EPT2 Gate Proxy Zealot Rush - Page 4
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whojohnisgalt
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Snookemz
Australia26 Posts
On January 09 2011 13:47 Bacon-X wrote: Dude... It's FUNNY that's why... and plus i'm just having a good time... Don't try to put me down xD!!! How old are you? You are carrying on like a little child. You might make out that it's funny but deep down you are sad because you know that while you appear to be diamond, you are in actual fact a Bronze player. It's like being praised by your family and friends for a test you cheated on. It just doesn't feel right and deep down you know it was wrong.... | ||
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sharky246
1197 Posts
On January 09 2011 18:34 Snookemz wrote: How old are you? You are carrying on like a little child. You might make out that it's funny but deep down you are sad because you know that while you appear to be diamond, you are in actual fact a Bronze player. It's like being praised by your family and friends for a test you cheated on. It just doesn't feel right and deep down you know it was wrong.... What if this is the norm for diamond? Then he is actually in fact a diamond player. Besides, why macro, when you can cheese for the same results. I'd only tell him to stop cheesing and learn the game if we where talking about sc1 because thats the game where cheese is weak. | ||
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Ponyo
United States1231 Posts
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ZarMulix
United States77 Posts
Most games I face are long drawn out macro games (although I'm zerg so I force it to be) and after watching a lot of replays here looking for help I feel that a lot of gold and silver players tend to be on par with platinum and low diamond players (decent macro, apm 85-100+) and I'm amazed that this diluted diamond league phenomenon is still going on. Anyone trying to get out of the lower league eventually faces others that are also above the average skill level of the league and because these will generally result in a 50-50 chance of winning, no one advances and you have these people who are top of their division, have a lot of games logged, and are way better than everyone else who isn't in the same spot they're in. I guess my point to the OP is, good luck trying to cheese in the lower leagues because I think having the attitude that people are in the lower leagues don't know what they're doing or can't play might disappoint you. Most people like me just didn't mind learning to play on ladder and accumulating a bunch of losses both facing cheese and just experimenting with stuff. Sorry if this is off topic a little, but everyone's discussing something else anyways. | ||
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homeless_guy
United States321 Posts
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Philymaniz
United States177 Posts
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ForTheDr3am
842 Posts
On January 10 2011 00:20 homeless_guy wrote: scouting is key, but, hate to say it, I have seen QXC lose to proxy 2 gate and cannon rush--on his stream of course. Both times he scouted it. IMO, the problem with these builds is that the community has not found a really effective way of dealing with them, a way that has the same success as the strategies themselves. i see many people say 'just scout', but i think that the power of these toss cheeses is that they often succeed even when scouted. Cannon rush? How does a Terran lose against a cannon rush? | ||
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Philymaniz
United States177 Posts
On January 10 2011 00:49 ForTheDr3am wrote: Cannon rush? How does a Terran lose against a cannon rush? They wall themselves behind your mineral mine on xelnaga. | ||
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PatouPower
Canada1119 Posts
On January 09 2011 12:30 5ahj4g wrote: and this is where you realize how little being in diamond means This. 2000 diamond means nothing. Points in this game mean nothing either. I'm around 1700 diamond and get matched against 2700+ diamonds all the time, and I very rarely lose to them. Only because they have 800 games played more than me doesn't mean they know how to play. @OP: This strategy is very old, you can find it on the liquipedia. I'd suggest you to change strategy, because decent players (and i'm not talking about points there) will crush you 100% of the time. You can always use it and be happy because you win more than you lose, but what fun is that? | ||
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Hyperionnn
Turkey4968 Posts
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Bacon-X
United States266 Posts
 interesting thread it was! | ||
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elliminist
Japan121 Posts
I am disappointed by the lack of quality in OP's post. This is a strategy forum, it should now be the point of the thread to analyse every single matchup, opening, and follow through so that the build can be further refined from just pylon gate gate zealot++++. Now that the build has a proven win rate with pros doing it as well, it needs to be analysed in depth and studied to maximum effect. Without this analysis, it's just a 'look I'm diamond herp derp' post in the wrong forum. Don't disappoint me OP. | ||
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Bacon-X
United States266 Posts
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iChau
United States1210 Posts
On January 10 2011 01:49 Bacon-X wrote: ^ I'll try not to, I'll see if I hit this "wall", and I will report when I do, If i will that is. The wall will be soon if you meet players that actually have a clue of what's happening within their base. On January 10 2011 01:57 knL wrote: Iam a 2800T and in my opinion this is the most powerful cheese out there at least as T. I usually try to build 1 bunker inside my mineral line and one afterwards outside to protect my rax. But 1 little mistake and iam fucked. I think i lose at least 80% of the time. 50% from the initial cheese and the other 50% from the economical damage of the cheese. Iam pretty clueless of a effective way to stop 2 proxygate. If someone got a replay i would be happy  There's probably no way to stop the proxy 2 gate if it goes down. The reason is that zealots are so damn strong early-game because there's no concussive shells or stim. This means that zealots almost destroys everything cost-for-cost against terran. You have to scout it, pull probes off and destroy the pylon as fast as you can while sending another probe to hunt down the damn cheese probe. While the zealots are just ripping you apart, he could be macro-ing up, so you probably lost. Scouting is already hard to do though and you should be aware that there is a very high possibility of the proxy 2 gate happening if you're on a 1v1 map against protoss. Also, while destroying the pylon it's a good idea to throw down a bunker near/in the mineral line because if 2 zealots slip out it's gonna hurt. For the scouting part, I think it's a good idea to first scout with the 9 depot for the enemy base and then scout around your base and outside your base with the 13 rax scv. The bad thing about terran is scv's must stay on the building though so that sucks. Protoss just warps in and scouts. xD | ||
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knL
Germany400 Posts
Iam pretty clueless of a effective way to stop 2 proxygate. If someone got a replay i would be happy | ||
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Bacon-X
United States266 Posts
http://www.mediafire.com/?jvnn1xc93lcpcsy | ||
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iChau
United States1210 Posts
On January 10 2011 02:20 Bacon-X wrote: Here is an example of last game, where I was scouted very early and the opponent knew what was going on. Yet I still won: http://www.mediafire.com/?jvnn1xc93lcpcsy Watching replay. Will edit when done. edit: That was literally dumb. The opponent did not respond correctly at all. He throws up a cannon despite the fact that a zealot is almost complete. He could've EASILY pulled his probes and destroy the warping gateways before they completed. Why would anyone try to throw up a cannon when there is 2 gateways almost complete within your base? There's NOTHING defending the gateways besides 1 probe. Haha, scary. Also, this guy is only 1000 diamond, I'd like to see it working against 2k diamonds. I don't see how some players don't expect cheese and instead want maximum mining time, that is very risky against cheese. I think it's actually a good idea to put the pylon where you would normally wall off (power field touching ramp) so that you can see the probe going in. You don't have to necessarily wall in, because you can place the buildings away from the ramp. Yes, the pylon is vulnerable, but what can kill it until late-game? By the time a zealot is coming to your base from his own to attack, you can easily have a zealot and a stalker on the way due to travel distance. The pylon is there just there as a cheese-detector and has saved me many times. | ||
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threehundred
Canada911 Posts
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Bacon-X
United States266 Posts
I'd like to see it working against 2k diamonds. Ok here, Rank 7 Diamond with 2374 points: http://www.mediafire.com/?ig6k3r9zid71clw | ||
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