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KangaRuthless
United States304 Posts
On October 14 2011 02:54 aXa wrote: Just watched it all, you did a great job ! As your biggest fan, i will suggest you to work your minimap awareness. Anyway, i hope you'll recover soon  Gz !Thanks for the wishes! I really do need to work on minimap awareness, whether casting or playing. This is why I get wrecked by Drop play so much :S | ||
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baba44713
83 Posts
Anyways, I'm growing a bit fond of this banelingless strategy, but the exact BO is giving me trouble, particularly the 28/28 bit. I just don't have nowhere enough mins for speed, 2 crawlers, 2 evos, 5 sets of lings AND a 6:00 macro hatch+2 queens. I know that as Zerg I shouldn't be sticking to BOs too closely but this discrepancy between my minerals and stuff I need to build seems just a bit too large. And sadly enough all the replays swerve from this BO at 16/26 mark so it's hard to see in action what I'm doing wrong. So yeah.. any nudge in the right direction greatly appreciated. | ||
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00Visor
4337 Posts
On October 18 2011 21:22 baba44713 wrote: Disclaimer: I'm still a scrub in this game (low Plat), so please don't give me flak if my question is stupid. Anyways, I'm growing a bit fond of this banelingless strategy, but the exact BO is giving me trouble, particularly the 28/28 bit. I just don't have nowhere enough mins for speed, 2 crawlers, 2 evos, 5 sets of lings AND a 6:00 macro hatch+2 queens. I know that as Zerg I shouldn't be sticking to BOs too closely but this discrepancy between my minerals and stuff I need to build seems just a bit too large. And sadly enough all the replays swerve from this BO at 16/26 mark so it's hard to see in action what I'm doing wrong. So yeah.. any nudge in the right direction greatly appreciated. The build order should really be refined, I posted something similar some pages ago. Even if you have the minerals for all that, it leaves you with 3 hatches, 4 queens, but very few drones mining minerals. So you can't even use the larvae for mass speedling or droning up. I think you should get one spine and one evo at 28/28. Delaying all the other stuff a bit. | ||
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aXa
France748 Posts
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baba44713
83 Posts
I kinda like one spine+evo, feels comfy and secure, so that was how I was doing it. However with 2 drones one extractor my biggest problem was getting rid of excess gas, especially with no second evo to dump it for +1 armor. In any case, I was messing it up big time after 28/28, so a replay which would streamline this for me would be a godsend.  | ||
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Ahelvin
France1866 Posts
).Thank you very much ! | ||
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rustypipe
Canada206 Posts
On October 18 2011 21:41 aXa wrote: I actually don't get two spines anymore but straight up 4 queen. What you have to understand, you are not supposed to have enough minerals to do it all at once. Just do it when you can afford it. Gonna post a replay where it is clear. I also like this build very much as it suits my play style however, the one problem I find is once a decent number of medivacs are out you need banes or infestors fast!. I notice in aXa games he goes infestors but since the nurf I find this troublesome at times as they are so freaking slow! so i've been working a bit of banelings in. I even had a game where my lings where 3-3 cracklings to his 1-1 marines with 5-8 medivacs and his marine balls would JUST NOT DIE with infestors  The medivac's where healing as fast as FG was producing damage. Any thoughts on how to get around this ? as I'd like to avoid banes if possible | ||
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Morik
65 Posts
9 ovie 13 scout (build assumes you lose the scout, so if you don't, you'll be a bit ahead) 15 hatch 16 pool 18 gas (mine to 100, then pull drones) 17 ovie 18 2x queens, 2 sets of lings. Both queens use first energy for a creep tumor. 26-28: depending on how you transfered drones and a few other things, you'll be around 26-28 when you get 100 gas. Start ling speed as soon as you can afford it 28: spine crawler 27: spine crawler 26: overlord 26: put drones back in gas 26: lings to help vs hellions (due to the later pool & gas, you hit this point earlier than in axa's build) After you've got 5 sets of lings up, or while waiting for the ovie to pop, build an evo keep droning, work on saturating your mineral fields a bit. I found that I had enough larvae to not need the macro hatch right away. I dropped the macro hatch as ling speed finished, right around 6:40, and dropped a second evo chamber, got another gas. Get the extra queens, and definitely keep up on injects. You should have a good number of drones by around 7:30, and able to start pumping lings. I've only run through this build a few times in solo mode, but found that I liked the drone count a lot better. The downsides are: - slower pool means harder to hold off bunker/2-rax aggression - slower speed means harder to punish early aggression, and harder to hold it off - The macro hatch timing could be earlier if you want, but I find that getting my econ up a bit more before dropping it was better. I'll probably have a better sense after I've played some real games with this though. Anyway, wanted to throw this out there for others to play with too, while I try testing it in real games. | ||
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Trakky
95 Posts
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Morik
65 Posts
I do tend to get +1/+1 before lair. Always the +1 attack, usually the carapace too, but sometimes I skip it if I want faster infestors/mutas, depending on the situation. I'll post replays when I get them (unless no one cares since I'm just plat ). | ||
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Linz
Belgium151 Posts
Very well written, I'm using it to great success lately | ||
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MaV_gGSC
Canada1345 Posts
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KiinG PurP
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aXa
France748 Posts
On October 30 2011 08:50 KiinG PurP wrote: Fuck you took my build Ive been doing this since the beginning, it has allowed me to look decent when I really am not that good lol Who cares? | ||
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KiinG PurP
5 Posts
like my +2 attack roach timing attack in zvz it is what took over, I just never had the ability with the keyboard to make it to GM if this game used controllers it would be a different story aint complaining just saying | ||
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aXa
France748 Posts
On October 30 2011 11:03 KiinG PurP wrote: ^now people will start recognizing it and metagame will change, I always have to keep making new strats to beat the meta game. like my +2 attack roach timing attack in zvz it is what took over, I just never had the ability with the keyboard to make it to GM if this game used controllers it would be a different story aint complaining just saying Who cares? | ||
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fish83814
Taiwan98 Posts
would you please add in some more detailed content on how to deal with a mass hellion opening?? i found that with mass hellion openings, i can't control the watch towers and i have no way to know whether my opponent is attacking or not.....which makes me unable to build enough lings before the attack hits also if i rush for roaches immediately, i am quite vulnerable against heavy tank compositions such as pure mech or some strange marine tank timings without stim or combat shield | ||
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aXa
France748 Posts
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fish83814
Taiwan98 Posts
On November 07 2011 00:35 aXa wrote: Here is a replay you might find instructive [url blocked] I've watched the replay, it was a nice game shocked me how well roaches work right under the tanks in your experience, is this burrowed roaches strategy always gonna achieve something(of course it will be too much to hope for it to ends up like this game every time), or if you sometimes needs to be a little bit lucky? it kinda feels like your opponent didn't reacted very well if you don't think it will always work, can you tell me like what triggers you to do that in that game?(the map, the enemy's openings, the weather......something like that^^) | ||
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aXa
France748 Posts
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