better army and better economy than his opponent. i've tried looking at the VODs and searching for it myself, but nothing showed up. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=275640 But you should ask this in the protoss help me thread. | ||
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monk
United States8477 Posts
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MajorBurden
Norway2 Posts
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00Visor
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