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Steel
Japan2283 Posts
One question though. Do you implement infestors in your play? If so, when? Ultralisks are 'good' but can be kited quite well and are not very cost effective against mech in general and marines. You'll need infestors for it. Also if you fail to kill them with ultras, do you tech switch to broodlords ever? I'll go watch the replays to get more insight. Thanks! | ||
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aXa
France748 Posts
I don't like broodlord, viking counter them so easily, and they already have the infrastructure for them. | ||
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
What kills me? Ultralisks. Touche on this guide my friend  | ||
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prdks
Canada8 Posts
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GinDo
3327 Posts
I personally see most Zergs are playing to passive 1) Not harassing with mutas constantly 2) Not taking map control. If you note in BW Zergs would engage in the middle of the map or near the opponents base, chipping at the Terran push. | ||
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crbox
Canada1181 Posts
You should definitely watch for those pesky marine drops! Also, keep an eye on your minimap for nyduses | ||
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aXa
France748 Posts
So i have some fun replays for today: [url blocked] Against mech. I turtle myself against BFH, then go for a very effective mass roach burrow [url blocked] This one is for fun. After holding a 3 rax pressure (lol) i go straight into ultra. Total no match Enjoy | ||
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RobCorso
United States111 Posts
1. Air 2. 1/1/1 Are you to say that you should scout and have tech ready (as tech for zerg is easy to tech switch). ? You can have mutas and corruptors out to attack air, but wouldn't it be wiser to mass produce something other than zerglings when your small ling army dies? Otherwise, Very nice guide, I might try it some time :D Definately recommending it to my friends who main only zerg | ||
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aXa
France748 Posts
That's how you do it ! | ||
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KangaRuthless
United States304 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + Game 4 is on the way. Hope you guys enjoy these! I am new at casting so pardon the stuttering and repetition. Also, feedback and comments are welcome! | ||
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aXa
France748 Posts
About 3rd game, double spire was actually a mistake, so i decided to go double upgrade and brood lord indeed because of it. Ups ! Double roach warren was intentional though  I realized i've made a lot of progress since i uploaded this replays, it's great to see. I just can't wait to see the 4th one ! | ||
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Stardroid
United Kingdom159 Posts
Great to see you agree about the burrow OLspeed discussion vs mutas! Those winged beasties need special commitment of their own and muta/ling is a poor way to consolidate this style imo... I wonder if I can ask you whether you have tried going for an in-base hatch (at 14) before taking the natural? The extra larva is just what a zergling-centric style needs, and you can saturate your bases very quickly given the opportunity, and also make more lings quicker. Of course it delays your expand, but you're looking to get game control quickly rather than build a two-base economy quickly (the standard style). So what do you think? Best Stardroid WFS | ||
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aXa
France748 Posts
Usually, a macro hatch before expands means all in of one base. My goal is indeed to take early control of the game, but it is also to saturate 2 base quickly. Actually, you must saturate your 2 base with 50 drone at least and THEN start the zergling production. It differs from "standard style", which is to get an earlier third, try to drone up some and then only make unit if needed. | ||
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Xanbatou
United States805 Posts
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aXa
France748 Posts
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Xanbatou
United States805 Posts
On September 08 2011 03:00 aXa wrote: Roach and burrow, against mech it's really powerful. Gonna show you a replay Yeah, if I know they are going mech, sometimes I will go massive roach drop. That way all their tanks are useless, and they are bound to have a bunch since they are going mech. The problem is, I've played a couple terrans that basically go marine helion. Helions basically rape all my zerglings, and the stimmed marines can rape all my roaches. So I am not sure what to do against that. | ||
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aXa
France748 Posts
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Stardroid
United Kingdom159 Posts
Best Stardroid | ||
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Schnullerbacke13
Germany1199 Posts
On September 08 2011 03:38 Stardroid wrote: Thanks for your reply aXa, I understand having a macro hatch is great and it's great that you have one in your BO. I think there might be a good point in letting your macro hatch actually finish first before planting your expansion, as it allows perhaps for extra defence. Planting the macro as early as you say seems like you've dumped 600 minerals in a reall short timeframe without any larva in play until your expansion completes. In an extreme situation you might have to sac the expansion before it finishes, then either have to wait for the macro hatch to finish or sac that one too. I'm told a small marine push can come at 5 mins is that right? Maybe I'm being pedantic about it, but I think that being able to drone from 2 hatches is possible whichever hatch you go for first, and the in-base one is safer. By the time you're fully saturated on one base you'll have had your expo up anyway, so there's really no harm...? Best Stardroid i played that for some time 16 pool 15 macro hatch ~18 expansion hatch (round 4'00..4'30). you delay second queen to afford this. while this is a pretty robust build (you may even come back when losing nat), you will oversaturate your main because expansion is somewhat late. If you choose to play agressive early on its ok, since you anyway will build a bunch of lings, so no oversaturation happens. Anyway only do macro before exe if the expansion is blocked. However as my injects got better i ended up delaying the macrohatch up to 5'30..6'30. Still a good 2x2 build if you scout heavy rush play incoming (block choke with hatch + queen to fend of mass hellion). | ||
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Veriol
Czech Republic502 Posts
). I feel like Im 100% more cost efficient with my muta/ling/infestor its just insane  . My practice partners Ive played 50/50 I just crush now unless they go marine/BFH and I dont scout that in time (but thaths mostly me beeing bad).Also i feel like ling/infestor alone is best at beating this comp rather then roaches but that needs more games .The only thing Im little not sure about is the initial gas timing + how many gas you take i feel like i dont actually need 6 gas on 3 base coz i pump so much lings i keep floating my gas pretty high untill i get to T3. | ||
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