[G] aXa's ZvT: Let's start the agression - Page 7

On September 08 2011 22:54 00Visor wrote:
I really like the Idea of mass upgraded lings, and neglect banes in early game.

I tested your build and I think there is a big hole after your investments at 28/28.
The blind investment of 2 spines, 2 evos, 5 set of lings and then macro hatch, extractor, 2 additional queens, leaves you with only 16-18 drones at ~6:00.
You then put 6 drones in gas, so only 10-12 on minerals. You could catch up in drones very quickly because of larvae, but I feel you really lack minerals at this point.

I think that 2 spines, 4 queens and 7 sets of lings are too much of blind defense. Especially 2 spines, if you have 2 than 4 queens vs hellions and want to fight in open space anyways.
Another idea is to not take drones of gas, get only one evo, and upgrade attack, then armor. You get your first ugrade faster, the second a bit later, and you safe 2 drones early for additional evo and exctractor.

On September 09 2011 04:28 DW-Unrec wrote:
Your build is not viable in high level, you trade early minerals (that could've been lings or drones) for a macro hatch. You trade early minerals (by putting drones on gas non-stop) for gas. You trade early economy (drones) for 2 blind spines and 2 evo chambers. You trade tech for upgrades. There is NO way you can play vs terran without mutas.

If terran do all-harass builds, you have no banelings to bust the bunkers. If the terran go hellions and medivacs, you'll have no mutalisks. If terran doesnt do anything (like newbies macro macro macro then do one big push), then your build is good.

On September 09 2011 04:39 DW-Unrec wrote:
TL has to stop using "You did not posted an argument" as an excuse. I DO posted my argument. If you cant see it, read the whole post.

Why im wrong? You sacrifice early minerals to make what, lings? As you said on OP, "50 lings at 10 minutes is not the same as 50 lings at 15."

This is not a troll post. Can i add you on SC? I'd like to talk to you, but i hate PMs.

On September 09 2011 04:38 aXa wrote:
Don't bother yourself. He believes that i get 2 early gas which is exactly what i do NOT do. He said he watched replays but he must be blind or something.

On September 09 2011 04:42 DW-Unrec wrote:


You make 1 gas, and mine it non-stop. Plus you build 2 evos and 2 spines. This means less minerals.

On September 09 2011 04:42 DW-Unrec wrote:



You won 5 games where the terran a moves into 80 lings. This is code A?

On September 09 2011 04:48 DW-Unrec wrote:
speed is less minerals. But its worth it. Macro hatch is less minerals, but its worth. Early +1/+1 is less minerals, but is not worth it. Why? Because you are commiting to lings and banelings. And I dont see adaptation, since you blindly make 2 spines. Always.

On September 09 2011 04:56 DW-Unrec wrote:
"I don't produce ling until i have 50 drone."

You said you in OP you like to makes lings, be safe, then drone.

" +1 +1 is a long term advantage. "

Indeed, thats good in macro games. Watch sheth vs select on shattered temple. All I see while I watch this is "if sheth had less minerals, he would'nt be able to afford any drones and lings. Why? Beucase select is harassing non-stop.


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Ah, my strongest argument this build is weak is because you play vs newbies. Who a moves with unsieged tanks on creep on code A?

On September 09 2011 05:10 wBsKillian wrote:
It's certainly viable in ladder (btw big thanks to aXa, i also use your ZvZ guide).
In my opinion you can't play this all the time on pro level, any smart player in a best of X series will just start playing more defensive and more macro heavy when he sees this several times.