The Terran Help Me Thread - Page 70

On November 15 2011 10:35 upperbound wrote:

If you're not at the right number of units, you need to practice the build more. It's a pretty simple build order and at early timing pushes, even something like 1 marauder and 1 marine can make a huge, huge difference. If you can get up to that 50 supply number, that will probably correlate with an improvement in your overall macro.

I have had small delays in my timings hurt me dramatically in my results. For example, today I got supply blocked at 27 for about 10 seconds due to trying out an earlier expand timing in my double reactor hellion opening, and the 10-12 second delay in the timing allowed his first creep tumor to get out and his spines to move out to the choke on Antiga before my hellions got there to stop this. He then got to drone freely and transition into 2 base muta, when normally this build keeps muta numbers low by putting on constant pressure at the natural.

Small variations in key timings can make a huge, huge difference in your play. Don't underestimate this.

On November 16 2011 02:30 Pokebunny wrote:

TvZ: 2 rax pressure -> expo or reactor hellion expo, into marine tank medivac
TvP: 1 rax gasless FE on big maps, 2 rax reactor/tech pressure into expo on small/medium maps
TvT: not sure, really. If you want to be safe and go for a macro game even if you're a little behind against FE builds, raven expand into marine tank medivac is decent. If you want to go for early game harass, cloak banshee into the same midgame is solid as well.

On November 17 2011 01:03 TheDwf wrote:

Hi,

Some comments about the game :

Make your bunker at the natural closer to your Command Center (you can't pull SCVs in time if the bunker is that far).

Take both gasses at 23 supply in order to start Stim and constant Marauder production straightaway.

Going 5 rax without teching Ghosts/Medivacs after this opening pretty much means you have to hit him around 9' or 10' with your forces, since your Vikings or Ghosts will be too late to deal with Colossi or HTs after. Getting Starport before building +2 rax is more standard. 3 lab and 2 reactors would be more appropriate than 3 reactors and 2 lab.

Get Reactor on your Factory, then swap Factory with Starport and use your Factory to scout.

When you tech Starport, get your gasses at your natural in order to be able to constantly produce Medivacs or Vikings. You'll need gas later for Ghosts, anyway.

You did not scout his Colossi, and after you did you had 3 Medivacs and 2 Vikings queued up in your Starport. No Viking out against 4 Colossi = lose, simple as that. As pointed above, you should have Starport earlier; once you scout Colossi and you don't have any Vikings yet, you should at least try to build an additional Starport (with Reactor !). You lost because you did not get enough Vikings to deal with his Colossi; you did not have enough Vikings because you did not get Reactors on your Starports.

On November 17 2011 01:50 TheDwf wrote:

Around this time, yes (since they're expensive), or as soon as you see the Protoss heading towards High Templars.


Shortly : first macro (you had 2.5k minerals at 12' !), second unit composition (you need way more Marines against Zealots/Archons; and to make mass Marines, you need Reactors on your Barracks). Your Medivacs were too late; you should have used drops to scout what tech path he had chosen. You did not use all your Ghost energy at the fight near his third; you really need to bomb all the Archons with EMPs. You also need to hit & run with your MMM group; otherwise, they will simply melt in a frontal fight. Don't bother with Banshees and/or Ravens. Use your Factory to scout, there's no need to have an idle Lab Factory the whole game in your base.

To sum it up, you should have more Marines than Marauders, enough Ghosts to EMP all his Archons, and you should fight near choke positions with Marauders in front to tank damages; then you hit & run. Your position was good near his third, but you simply did not have enough.

On November 17 2011 02:46 Corridor wrote:
Thanks TheDwf and RoboBob :D

I was facing a lot of terrans in ladder and got caught off-guard by a protoss and panicked (lame excuse for macroing badly), and thanks for the advice! I always thought mass marine was bad against toss due to storm and colossus melting all of them, hence my focus on marauders.

Guess I was wrong. I really have to work on those reactors.

EDIT: Also, can anyone find the 1-1-1 build that MVP did on MC a while ago?

On November 17 2011 01:18 huehuehuehue wrote:
Thank you for your reply! When should i get ghosts btw, when im on 3base?