[D] Is hatch first really more economical? - Page 6

On November 28 2010 03:28 Darthturtle wrote:


Nothing against your play, but I'm watching this protoss go forge gate cannon in-base and then chrono his gate and not build anything from it.

On November 28 2010 06:06 Vaporized wrote:
i am now a 10 pool/17 hatch convert. won 4 in a row against ~2000 diamond. just dominated.

for the first time i beat a 15 nexus without early roach/ling pressure. this is how i want to play zerg. 17 hatch, and 25 hatch at a third. all three were saturated before he had sent one unit to my base. he brought 3 phoenix and 3 void ray. i had 6 hydras already, and 10 more producing. send the survivors + early lings i had, + ROACHES i rallied. my econ was so good, + larva on three hatches... i could pump ~20 roaches twice. the first wave +hydras took out the nat. the second wave + survivors of the first pushed into his main for the gg.

beat a marine/tank terran. stomped him, he was like wtf after each battle. my army was already rolling by the time he was ready to push, 12 mutas, 20 banelings, 40 lings.

the quicker saturation makes a world of difference in getting your early econ going. feels so much better then 14 hatch. yesterday i couldnt win 14 hatching. today i cant lose 10 pooling. so counterintuitive but i highly recommened trying it.

the one problem is the marine+scv rushes. the timing can be off for having a spine rdy at ur nat. their whole goal is to deny that expansion. maybe i should focus on saturating my main.defending my ramp, and then expanding when he is done sending marines. defending my ramp with spines+lings should completely shut down marine+scv rushes. i will have enough larva to make lings and get a nice drone count going. need to explore this further. but against normal play/ or any toss i will 10 pool.

On November 28 2010 00:20 Shikyo wrote:
Wow, I just did an economic 10pool and DESTROYED some 2150 point diamond Protoss player who was doing 3gate expand. There's 0 possibility of your hatch getting blocked, you can just make 6 lings if needed vs a nexus-first or something, and you will have same economy as a 16hatch. Yep, my new standard ladder build in every MU.

On November 28 2010 00:20 Shikyo wrote:
Wow, I just did an economic 10pool and DESTROYED some 2150 point diamond Protoss player who was doing 3gate expand. There's 0 possibility of your hatch getting blocked, you can just make 6 lings if needed vs a nexus-first or something, and you will have same economy as a 16hatch. Yep, my new standard ladder build in every MU.

On November 28 2010 08:20 SlapMySalami wrote:



God that's so dumb when would you get gas for ling bling ZvZ or would you just get a 10 roach warren??? A 10 pool is hard countered by a 14 pool and I or any other zerg could easily show you that.

That's wrong, do 10pool 10double extractor trick 12ov 12queen, it's amazing(with perfect extractor trick ov finishes the same millisecond as your pool does, but you can just chill and place the pool at 225 or so minerals for a tiny(not even 5 minerals) bit better econ and more reliable timing).

On November 28 2010 14:49 TheOvermind77 wrote:


Let me give it a try vs the build I tried. Is everything else similar after that point?

On November 28 2010 14:55 Shikyo wrote:

I do 12queen 14drone 15drone 16extractor at earliest(ofc you can get this right after queen at 14 supply if needed but it won't be as smooth) etc, a pair of lings at 16-18 supply as needed. You can get the ov at 17 supply and it'll be fine, and expansion hatch at 18 if I expand, if not Roach warren or something.