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mikell
Australia352 Posts
On September 27 2010 23:04 MegaTerran wrote: yes, thats why u need stimpack, cas with stim marines move faster then banelings. and faster then stalkers. if you see stimmed marines running away from your banelings, you pull back, unless you're an idiot | ||
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fenster
United States73 Posts
What happened in my game was not one-sided but I fended off the push and eventually won. I saw his wall and my scout didn't see gas, so I threw up a baneling nest as I usually do when I'm unsure of the tech path T is taking. Once I saw his marines moving out I didn't have enough lings, so I moved the drones from my expo, pumped lings, and sacced my expo. By the time he moved to my main I had more than enough to take it out. I double expanded, pumped more banelings, and eventually won the game with ultras and banelings. I could have ended it sooner if I had just pumped more and more banelings but I generally don't like the idea of having to suicide my entire army on an offensive. | ||
Chill
Calgary26003 Posts
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MegaTerran
214 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=153272 9 rax (wall) 2 workers 11 gas the gas will be completed at the same time as rax. so after rax rdy: 11 orbital comand, transit two workers to gas (3 workers at gas totally) 11 supply (u build it with same worker which finishe rax), 11 tech lab now build two more workers and reaper, u ll have 13 workers and reaper = 14 supply. (14 doble rax) now build two more rax build marine and make stimpack after that, build marines and scv's non stop with priority to marines when 2 rax rdy = make reactors to both and produce mass marines after u queved two reactors = remove one scv from gas after u ll get 100 gas = remove all scv's from gas when stimpack rdy, queve combat shields and move in attack and kill your opponent, if he is still alive (1 chance from 100  ) then build epx. after 2nd CC started=> start mining gas from two gases with 6 scv's and build factory. then go battlecruisers or any other tech u like.about 9 rax - it was calculated that 9 rax economically is not worse then standard, cas u get mule faster. i checked it and confirm. btw i reccomend to build CC on HG and make OC and launch mule. and only after that fly to natrual expo. btw, it would be interesting to check quantity of marines at 6 mins replay time. i have about 13 rines and stimpack (and 1 reaper). When 5 rax build have 13 rines at about 5:40 but no stimpack. 6 rax build i didnt check. but i think its even worse. u can do testings and say. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Mrbustanut
121 Posts
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Shadrak
United States490 Posts
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MegaTerran
214 Posts
On September 28 2010 01:03 Shadrak wrote: I haven't faced this yet, but wouldn't a toss holding you at the ramp with force fields pretty much destroy this build? With just 2 sentries he could keep you there indefinetely and rush to collosus tech. Then would become a marine BBQ. 1st we need to check is toss able to make infinite force field at about 6:15 ? but if yes, then he ll need at least 6 sentry - thats big money. so we make expo and toss just has nothing to make his own. the only race which cas easily defend agains rines is terran. he can use bunker with 4 rines. good defence and cheap. | ||
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Chill
Calgary26003 Posts
On September 28 2010 01:06 MegaTerran wrote: 1st we need to check is toss able to make infinite force field at about 6:15 ? but if yes, then he ll need at least 6 sentry - thats big money. so we make expo and toss just has nothing to make his own. the only race which cas easily defend agains rines is terran. he can use bunker with 4 rines. good defence and cheap. Unless I'm mistaken, you can infinite forcefield with 4 sentries. It's not hard to get 4 sentries that early in the game. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
TvZ: its very good if there is no banelingnest. If there is a banelingnest, throw down an exp+bunkers three teclabs and go with 5-6 marauders+stim TvT: it worked very bad in 1.0 because "wall in"s and tanks killed this so easy I dont know how it works in 1.1 since tanks are not that good against marines anymore. (were talking of 1 tank against a bunch of marines) But I think its not working against Terran (I had no time to play 1.1) TvP: it works fine if you micro properly. Noone gets 3 sentrys for infinite forcefield and even if someone gets that you may expand and throw down some bunkers... But usually you win in TvP :D For me it worked pretty well but I only played this build if I was angry and wanted a quick win. I used to be in the top 4000 in Europe with 20% of time playing this build... | ||
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Vorgrim
Korea (North)1601 Posts
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SilverPotato
United States560 Posts
10 Rax 11 Rax 11 Rax 11 Depot Marine/Depot as needed and get the 16~ marines much faster. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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Mrbustanut
121 Posts
On September 28 2010 02:56 SilverPotato wrote: You can do: 10 Rax 11 Rax 11 Rax 11 Depot Marine/Depot as needed and get the 16~ marines much faster. Ya but one of the major reasons for waiting to drop the rax is to avoid being scouted. If someone scouts at 10 and sees 3 rax with no gas they are going to know exactly what is coming. | ||
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revy
United States1524 Posts
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MeistR
22 Posts
http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=152793 This was my first time trying the build. Obviously I made a mistake in not walling off early enough. Nonetheless, I managed to hold off his ling push. The banelings killed me a little later on, but Zerg often makes the fatal mistake of morphing their banelings RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR CHOKE. Tsk tsk. If you're up against an instinctive baneling build (scouting doesn't influence Z's decision) while going 6rax, keep a marine somewhere near your choke and watch for blings morphing. Just take your rines out and snipe them. He teched to Mutas, but I was able to hold off the small numbers. Not the greatest example of how the build works, so I'll post more later. | ||
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MeistR
22 Posts
http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=152796 The key to this build is denying the scout constantly. The rest is simple. One thing I'd like to note: I made a mistake in keeping the majority of my rines right next to my choke, allowing him to see what I had. It didn't matter, though, as by the time I pushed out, he only had one sentry. That's the beauty of this. If your opponent doesn't scout it, he won't know to get more than 1 sentry. TvP 6rax on Steppes: http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=152798 Same thing. Easy win, although it's obvious this guy wasn't very good. | ||
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MeistR
22 Posts
http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=152799 I'd like to say this proves that the build is viable against banelings, scouted or not. However, I don't think my opponent micro'd his blings properly. Are you supposed to charge head-on against a pack of rines? Or would it have been better if he had advanced with the lings and followed with blings? Either way, the sheer mass of marines allows you to snipe the blings before they do too much damage. You really don't need stim at all, as long as you're attentive with your rines. Notice that once again, my opponent morphs his bling in front of my choke, allowing me to snipe them easily. My first push into his main was abysmal, as I lost the whole pack of rines to his blings. Huge mistake. After that, I was more careful, and microing the rines away from danger wasn't too hard. Imagine if he hadn't gone blings until he scouted the 6rax. He would have been in for some trouble. | ||
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Parra
United States152 Posts
On September 27 2010 17:15 STS17 wrote: Reactor eats two marine production cycles meaning you need to be able to justify 2 production cycles of reactor'd marines to break even (with the number of marines you could have had if you did not get the reactor) and then an additional cycle just to get one additional measly marine. That's 125 game seconds for one extra marine (per rax) in a rush which must get there as quickly as possible. I doubt it would be worth it He's right on the money. In an all-in scenario like this, the reactors wouldn't be worth it. | ||
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MeistR
22 Posts
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BoBBye
France8 Posts
A move :D this is good stuf! (or not ;p) | ||
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