EPTPower Rank 11/10/2008 - Page 42
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disciple
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TarsTarkas
United States169 Posts
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Phradamon
Romania191 Posts
 Tempest > BeSt[HyO] in the direct match this monthLook: Best vs Tempest 2- Tempest did 2>1  Jaedong this month3- Jaedong> BeSt[HyO] last month. | ||
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Darth Peter
Romania438 Posts
On December 09 2008 05:21 Phradamon wrote: 1- Tempest > BeSt[HyO] in the direct match this monthLook: Best vs Tempesthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3lzJdEb4pk&eurl=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=50875¤tpage=215 2- Tempest did 2>1 Jaedong this month3- Jaedong> BeSt[HyO] last month.And that is his only result he achieved in the last 5 months. Come on,even considering Tempest for PR is ridicoulos. He beat Best in one game,and beat a slump starting Jaedong. Big fucking deal. He got his ass handed to him in every other match he played. I mean look at his stats. I know PR should be for this month,but you have to be good before that so you can be taken into consideration. Tempest wasn't. He sucked. I mean come on,be serious. I see no way in hell that Tempest could take a spot away from FBH,Pusan,Effort,Calm,Fantasy,Leta,Zero. Even giving him a CBNC would be waaaay too generous. I mean his teammate,Lucifer had at least results,and he still didn't manage to have a ranking. The players in the PR are usually carrying their teams on their shoulders,or destroying everybody in a Starleague,or both at the same time. So what did Tempest do from these two? Beating Best got his team a total great amount of one win. OMG. And I am sad to say that,but beating Jaedong these days isn't that much of a deal either. Just look. Everybody beats Jaedong these days unfortunately. Sangho beat him. Does he deserves a ranking? No. Or wait,he deserves a ranking more than Tempest,because he at least wins some matches. | ||
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TarsTarkas
United States169 Posts
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
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Darth Peter
Romania438 Posts
On December 09 2008 07:49 Dazed_Spy wrote: Tempest hardly sucks. Hes very, very good. Hes just unrefined and inexperienced. He doesn't deserve PR, but he very well could in two months, maybe even one. That we will. Perhapps you're right. But I think that he is a neo-lucifer without results. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On December 09 2008 07:49 Dazed_Spy wrote: Tempest hardly sucks. Hes very, very good. Hes just unrefined and inexperienced. He doesn't deserve PR, but he very well could in two months, maybe even one. i don't like Tempest, his most entertaining game was when he rushed a Terran and destroyed his only turret and wall in with dragoons and let the dt's enter the base. The kid wins some games, his play isnt impressive at all and not reliable | ||
]343[
United States10328 Posts
 it's more than a week into the month now | ||
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Phradamon
Romania191 Posts
On December 09 2008 06:08 Darth Peter wrote: And that is his only result he achieved in the last 5 months. Come on,even considering Tempest for PR is ridicoulos. He beat Best in one game,and beat a slump starting Jaedong. Big fucking deal. He got his ass handed to him in every other match he played. I mean look at his Stats. I know PR should be for this month,but you have to be good before that so you can be taken into consideration. Tempest wasn't. He sucked. I mean come on,be serious. I see no way in hell that Tempest could take a spot away from FBH,Pusan,EffOrt,Calm, fantasy,Leta,ZerO. Even giving him a CBNC would be waaaay too generous. I mean his teammate,LuCifer had at least results,and he still didn't manage to have a ranking. The players in the PR are usually carrying their teams on their shoulders,or destroying everybody in a Starleague,or both at the same time. So what did Tempest do from these two? Beating Best got his team a total great amount of one win. OMG. And I am sad to say that,but beating Jaedong these days isn't that much of a deal either. Just look. Everybody beats Jaedong these days unfortunately. SangHo beat him. Does he deserves a ranking? No. Or wait,he deserves a ranking more than Tempest,because he at least wins some matches.Oh, what the hell, lets take into consideration only Jaedong losses to al no names, lets not do that to BeSt[HyO]. Very objective!We dont count here what Best did few months before, the PR is for only one month and data, records, wins say it all. And despite Best lost to no names and other good tosses (which should be punishing for him just like it is for Jeadong) Tempest performed better than expected, which should give him few points.If you say Best is such a strong stud, than Tempest beating him a strong argument for Tempest to be on PR. If you say otherweise, than Jaedong should be above Best with both losing to no names but JD having stronger results.Enough with BeSt[HyO] fanboism. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On December 10 2008 01:49 Phradamon wrote: Oh, what the hell, lets take into consideration only Jaedong losses to al no names, lets not do that to BeSt[HyO]. Very objective!We dont count here what Best did few months before, the PR is for only one month and data, records, wins say it all. And despite Best lost to no names and other good tosses (which should be punishing for him just like it is for Jeadong) Tempest performed better than expected, which should give him few points.If you say Best is such a strong stud, than Tempest beating him a strong argument for Tempest to be on PR. If you say otherweise, than Jaedong should be above Best with both losing to no names but JD having stronger results.Enough with BeSt[HyO] fanboism.I'm sorry, but this Tempest love is beyond ridiculous. Tempest isn't even good enough to be PLAYING in the proleagues right now. There's a reason why KTF sends some no-name guy called Stats instead of Tempest for the past matches. It's because they don't trust Tempest enough to win games. I think it's safe to say that if you aren't worthy of being in the PL lineup, then you shouldn't be on the PR. Best, who dominates PL games and wins Ace matches, and Tempest aren't even close. | ||
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TarsTarkas
United States169 Posts
When I watch Best win, my first reaction is "damn, that fool got dominated" There is a pretty clear difference in their play, and I doubt that Tempest is even in the top 10 protoss players, much less the top 10 starcraft players. Though with this next power rank, there may not be too much of a difference between those two lists... | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On December 09 2008 02:12 Phradamon wrote: I think someone misscorrectly quoted me JD is 8-4 in NOVEMBER and BeSt[HyO] is still 4-3. The december results must be taken into consideration next PR, i clearly said this is for NOVEMBER results.And in NOVEMBER Tempest is best than BeSt[HyO].Also, do not bring into consideration PL results since PL has started for more than 2 months ago. The next power rank should take all results that have happened for the last PR, and results that happened since the last PR. If best has gone 8-4 or w/e he has gone since the last PR, then that is just as valid as Jaedong going 8-4 since the last one. | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On December 10 2008 01:22 ]343[ wrote: new power rank please? it's more than a week into the month nowyeah, but my job is very erratic. i've been working almost nonstop for the last 3 days, outside of sleeping  Power Rank tomorrow though, I'm going to make time for it whether I can afford to or not | ||
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Darth Peter
Romania438 Posts
On December 10 2008 01:49 Phradamon wrote: Oh, what the hell, lets take into consideration only Jaedong losses to al no names, lets not do that to BeSt[HyO]. Very objective!We dont count here what Best did few months before, the PR is for only one month and data, records, wins say it all. And despite Best lost to no names and other good tosses (which should be punishing for him just like it is for Jeadong) Tempest performed better than expected, which should give him few points.If you say Best is such a strong stud, than Tempest beating him a strong argument for Tempest to be on PR. If you say otherweise, than Jaedong should be above Best with both losing to no names but JD having stronger results.Enough with BeSt[HyO] fanboism.I am not at all a Best fanboy. I like him,but he's not one of my favourite players. Jaedong is. And let us see. Jaedong lost not only to nonames,he lost to good players,well,he lost to everybody this month. Got eliminated from Gom,in which he was a strong favourite,he sucks in PL lately,and I fear he won't even qualify from his survivor group. Best lost to Inyeong in the MSL offline prelims. So what? Usually all big players qualify for only one league,and Best is already a seed in the OSL. Other than that,Best is great in PL,still in the Gom,beating probably the second best Zerg player in what is his weakest matchup. He wasn't untouchable in PvT and PvP this month,like he used to be,and that is why he gets 7 or 8 spots,depending on which spot will Jaedong get. So you by your logic,Inyeon should be on PR too? Or Tazza? Or By.Movie for beating the two best players on the world right now? They are equally justified as Tempest by their performance. And yeah,Tempest wasn't even used in PL. They use Stats instead,which says something. And yeah,good luck with writing the PR Steve,I can't wait for it! EDIT: And Phradamon,if you read my comment again,than please show me where did I say Best should be placed above Jaedong. I don't remember saying that. If I said that,I must have been drunk because I don't remember that,or must be drunk now to not see it. And he cannot be punished even lower than he already is. | ||
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Phradamon
Romania191 Posts
Bisu loosing to Tazza but Jaedong lost to alot of people and so is BeSt[HyO]. He even lost to Hwasin who is same level on tvP as FBH use to be untill 3 months ago.Than he lost alot of games in his best MU: Stork, Tempest, Free, Ynyeon with accidental losts to by.great and EffOrt, but [where he won in bo3Than we have JD, who lost to alot of players too, but have good stats too. Yes, it is more painfull to watch coz JD have alot of trophies won and Best have none. But this doesnt give the right to judge with 2 measures. Also, so what if this PR comes after 10 days (30% of december games... oh dear) This discussion wouldnt happen if PR appears on time. I can understand the PR apearing with delay, but is unacceptable to mix results from 2 months, after all this is why PR exists. Also, KTF if you see Stats vs Mind you wouldn ask why KTF use Stats in PvT coz best results Tempest have is in PvZ.And is not so hard to accept Tempest in next PR since he IS in GOM and this year GOM is used to rank Kespa and we convened here in this very thread with OneOther that GOM have more importance than PL as any other individual league.@ Darth Peter I didnt say you said BeSt[HyO] should be above JD, i made the remark because it is discussed here on this topic. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On December 10 2008 09:24 Phradamon wrote:Also, so what if this PR comes after 10 days (30% of december games... oh dear) This discussion wouldnt happen if PR appears on time. I can understand the PR apearing with delay, but is unacceptable to mix results from 2 months, after all this is why PR exists. Wow, I can't believe you are serious. The Power Rank is about who is the best players at that point in time. Are you seriously going to sit there, and tell everyone that suckage in December should be exempt from the PR? Power Ranks are not some sort of reward passed on to progamers for doing well in a month. Power Ranks are rankings of who is currently the best. And every single game that happened in notable leagues (OSL, MSL, PL) have an effect on that, regardless of what exact date they were played on, since the previous rankings. | ||
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ambit!ous1
United States3662 Posts
On December 10 2008 05:28 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: yeah, but my job is very erratic. i've been working almost nonstop for the last 3 days, outside of sleeping Power Rank tomorrow though, I'm going to make time for it whether I can afford to or not WTF? Steve's back??? | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
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