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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + and he will, if he continues to play like this edit: 800 posts, wooh! edit2: On December 07 2008 20:27 Geo.Rion wrote: i hate all of you who watch GOM live, excluding me from this topic for hours :p why don`t u watch it? it works better now, no more lagg at all uh and maybe Jaehoon will make a great player someday D: He beat some really good opponents lately, and only lost to the very best | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
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Phradamon
Romania191 Posts
 Jaedong next PR.First of all JD have a better month, despite losing to alot of people. But same shitty losses come to  BeSt[HyO] too but JD lost to better players than Best.JD is 8-4 in november and Best is 4-3. Secondly, altough JD is on slump for a second month he still have better results overall in november than BeSt[HyO]. Best lost to a no name toss (inyeon) in his best MU, lost to Tempest, lost to free. This is unacceptable for high expectations from best PvP'er from the world.Also i would consider Tempest for PR for no. 10 since he heat both JD and Best and proven himself to be consistent, being 5-3 in november, better than Best.... | ||
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iloahz
United States964 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + this HoeJJa has 80% win rate against protoss | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On December 08 2008 00:00 Phradamon wrote: Im not happy with Best being above Jaedong next PR.First of all JD have a better month, despite losing to alot of people. But same shitty losses come to BeSt[HyO] too but JD lost to better players than Best.JD is 8-4 in november and Best is 4-3. Secondly, altough JD is on slump for a second month he still have better results overall in november than BeSt[HyO]. Best lost to a no name toss (inyeon) in his best MU, lost to Tempest, lost to free. This is unacceptable for high expectations from best PvP'er from the world.Also i would consider Tempest for PR for no. 10 since he heat both JD and Best and proven himself to be consistent, being 5-3 in november, better than Best....Best is 8-4 this month beating great names of EVERY race. Anytime is good in pvp, their match was awesome Best played beastly, there's nothing wrong with his mirror. Terrans, Leta ,lost to Hwasin, that was more the fault of the map and the builds i think. And ZERGS: fcking beaten effort in bo3 and Zero in an ace match. Best is the most reliable ace in the PL up to now. Tempest doesn`t deserve a spot | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
On December 08 2008 00:00 Phradamon wrote: Im not happy with Best being above Jaedong next PR.First of all JD have a better month, despite losing to alot of people. But same shitty losses come to BeSt[HyO] too but JD lost to better players than Best.JD is 8-4 in november and Best is 4-3. Secondly, altough JD is on slump for a second month he still have better results overall in november than BeSt[HyO]. Best lost to a no name toss (inyeon) in his best MU, lost to Tempest, lost to free. This is unacceptable for high expectations from best PvP'er from the world.Also i would consider Tempest for PR for no. 10 since he heat both JD and Best and proven himself to be consistent, being 5-3 in november, better than Best....Tempest doesn`t deserve a spot, maybe a mention in CBNC, just MAYBE. There are more deserving players imo | ||
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Kula
United States140 Posts
On December 08 2008 01:32 Geo.Rion wrote: Best is 8-4 this month beating great names of EVERY race. Anytime is good in pvp, their match was awesome Best played beastly, there's nothing wrong with his mirror. Terrans, Leta ,lost to Hwasin, that was more the fault of the map and the builds i think. And ZERGS: fcking beaten effort in bo3 and Zero in an ace match. Best is the most reliable ace in the PL up to now. Tempest doesn`t deserve a spot So is it 8-4 or 4-3? | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On December 08 2008 01:32 Geo.Rion wrote: Best is 8-4 this month beating great names of EVERY race. Anytime is good in pvp, their match was awesome Best played beastly, there's nothing wrong with his mirror. Terrans, Leta ,lost to Hwasin, that was more the fault of the map and the builds i think. And ZERGS: fcking beaten effort in bo3 and Zero in an ace match. Best is the most reliable ace in the PL up to now. Tempest doesn`t deserve a spot thanks for spoiling | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
The VODs are already up, you should check them befor you come here where even the live results are spoiled sometimes. If everyone will add spoiler tag if he wants to write about sg which happened in the past 24 hours this topic wouldn't be quite exciting | ||
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MisterKatosS
France352 Posts
On December 07 2008 23:12 Geo.Rion wrote: + Show Spoiler + i'm still not impressed with best's PvZ, but he advanced in GOM in his weakest MU against the best Zerg left in the tournament You should use spoilers ... + Show Spoiler + Best did improve one thing incredibly: his sair micro ... But I agree he still have too learn something from bisu spoil skt vs woongjin :+ Show Spoiler + watch his game against roro this one is a bit more impressive | ||
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traced
1739 Posts
On December 08 2008 10:58 MisterKatosS wrote: You should use spoilers ... + Show Spoiler + Best did improve one thing incredibly: his sair micro ... But I agree he still have too learn something from bisu spoil skt vs woongjin :+ Show Spoiler + watch his game against roro this one is a bit more impressive his sair micro is still weak, but you can tell he understands the timings and the strategy much better. seriously once he learns how to control his corsairs he'll be an absolute beast | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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traced
1739 Posts
i know he's lacking but you can tell he's at least improving. but because he's learning, he's not playing intuitively, yet. and his corsair micro really hurts the effectiveness of his corsair reaver in any given game, which really hurts his build and in-game flexibility, like you said. | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
On December 08 2008 12:09 OneOther wrote: there's a lot more than just corsair micro to pvz, as you probably know. it's a careless micro mistake and won't make best's pvz that much better. he lacks in multiple aspects of the matchup imo. i am sure he will be better at it but there's no way he will be an absolute beast at it. he doesn't have the flexibility, variation, and smoothness that other good pvzers do. but we can`t know for sure. Maybe he`ll improve greatly and become THE best, even in PvZ. I`ve seen so many things happenin` in the pro scene...Impossible is nothing  | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On December 08 2008 13:12 traced wrote: yeah that was poorly phrased, i meant that it seems best is becoming competent (sans his sairs) in pvz, and that he'll soon be a beast (in general, because he doesn't really need to be a top pvz to be a top player, just competence). i know he's lacking but you can tell he's at least improving. but because he's learning, he's not playing intuitively, yet. and his corsair micro really hurts the effectiveness of his corsair reaver in any given game, which really hurts his build and in-game flexibility, like you said. he clearly learnt a lot from Bisu, but his macro based style remained the same, it does not look good but it's efficient for sure, at least right now | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On December 08 2008 10:58 MisterKatosS wrote: You should use spoilers ... + Show Spoiler + Best did improve one thing incredibly: his sair micro ... But I agree he still have too learn something from bisu spoil skt vs woongjin :+ Show Spoiler + watch his game against roro this one is a bit more impressive you mean against Zero? that's not that impressive either, he clearly had better macro and when he succeeded in sniping the Hive the deal was sealed. but he really made some wierd decisions, as atacking lurker+hydra with archon zela. he did "won" the battle but lost a lot, fourtanetly for him his macro didnt let him down. I wasnt impressed really, but he became clearly better. And i explained why always using spoiler tag is stupid. When the VODs are up you can watch them. When they arent and somebody spoils the results cuz he watched live, yeah that's enerving, but yet again you can avoid that too. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
I think the above 9 players should definitely be in the top 10. The last place seems to be a crapshoot though. So many If you go by GOM Mind should be in here(as he's also performed nicely in the PL recently). Otherwise, you have a ton of top PL performers like FBH, Yarnc, Pusan, and Effort. Personally, I'd go with FBH. Fanboyism aside, he had the best performance in the individual leagues out of all the candidates. And his opponents have been top notch(wins against Jaedong x2, Savior, Lomo, Kal) | ||
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MisterKatosS
France352 Posts
On December 08 2008 20:25 Geo.Rion wrote: you mean against Zero? that's not that impressive either, he clearly had better macro and when he succeeded in sniping the Hive the deal was sealed. but he really made some wierd decisions, as atacking lurker+hydra with archon zela. he did "won" the battle but lost a lot, fourtanetly for him his macro didnt let him down. I wasnt impressed really, but he became clearly better. And i explained why always using spoiler tag is stupid. When the VODs are up you can watch them. When they arent and somebody spoils the results cuz he watched live, yeah that's enerving, but yet again you can avoid that too. Yep Zero you are right. But are you talking about the battle at 12:40 ?? If yes I totally disagree with you, yes he engaged with zeal archon, but lurks were unburrowed, clumped on hydra, in such a good position that he lost like 12 zeal and an Archon to 12 hydra ,9 lurks and 2 muta, not a bad deal if you ask me even good fast baller decision. Well using spoilers wont hurt and is simply nicer to people who did not watched the game yet, what 's the problem with that ? anyway his sair seemed so much reactive to me than before, remember the final vs July his sair was amateur level loosing like 5 early to scourges ... it 's not perfect but I think it 's clear that there is an improvement. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On December 08 2008 22:44 MisterKatosS wrote: Yep Zero you are right. But are you talking about the battle at 12:40 ?? If yes I totally disagree with you, yes he engaged with zeal archon, but lurks were unburrowed, clumped on hydra, in such a good position that he lost like 12 zeal and an Archon to 12 hydra ,9 lurks and 2 muta, not a bad deal if you ask me even good fast baller decision. Well using spoilers wont hurt and is simply nicer to people who did not watched the game yet, what 's the problem with that ? anyway his sair seemed so much reactive to me than before, remember the final vs July his sair was amateur level loosing like 5 early to scourges ... it 's not perfect but I think it 's clear that there is an improvement. corsair micro 11:20... But yeah it's siginficantly better than it was overall, he learnt something from Bisu about that battle, yes, you were right i wasn't that bad,(it just looked too bad for me, i guess i wasnt paying attention on the first time) altough there were only 7 lurkers not 9, and the survivor zealots were badly damaged. | ||
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Phradamon
Romania191 Posts
JD is 8-4 in NOVEMBER and BeSt[HyO] is still 4-3. The december results must be taken into consideration next PR, i clearly said this is for NOVEMBER results.And in NOVEMBER Tempest is best than BeSt[HyO].Also, do not bring into consideration PL results since PL has started for more than 2 months ago. | ||
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