EPTTried to do this in 2v2 but everytime I massed some marines there was already a tank out, probably wasn't quick enough in that case and quickly dropped this tactic from my arsenal. Back to the 1-1-1 tried, tested and true
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Strutswell
Canada47 Posts
Tried to do this in 2v2 but everytime I massed some marines there was already a tank out, probably wasn't quick enough in that case and quickly dropped this tactic from my arsenal. Back to the 1-1-1 tried, tested and true | ||
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hoopaholik91
United States30 Posts
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me_viet
Australia1350 Posts
The most important thing I've noticed with this build that makes it so hard to stop is that by NOT getting the refinery, your able to plant down a second supply depot relatively early that allows you to block off the scouting worker (unless he sends it earlier than usual). As a Zerg player, if I ever scout a fully wall-off Terran with my first scouting drone, I would just assume it was cause I scouted late/got delayed w/e. THEN when you scout the no add-on on the Rax, the first thing that pops into my head is "Banshee Cheese". Also since it's a marine based cheese, it's hard to scout with overlords if a player has good base awareness as groups of marines on edge of base are usually able to deny overlords before Z sees much. Again all that's seen is probably 5-6 marines which imo is common for a banshee rush. As you all know, defending a Banshee Rush as Z, is very different than an all-in marine attack Don't think I've ever lost with this against my 1k Zerg practice partner when we're doing bo'X'. Note: I'm also a Z 1k player dabbling with T to release stress =P | ||
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RapBreon
Australia2 Posts
I compared that to a standard T bio opening, 12 rax, 13 gas (in my case I got it at 14), 15 orbital, etc. Getting a tech lab on the first rax then plonking down two more rax (no workers cut at any-time), adding reactors to the second two, I got 11 marines, 4 marauders, plus stim, so a 19 food army in comparasion to a 23 food army. I'd be willing to bet 11 marines and 4 marauders with stim would be more effective than 23 marines. Considering the fact no workers at any stage were cut, gas was still gotten and there being enough gas to make a factory / expand / ghost academy / second gas, without gimping your economy or tech, I'd say a solid bio opening would be more effective. My 2 cents from the small amount of testing I did. Could probably squeeze a +1 upgrade in there as well, but that'd be past the first 7 minutes I tested (when the timing push would generally happen). | ||
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cyrusdm
Canada55 Posts
But anyways, I digress - from experience this build can be very powerful. I've had it done to me while laddering on two occasions. Wish I could find the replay. One time I got caught with my pants down and didn't have enough stuff to stop it (Xel'naga expansion bit to far away to defend + defend ramp) The other time it happened on metalopolis and I did scout it with a pair of overlords on each side of his main. A quick baneling nest and a nice flank with sling, blings = the attack got crushed and the guy left. Use it as you see fit I suppose. | ||
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Viruuus
Germany451 Posts
Wanted to drop by and say thank you, since me and a couple of my friends have been using this build a TON in 2on2 3on3 4on4s and weve never lost with it at least in 3on3 and 4on4 Its also easy for my noob friends to pull off (i usually micro the first pack of ~30 marines) and they get the 2nd 3rd pack etc... Its also easily possible to get a refinery after the first 15-20 marines and make 1 techlab for combat shield and some marauders. We always call this the 6-rax build ( one time a new guy built his rax on 6 lol  ) and we all love it alot So again, thanks to you. | ||
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Phrencys
Canada270 Posts
That would also pretty much fix the Stalkers kiting issues. | ||
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hoovehand
United Kingdom542 Posts
if not scouted, you probably win... however: if the zerg has a couple of lings outside your base, or sac overlord, or has watchtower, he'd have time to get spinecrawlers and banelings out. same goes for T or P opponent, all it takes is a scout unit at bottom of your ramp and they should have enough time to prepare. | ||
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EnderCN
United States499 Posts
Against most of my Zerg builds it would have been really strong though, heh. | ||
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Psionith
United States35 Posts
Here's a couple more replays to check out: vs toss http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/85883-1v1-terran-protoss-steppes-of-war vs zerg http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/85882-1v1-terran-zerg-xelnaga-caverns (in this one I actually "transistion" sort of into marines with stim!. I do also attempt to fake him out by building gas while he's scouting and then not using it. Now the people in the replays are just plat like myself, but I have had this work in a similar manner against diamond players as well. I think it's fun, but feels a bit too all-in-ish to do more that once in a while. Success really seems to depend on surprise, which makes it a bit cheesy too. I'd say its still a good opening to have in your arsenal though. | ||
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MrArarat
Argentina132 Posts
It sucks. You suck for using it. lern2plei User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Onioncookie
Germany624 Posts
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MegaTerran
214 Posts
my build is better, cas u waste 150 minz+30minz (worker time) for every rax. its 180 total. reactor is 50/50=100 total. | ||
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KirbyToss
Canada21 Posts
Very intressting build you have here, instead of going 5rax reapers you have turned it into a 6rax marine push. Something that would intrest me to see would be a reactor addon or tech lab on the first rax. In fact you could build multiple addons and float the rax away so you have 2-3 addons for when your 6rax are done which would put you extreamly behind on ecnomy but this is an allin build in the first place, if your first 2 pushes do not succed in harming him in some way, such as tech, units or workers then you have pretty much lost the game. The funny thing is with this build is that it is suseptable to early pushes such as queen/roach 1 base expand from the zerg, this build falls prey to early pressure builds du to the fact that your saving all your minerals up for the 5rax to be built at the same time while in the mean time all you have is your wall and 4 marines. Posting up some timmings would really help out your post imo and it would show exactly what early builds would counter this, such as a baneling bust or a early 10gate into 3 gate push from toss. From my point of view I could see this build becoming a nusience for toss players like myself that tend to go 1gate core into 4gate expand or robo, as I tend only build 2-3 units before my 4 gates with warp are up. This build also seams like the direct counter to a teir one building expand type of build which quite a few zerg players tend to do. | ||
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noD
2230 Posts
kinda annoyed by 30min + games | ||
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MegaTerran
214 Posts
On September 27 2010 22:55 noD wrote: might try it in my next TvT kinda annoyed by 30min + games i was using 6 rax in beta. its cool. but my new build is better i think. better try it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=153272 | ||
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mikell
Australia352 Posts
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MegaTerran
214 Posts
On September 27 2010 22:59 mikell wrote: anyone who sees marines is generally going to get a baneling nest, unless they're stubborn. yes, thats why u need stimpack, cas with stim marines move faster then banelings. and faster then stalkers. | ||
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jpaugh78
United States179 Posts
On September 27 2010 22:55 noD wrote: might try it in my next TvT kinda annoyed by 30min + games If he can get his SCV in before you wall off, and sees you don't have any gas, a bunker + quick siege tanks will destroy this build. It's probably the weakest against terran simply because of how easily he can scout what is happening with a quick scan. Overall, I still hate the build though. It's nothing but a way to end the game as fast as possible. | ||
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Noxie
United States2227 Posts
However.. if you can scout a fast expand you secure a win with this.. as with any all in timing push around this time though. I have been on rare occasions been able to transition into a late game by dropping an expansion during the initial push (only do this if it looks grim, because you're reinforcements will be nonexistent) . But you have to make sure you take down enough probes otherwise you are going to be VERY far behind. Overall.. its a decent build. Yes you will get wins, Yes you can get 800 diamond with it. But you will not learn anything. You will eventually hit a wall. I've played time and captain waffles using this and they're control is just superior. While it make cut it very close, if you do not win you are going to have quite a blunder. | ||
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