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Terran vs. Phoenix + Gateway units... Any counter? - Page 4

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fant0m 964 Posts May 22 2010 09:20 GMT #61 Going the macro+marine build just seems to be begging for colossus to tear you up. Just because he put a vanilla starport down (or 2) doesn't mean he can't go colossi, especially if you are turtling up at your natural and leaving him the rest of the map.

ProoM Lithuania1741 Posts May 22 2010 09:53 GMT #62 marauder/marine/viking works pretty well against it, however, you need to turret up whenever you are ready to push out ;].

Froadac United States6733 Posts May 22 2010 15:11 GMT #63 I'm not sure about timings, but I've countered it at silver with ghosts and emp, although I get the feeling this push came a little earlier. I'll watch the rep and come back.

xDaunt United States17988 Posts May 22 2010 16:14 GMT #64 Here's a replay from last night from one of my placement matches. Shows the phoenix+gateway build against a marines+tanks+raven push. After the first push, he pushes again with hellions and finally gets thors. None of them works very well. You can also see the eventual transition into colossi, which was slower in this game because of the constant fighting. I think the main point to take from the replay is that attacking off one base against the build probably is not the best of ideas when you see the phoenixes flying around. I'm not sure that I've played against a straight up Gretorp build (marines + ghost) while doing phoenix play, but I don't see why I'd have many problems against it if the terran pushes out, especially if I see it coming and have time to prepare.

extracheez Australia151 Posts May 22 2010 18:36 GMT #65 I use the phoenix build in PvT and PvP depending on maps and all I can say is don't stay on one base, expand and throw down some static D to stop harass. It forces the P to respond with an expansion because most of the time the P isn't going to throw his ball + phoenix into turreted bunkered T expos. While the expo is going up push out with a force that counters his. If worse comes to worse, just out macro the P... unless your playing against nony chances are all the extra micro is going to put a strain on the P's macro. I know my macro slips with the phoenix build, I mean I can still use it effectively, but against a macro powerhouse of an opponent my ball just ends up getting crushed on the first timing push.

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