Power Rank 11/10/2008 - Page 43

On December 10 2008 14:36 GGQ wrote:
Bisu for #1!

Birthdate: Nov. 3 1989 / Birthplace: Yaesan Korea / Height: 178cm / Weight: 68kg / Blood Type: O / Team: SKTelecom(ex MBC Game Hero) / ID: Bisu[Shield] 김 택용 !

On December 10 2008 18:26 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
pusan, firebathero, effort, leta in
jaedong, forgg, kal, jaedong out

On December 10 2008 18:38 Jaeden wrote:

Jd out 2 times ?! big hater here ?

On December 11 2008 06:04 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
seriously Bisu or Flash for #1. Bisu for #1 isnt really that crystalclear in my oppinion.

Flash has gone 17-3 his last 20 games, which of only 1 real loss(the one vs Zero)
I say only 1 real loss because the other two were from 14CC vs 9pool and a really really all-in dtproxrush build from horang2 @ byzantium.

and when i say not a real loss, i mean game that any player would have lost.
There is no single player on earth or will ever be who can defend a 9pool when he 14CC's nor can defend a DT prox with that opening flash did, he even scouted the prox with his sick scouting.

So basically 17-1... seriously bonjwa is back!!

On December 11 2008 06:04 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
seriously Bisu or Flash for #1. Bisu for #1 isnt really that crystalclear in my oppinion.

Flash has gone 17-3 his last 20 games, which of only 1 real loss(the one vs Zero)
I say only 1 real loss because the other two were from 14CC vs 9pool and a really really all-in dtproxrush build from horang2 @ byzantium.

and when i say not a real loss, i mean game that any player would have lost.
There is no single player on earth or will ever be who can defend a 9pool when he 14CC's nor can defend a DT prox with that opening flash did, he even scouted the prox with his sick scouting.

So basically 17-1... seriously bonjwa is back!!

On December 11 2008 06:24 Darth Peter wrote:

There is no single player on earth who gone 14 cc in every fucking game he played in for some time. That was his bullshit. I could say that Jaedongs's losses wasn't real losses because if he hadn't committed those stupid mistakes,he could have won. Yeah,Flash is good again,but I wouldn't rank him above Bisu or Stork yet,especially not above Bisu. Flash was always very good in Proleague,but Bisu just won MSL and is good in PL too,just he isn't sent to nearly every ace matches just like Flash is. And Flash didn't really accomplish anything. Most of his victories are against mid class players,he didn't really beat top notch players except for Free and Fantasy,and out of his matches against Hyvaa and GGplay I am still not sure that he is the T v Z beast he used to be. I mean Hyvaa is shit,and GGplay isn't a top zerg either,sure he has good result,but there are a lot better zergs than him,like Effort,Zero,Calm,Yarnc and Jaedong.

On December 11 2008 06:04 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
seriously Bisu or Flash for #1. Bisu for #1 isnt really that crystalclear in my oppinion.

Flash has gone 17-3 his last 20 games, which of only 1 real loss(the one vs Zero)
I say only 1 real loss because the other two were from 14CC vs 9pool and a really really all-in dtproxrush build from horang2 @ byzantium.

and when i say not a real loss, i mean game that any player would have lost.
There is no single player on earth or will ever be who can defend a 9pool when he 14CC's nor can defend a DT prox with that opening flash did, he even scouted the prox with his sick scouting.

So basically 17-1... seriously bonjwa is back!!

On December 11 2008 07:48 Jaeden wrote:

u know that it was really his fault for goin 14CC vs 9pool, right?
Every loss counts. Maybe it wouldn`t count if flash had a VERY Important match to practice for ( like a final) but that isn`t the case. I agree that Flash plays well, but he`s got no chance at taking #1 spot this month.

On December 11 2008 11:17 theonemephisto wrote:

What I think he was trying to say with that is that that loss doesn't really give you much insight into how Flash is playing or his current skill level. Yes, he took a big risk, and he lost out because of it, and the loss counts. But at the same time, the game says nothing about his actual ability (unless it was in a BoX where mindgames come into play). He didn't get outplayed.

On December 11 2008 11:42 Krigstar wrote:


And the 17 wins was of course pure skill wins that had nothing to do with build order? Why not just stop this bullshit right away and realize that mind games (i.e. build orders) are a part of the game.

Even if you show the perfect formula on how you calculate what games are luck and whats skill, its irrelevant and no one should give a shit except those who desperately need retarded arguments to defend their favorite player. What I'm saying is that when you start to value losses differently you just made a statement that you have NO clue of that the game is about. If you don't understand, tell me where the official line goes for when a build order is luck and not skill?

On December 11 2008 11:50 theonemephisto wrote:

I never said anything about the 17 wins, I was just attempting to clarify what his point was because I think everyone was attacking a misconception. I'm sure that a couple of those 17 wins were straight BO wins (though I won't bother to check).

I don't think mindgames are a significant part of the game except when there's a history between the players or it's a BoX.

Losses ARE valued differently. There's a difference between being dominated in a one-sided rape and fighting a long back and forth game to the end. There's a difference between losing to a great player and losing to a bad one. And there's a difference between losing an evenly matched up game and losing a game where you had no chance from the 30 sec mark.

I'm not trying to say that the losses somehow "don't count" or something, I'm just saying that losses like that say very little to nothing about a players "skill" unless they become a pattern (like Flash from last season). And from what I understand, the PR is fundamentally about how "skilled" a player is, however you define that, and I just don't think that isolated Bo1 straight BO losses contribute much to understanding a players skill.