EPTgood luck when you try a real build, you'll lose that diamond ranking pretty quickly.
i just lost a significant amount of respect for the league system...
2 Gate Proxy Zealot Rush - Page 3
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mjheagle
United States13 Posts
good luck when you try a real build, you'll lose that diamond ranking pretty quickly. i just lost a significant amount of respect for the league system... | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
On January 09 2011 12:20 Bacon-X wrote: Mission Complete! I cheesed my way to diamond! =D =D =D hahahahaha Although you've reached your goal in diamond, I figure it will probably become a problem to stay in diamond you probably won't proxy 2 gate EVERY single game forever and your original skill was bronze. Also, yes, this sort of build has been around forever and has been done since beta EDIT: BTW, after reading the rest of the thread, let's not flame the guy. He just made diamond and he's happy about it. And @author: people around here don't take too kindly to cheese  especially when it's done over and over and over | ||
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SheaR619
United States2399 Posts
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gangstarr
United States68 Posts
On January 09 2011 13:47 Bacon-X wrote: Dude... It's FUNNY that's why... and plus i'm just having a good time... Don't try to put me down xD!!! Yes, we're all glad you're having fun. Go play against the computer on very easy and use this strategy if you want to have fun. It's sad that people still use this on the ladder. Eventually you'll hit a wall and end up back in Bronze where you belong. | ||
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TrANCE,
301 Posts
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Paradice
New Zealand431 Posts
On January 09 2011 12:50 Nukm_ wrote: the question is, why would you want to cheese yourself into diamond? sooner or later you want to actually play and learn the game and then you are fucked cause you are just not on the same level with those guys in a straight up game The thing is... if you were a bronze-skill level player and you wanted to get better at the game, you'll improve faster by playing against diamonds that you will by playing against other bronze players. (see the many, many TL posts about "I can't get out of bronze because my opponents don't make sense!"). The OP will definitely lose a lot of games when he decides to play straight up, but I'm sure he knew this price going in.ll. And to the posts that were all like "but what's the point, diamond doesn't mean anything anyway!?": Unfortunately, it does. No one will respect you (on this forum or anywhere else) if you're not. Just look at the number of times the other leagues are used in a derogatory fashion, everything from "get back to bronze league" to "that might work in platinum but good luck in the real world" I'm sure both are seen here dozens of times a day. So OP might have a very real, out-of-game reason for wanting that icon: For one thing it means he can read forums without feeling belittled. Sorry but it seemed everyone was ganging up on OP because he set himself a goal and achieved it, and was happy about it. Mostly you're just unhappy because you don't want this story to be possible (neither do I, really!), but that's not a reason to take it out on the OP. Good job OP!  [edit: I don't know whether OP cares about forums or not, edited grammar to reflect that] | ||
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gangstarr
United States68 Posts
On January 09 2011 14:41 Paradice wrote: "I can't get out of bronze because my opponents don't make sense!"). You know, I used to believe that. I started scouting a ton more, and regardless of whether or not they make sense: they have to have production structures and their army has to be sitting somewhere. I realized that parking an overseer, observer, or scanning are 3 easy ways to find out all of the information you need without having to guess. As my APM improves, I am able to move a changeling, observer, or fit in a scan without stopping my macro. I actually just make sure that every minute or so I am doing something to make them reveal their plan. Poking at the front with a unit or two always works wonders for army composition. I used to lose in bronze to the 2-gate rush but early scouting can make this push unbelievably easy to stop. It all comes down to scouting. | ||
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Jacobs Ladder
United States1705 Posts
On January 09 2011 14:31 TrANCE, wrote: just like 95% of all tosses. why would you want to be in diamond with no xp of playing games longer than 5minutes, it just goes to show how easy it is to get into diamond with cheese+toss. i've seen this build hundreds of times i probley died to it a handful of times on my part messing up. if thats all you can do is cheese i would definatly get the lube ready for when you start going up in point it may be painful You can get into diamond 2 raxing, 6 pooling, and Banshee rushing too. Its not only toss, its the state of the game that all-ins are GOOD for all races (less so for zerg). Moreover, at lower skill levels games don't last as long. The better you are the better you are at not losing to early pressure, so until you get up a ways you won't get long macro games. | ||
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RaNdOmOwNaGe
Australia51 Posts
Most people actually scout around there base more proactively then the person in that replay, I am not concerned about the amount of people who do proxies, because I have learnt how to scout them, and how to counter them do to the need to do so. If i were to find you on the ladder I would be glad for the free win. **** BUT I now realize why you might do this, yes you are going to lose a lot IF you ever want to play normally, but you will definitely improve very fast because you are playing against people of high caliber. Maybe you should just see how long it takes to get to the 'wall' that you cant brake, turn into normal mode, and try to stay in diamond. | ||
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Proximo
38 Posts
Honestly, it just goes to show how cheesy SC2's early game can be. It's absolutely pathetic that someone can move up 4 leagues and defeat better players with one super cheesy all-in tactic. It seriously makes me question the core fundamentals of the game. | ||
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GFree
Singapore71 Posts
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RaNdOmOwNaGe
Australia51 Posts
I would say the fundamental that is getting abused by this proxy gate is scouting, if you scout for cheese you will find it, the hard-counter to most "cheeses" are getting scouted, so scout harder/better and this stuff will not happen | ||
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Proximo
38 Posts
However, an auto-win 4 minutes into a game is a pretty big reward simply becasue someone didn't scout thoroughly enough. That replay honestly made me want to puke, pathetic that you can end a game that fast against someone who is better then you are. | ||
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frumpylumps
61 Posts
went all the way from silver to diamond today with protoss. | ||
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Luoson
New Zealand153 Posts
When ever playing PVP i always place my pylon and gateway next to each other, one 'cannon' spot away, so if i am proxyed i can wall off a cannon rather easily with the forge and another plyon This is the most effective way and you can still mine gas to tech | ||
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Dhezballah
Australia12 Posts
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Leaky
United States176 Posts
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palanq
United States761 Posts
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michaelhasanalias
Korea (South)1231 Posts
seems like this is relevant... not sure why this is still open after 3 pages, but really... there's nothing new offered here and no substance really. It's great that we understand how watered down diamond is and will be until the next ladder reset. Naturally the top 20% of a game played by millions isn't going to mean that much. To the OP, If you want to become a good player, you need to formulate real strategies. Double proxy gate, while not as good as it was before zealot build time was increased 5 seconds, is still enough to get you into the highest league right now, and it's a quick win. That said, you're committing to a strategy that only works against a bad player you should be beating with normal play. It might be fun, and I suppose it's worth doing if it gets you wins, but really you should be trying to become a better player, rather than wasting all this time cheesing 100% of games. Against players who scout before 20 supply, your strategy is auto-loss. So when you plateau (surprised you haven't already) you're going to plateau hard. | ||
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shucklesors
Singapore1176 Posts
Before the existence of the SC2 pages, the average TLer was a heck of a lot smarter and intelligent than nowadays. | ||
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