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On November 05 2008 12:42 Wolverine wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2008 03:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On November 01 2008 17:05 Wolverine wrote:how so? i'm stating exactly what happens each month - the PR is released at some random time, taking into account factors different from previous PRs (for example, one PR (say the January one) could take into account the 3rd quarter of January and the first three quarters in February if it wasn't released until February 25th, then February's PR which is released on March 5 may be based on the first three quarters of February (already taken into account for the January PR) and the first quarter in March. If it was released on the first of each month, then it would take into account the same period as previous months' PRs, rather than having some of this months and some of next month's. hey suck it up The PR has been crap ever since you took over. Yeah I guess I am having to suck that up each month.
Well, if it offended or if you felt the decisions were completely wrong and gave an example, it would be okay.
But calling something crap since it doesn't come out the first of every month, not to mention it's a free service, is trolling. FS was moving, it's not like he's obligated to do this, do you expect us to sympathize with you?
Or are you saying that because you're bold enough?
Either way, comments with no substance and purely insults have no place here.
Temp ban?
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On November 03 2008 13:49 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2008 11:58 traced wrote:On November 03 2008 08:31 OneOther wrote:
I don't know why you guys think Stork is sub par PvZ. He's a favorite against any player except Jaedong. He's 50-50 against JD, looking at the way those two have been playing lately. lets not get ahead of ourselves It's true, sorry bud. Jaedong and Julyzerg (for the reason listed above) are the only zergs even or favored against Stork. And they can't win ZvTs so it all works out. We can't really tell who would win Stork vs Jaedong. I know Jaedong has a great ZvP, but he HAS been slipping a bit, while Stork has been playing at his best. Although his PvZ hasn't been proven yet, I can't put Stork as the underdog. Just my thoughts but I would reluctantly agree with whoever puts Jaedong as the favorite against Stork, because his ZvP has already been proven. Regardless of his recent performance, of course.
I would say that Jaedong and July are favourite againts Stork even if they lose a game or two now and then and even if Stork has great momentum at the moment . Their ZvP are an a greater lvl then Stork's PvZ . And other players like Calm and Effort could give Stork a run for his money . I think Effort's ZvP is pretty good since i saw him rape Kal in his group with Flash . Calm is a solid all around player that needs to be tested more i wouldn't give him much of a chance vs Stork right now thought . Luxury and Yarnc need to evolve their ZvP they are doing poor ZvP wise and will struggle vs Stork and like almost every other P with a decent PvZ .
I don't know why people bring back the games vs Han as an argument that Flash is doing better then Jaedong because at that same time Jaedong won WCG korea and raped flash in GomTV classic . So bringing back games which happend months ago doesn't come in to account in this months PR . Since when is loseing 2 PL games is a sign of Jaedong slumping he is still playing great even if he lost a series vs a good PvZ yes he lost 2 -1 but he still didn't play that bad maybe wrong strategy execution but it is all map dependent . Losing 1 ZvZ doesn't meen shit even if he has ~ 80% winrate vs zerg . Look at Best ~ 80% winrate and still lost to Tempest (does that mean that Best is slumping ? NO... ) , but snatching a random win in ZvZ is far more easier then in PvP .
And please before placeing Bisu high in the PR . Ask your question did Bisu did better then JangBI , Kal , Free or Best this month ? I think in over all performance Free should be above all of them , because even in the weakest team he put them on a strong position rapeing all around . And did what the 4 of then could never do and that is eliminate JD from a tournament . Bisu had his chances in 2 MSLs , Kal had his chance in the MSL final , Best in WCG and JangBI had his chance in GOM classic .So if anyone deserves to be high it should be Free the others should fill up the spots between #5-10 and squeeze an OSL dead Fantasy in there .Damn it too many toss on the rank next PR  .
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On November 05 2008 20:03 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2008 13:49 OneOther wrote:On November 03 2008 11:58 traced wrote:On November 03 2008 08:31 OneOther wrote:
I don't know why you guys think Stork is sub par PvZ. He's a favorite against any player except Jaedong. He's 50-50 against JD, looking at the way those two have been playing lately. lets not get ahead of ourselves It's true, sorry bud. Jaedong and Julyzerg (for the reason listed above) are the only zergs even or favored against Stork. And they can't win ZvTs so it all works out. We can't really tell who would win Stork vs Jaedong. I know Jaedong has a great ZvP, but he HAS been slipping a bit, while Stork has been playing at his best. Although his PvZ hasn't been proven yet, I can't put Stork as the underdog. Just my thoughts but I would reluctantly agree with whoever puts Jaedong as the favorite against Stork, because his ZvP has already been proven. Regardless of his recent performance, of course. I would say that Jaedong and July are favourite againts Stork even if they lose a game or two now and then and even if Stork has great momentum at the moment . Their ZvP are an a greater lvl then Stork's PvZ . And other players like Calm and Effort could give Stork a run for his money . I think Effort's ZvP is pretty good since i saw him rape Kal in his group with Flash . Calm is a solid all around player that needs to be tested more i wouldn't give him much of a chance vs Stork right now thought . Luxury and Yarnc need to evolve their ZvP they are doing poor ZvP wise and will struggle vs Stork and like almost every other P with a decent PvZ . I don't know why people bring back the games vs Han as an argument that Flash is doing better then Jaedong because at that same time Jaedong won WCG korea and raped flash in GomTV classic . So bringing back games which happend months ago doesn't come in to account in this months PR . Since when is loseing 2 PL games is a sign of Jaedong slumping he is still playing great even if he lost a series vs a good PvZ yes he lost 2 -1 but he still didn't play that bad maybe wrong strategy execution but it is all map dependent . Losing 1 ZvZ doesn't meen shit even if he has ~ 80% winrate vs zerg . Look at Best ~ 80% winrate and still lost to Tempest (does that mean that Best is slumping ? NO... ) , but snatching a random win in ZvZ is far more easier then in PvP . And please before placeing Bisu high in the PR . Ask your question did Bisu did better then JangBI , Kal , Free or Best this month ? I think in over all performance Free should be above all of them , because even in the weakest team he put them on a strong position rapeing all around . And did what the 4 of then could never do and that is eliminate JD from a tournament . Bisu had his chances in 2 MSLs , Kal had his chance in the MSL final , Best in WCG and JangBI had his chance in GOM classic .So if anyone deserves to be high it should be Free the others should fill up the spots between #5-10 and squeeze an OSL dead Fantasy in there .Damn it too many toss on the rank next PR .
Bisu is the most solid player of the SKT1 in PL, he did not play as much as Best, cuz he was ill, and imo he is the favorite to take the MSL. Jangbi is doing great, but he needs some shoking results to put him in top3, owning mid-low class players is great, but he needs to prove himself against top tier. His stat since october is stellar, but he did not take down any of the previous top10 PR ranked players.
Kal, no! Kal is inconsistent you can't put him above Bisu, no way. he can beat eveybody, he can loose to everyobdy.
Best, his PvZ is quite bad, and his PvP isnt' unstopable anymore, after he lost the semis he dropped a game against a noob-toss in PL, with almost mirror builds.
Free. yes, free is damn good, JD underestimated him after the 2nd game, that costed him the series. His results in PL are awesome, despite he must play 2 games/match and he has to practice to MSL too. higher than Bisu, idk, maybe, but i wouldnt do that.
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Bisu should take #2 IMO, he's playing like a beast and, should he beat FBH, he will be the favorite for the MSL title.
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If Bisu beats FBH I think he has to be ranked second.
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I actually think stork should take both, #1 & #2 
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On November 05 2008 23:51 Paddington wrote:
Bisu should take #2 IMO, he's playing like a beast and, should he beat FBH, he will be the favorite for the MSL title.
And i think that Free is playing better then Bisu how can you argue besides your bias with him that he did better then Free or is better overall ?
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On November 06 2008 02:30 Nick_54 wrote:
If Bisu beats FBH I think he has to be ranked second.
Ehhh. I don't know about that. FBH has a history of epic fails in TvP (outside of his MSL group of course) and wouldn't mean much if Bisu just straight up rapes FBH in this matchup. Think it would mean more if FBH destroys Bisu because that would mean he knows all three matchups and doesn't live to be an OSL-less Casy.
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On November 06 2008 04:29 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2008 23:51 Paddington wrote:
Bisu should take #2 IMO, he's playing like a beast and, should he beat FBH, he will be the favorite for the MSL title. And i think that Free is playing better then Bisu how can you argue besides your bias with him that he did better then Free or is better overall ?
raga free didn't qualify for the osl, bisu did and made it all the way to the round of 8. he's beaten iris, july, much (3-0), and hwasin in the last 3 months, and was a series of blunders away from beating stork. all the while he's 4-0 in proleague.
free has certainly been impressive too, beating jaedong, and going 7-2 in proleague, but...his results just aren't better than bisu... at best, equal.
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On November 06 2008 04:46 traced wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2008 04:29 raga4ka wrote:On November 05 2008 23:51 Paddington wrote:
Bisu should take #2 IMO, he's playing like a beast and, should he beat FBH, he will be the favorite for the MSL title. And i think that Free is playing better then Bisu how can you argue besides your bias with him that he did better then Free or is better overall ? raga free didn't qualify for the osl, bisu did and made it all the way to the round of 8. he's beaten iris, july, much (3-0), and hwasin in the last 3 months, and was a series of blunders away from beating stork. all the while he's 4-0 in proleague. free has certainly been impressive too, beating jaedong, and going 7-2 in proleague, but...his results just aren't better than bisu... at best, equal.
I know everything about StarCraft because I read the TLPD
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On November 06 2008 09:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2008 04:46 traced wrote:On November 06 2008 04:29 raga4ka wrote:On November 05 2008 23:51 Paddington wrote:
Bisu should take #2 IMO, he's playing like a beast and, should he beat FBH, he will be the favorite for the MSL title. And i think that Free is playing better then Bisu how can you argue besides your bias with him that he did better then Free or is better overall ? raga free didn't qualify for the osl, bisu did and made it all the way to the round of 8. he's beaten iris, july, much (3-0), and hwasin in the last 3 months, and was a series of blunders away from beating stork. all the while he's 4-0 in proleague. free has certainly been impressive too, beating jaedong, and going 7-2 in proleague, but...his results just aren't better than bisu... at best, equal. I know everything about StarCraft because I read the TLPD
lol, whatever dude, i've seen all of the games i mentioned, and strength of schedule is still an applicable argument in any sports polling system. but seriously you could say this to anyone in the thread if you isolate only one of their posts, so i guess you're just being a dick.
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On November 05 2008 20:03 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2008 13:49 OneOther wrote:On November 03 2008 11:58 traced wrote:On November 03 2008 08:31 OneOther wrote:
I don't know why you guys think Stork is sub par PvZ. He's a favorite against any player except Jaedong. He's 50-50 against JD, looking at the way those two have been playing lately. lets not get ahead of ourselves It's true, sorry bud. Jaedong and Julyzerg (for the reason listed above) are the only zergs even or favored against Stork. And they can't win ZvTs so it all works out. We can't really tell who would win Stork vs Jaedong. I know Jaedong has a great ZvP, but he HAS been slipping a bit, while Stork has been playing at his best. Although his PvZ hasn't been proven yet, I can't put Stork as the underdog. Just my thoughts but I would reluctantly agree with whoever puts Jaedong as the favorite against Stork, because his ZvP has already been proven. Regardless of his recent performance, of course. I would say that Jaedong and July are favourite againts Stork even if they lose a game or two now and then and even if Stork has great momentum at the moment . Their ZvP are an a greater lvl then Stork's PvZ . And other players like Calm and Effort could give Stork a run for his money . I think Effort's ZvP is pretty good since i saw him rape Kal in his group with Flash . Calm is a solid all around player that needs to be tested more i wouldn't give him much of a chance vs Stork right now thought . Luxury and Yarnc need to evolve their ZvP they are doing poor ZvP wise and will struggle vs Stork and like almost every other P with a decent PvZ . I don't know why people bring back the games vs Han as an argument that Flash is doing better then Jaedong because at that same time Jaedong won WCG korea and raped flash in GomTV classic . So bringing back games which happend months ago doesn't come in to account in this months PR . Since when is loseing 2 PL games is a sign of Jaedong slumping he is still playing great even if he lost a series vs a good PvZ yes he lost 2 -1 but he still didn't play that bad maybe wrong strategy execution but it is all map dependent . Losing 1 ZvZ doesn't meen shit even if he has ~ 80% winrate vs zerg . Look at Best ~ 80% winrate and still lost to Tempest (does that mean that Best is slumping ? NO... ) , but snatching a random win in ZvZ is far more easier then in PvP . And please before placeing Bisu high in the PR . Ask your question did Bisu did better then JangBI , Kal , Free or Best this month ? I think in over all performance Free should be above all of them , because even in the weakest team he put them on a strong position rapeing all around . And did what the 4 of then could never do and that is eliminate JD from a tournament . Bisu had his chances in 2 MSLs , Kal had his chance in the MSL final , Best in WCG and JangBI had his chance in GOM classic .So if anyone deserves to be high it should be Free the others should fill up the spots between #5-10 and squeeze an OSL dead Fantasy in there .Damn it too many toss on the rank next PR .
yeah thats pretty extreme stork hype to say that stork is favored against any zerg except jaedon who is maybe 50-50 in his weakest matchup
you don't actually believe that do you?
I mean its not like hes been facing a ton of high level zergs
actually hes barely faced any zergs at all
he has probably the best pvt and pvp in the world right now, but lets not get ahead of ourselves
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On November 06 2008 11:01 fusionsdf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2008 20:03 raga4ka wrote:On November 03 2008 13:49 OneOther wrote:On November 03 2008 11:58 traced wrote:On November 03 2008 08:31 OneOther wrote:
I don't know why you guys think Stork is sub par PvZ. He's a favorite against any player except Jaedong. He's 50-50 against JD, looking at the way those two have been playing lately. lets not get ahead of ourselves It's true, sorry bud. Jaedong and Julyzerg (for the reason listed above) are the only zergs even or favored against Stork. And they can't win ZvTs so it all works out. We can't really tell who would win Stork vs Jaedong. I know Jaedong has a great ZvP, but he HAS been slipping a bit, while Stork has been playing at his best. Although his PvZ hasn't been proven yet, I can't put Stork as the underdog. Just my thoughts but I would reluctantly agree with whoever puts Jaedong as the favorite against Stork, because his ZvP has already been proven. Regardless of his recent performance, of course. I would say that Jaedong and July are favourite againts Stork even if they lose a game or two now and then and even if Stork has great momentum at the moment . Their ZvP are an a greater lvl then Stork's PvZ . And other players like Calm and Effort could give Stork a run for his money . I think Effort's ZvP is pretty good since i saw him rape Kal in his group with Flash . Calm is a solid all around player that needs to be tested more i wouldn't give him much of a chance vs Stork right now thought . Luxury and Yarnc need to evolve their ZvP they are doing poor ZvP wise and will struggle vs Stork and like almost every other P with a decent PvZ . I don't know why people bring back the games vs Han as an argument that Flash is doing better then Jaedong because at that same time Jaedong won WCG korea and raped flash in GomTV classic . So bringing back games which happend months ago doesn't come in to account in this months PR . Since when is loseing 2 PL games is a sign of Jaedong slumping he is still playing great even if he lost a series vs a good PvZ yes he lost 2 -1 but he still didn't play that bad maybe wrong strategy execution but it is all map dependent . Losing 1 ZvZ doesn't meen shit even if he has ~ 80% winrate vs zerg . Look at Best ~ 80% winrate and still lost to Tempest (does that mean that Best is slumping ? NO... ) , but snatching a random win in ZvZ is far more easier then in PvP . And please before placeing Bisu high in the PR . Ask your question did Bisu did better then JangBI , Kal , Free or Best this month ? I think in over all performance Free should be above all of them , because even in the weakest team he put them on a strong position rapeing all around . And did what the 4 of then could never do and that is eliminate JD from a tournament . Bisu had his chances in 2 MSLs , Kal had his chance in the MSL final , Best in WCG and JangBI had his chance in GOM classic .So if anyone deserves to be high it should be Free the others should fill up the spots between #5-10 and squeeze an OSL dead Fantasy in there .Damn it too many toss on the rank next PR . yeah thats pretty extreme stork hype to say that stork is favored against any zerg except jaedon who is maybe 50-50 in his weakest matchup you don't actually believe that do you? I mean its not like hes been facing a ton of high level zergs actually hes barely faced any zergs at all he has probably the best pvt and pvp in the world right now, but lets not get ahead of ourselves
k who's favored against stork
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On November 05 2008 08:22 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2008 06:36 SimonB wrote:
JD: Eliminated from qualifiers in OSL. Eliminated in the round of 16 in MSL.
Flash: Eliminated from round of 8 in OSL. Eliminated in the round of 32 in MSL.
Neither tore up the starleagues, but objectively, you have to give the nod to Flash for getting much further in the OSL. The fact of the matter is JD was lucky to get to the Ro16 in the MSL. He very nearly lost to a trio of a middling terrans—only squeaking by when go.go completely screwed up and he cheesed upmagic.
Flash has done pretty significantly better in the proleague. He's also ahead in ELO. 1. Read the guy's comment above you, watch the games, don't just give out stats and work with stats. 2. Jaedong didn't luckily muta micro his way against go.go, that was skill, if you call that luck, we define the word differently. Why do you think both Frozean and gogo cheesed him? 9Pool is not a cheese, don't even try to argue this. 3. ELO means squat when it comes to PR, well, almost squat , but completely squat in this case. 4. Would you care to elaborate how Flash did significantly better in proleague?
Uh, you mean besides being 9-3 versus 6-3, where most of his losses have been BO losses?
In any sort of objective standard, Flash has played better and has performed better this season. The only argument against him is his losses have been more devastating (14cc loss and when he screwed up against GGPlay in set3) whereas JD has just sort of lost out in standard play. His superior ELO is reflective that he has won at a higher standard against better opponents. Why you think ELO doesn't have any bearing, I don't know, but I guess I just can't follow JD fanboy logic.
He has done better in the tournaments, he has done better in proleague. His standard of play has been better (even if his losses have been bad). Perhaps a viewpoint to rank JD ahead of Flash is for his performance of LAST SEASON, but Flash wasn't so far behind then, and he's OBVIOUSLY, despite fanboy BS, done better this season.
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On November 06 2008 11:17 SimonB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2008 08:22 Avidkeystamper wrote:On November 05 2008 06:36 SimonB wrote:
JD: Eliminated from qualifiers in OSL. Eliminated in the round of 16 in MSL.
Flash: Eliminated from round of 8 in OSL. Eliminated in the round of 32 in MSL.
Neither tore up the starleagues, but objectively, you have to give the nod to Flash for getting much further in the OSL. The fact of the matter is JD was lucky to get to the Ro16 in the MSL. He very nearly lost to a trio of a middling terrans—only squeaking by when go.go completely screwed up and he cheesed upmagic.
Flash has done pretty significantly better in the proleague. He's also ahead in ELO. 1. Read the guy's comment above you, watch the games, don't just give out stats and work with stats. 2. Jaedong didn't luckily muta micro his way against go.go, that was skill, if you call that luck, we define the word differently. Why do you think both Frozean and gogo cheesed him? 9Pool is not a cheese, don't even try to argue this. 3. ELO means squat when it comes to PR, well, almost squat , but completely squat in this case. 4. Would you care to elaborate how Flash did significantly better in proleague? Uh, you mean besides being 9-3 versus 6-3, where most of his losses have been BO losses? In any sort of objective standard, Flash has played better and has performed better this season. The only argument against him is his losses have been more devastating (14cc loss and when he screwed up against GGPlay in set3) whereas JD has just sort of lost out in standard play. His superior ELO is reflective that he has won at a higher standard against better opponents. Why you think ELO doesn't have any bearing, I don't know, but I guess I just can't follow JD fanboy logic. He has done better in the tournaments, he has done better in proleague. His standard of play has been better (even if his losses have been bad). Perhaps a viewpoint to rank JD ahead of Flash is for his performance of LAST SEASON, but Flash wasn't so far behind then, and he's OBVIOUSLY, despite fanboy BS, done better this season.
There's no point arguing with you. You're a Flash fanboy and I'm a Jaedong fanboy. So I'm dropping it and seeing where FakeSteve puts them.
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On November 06 2008 11:15 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2008 11:01 fusionsdf wrote:On November 05 2008 20:03 raga4ka wrote:On November 03 2008 13:49 OneOther wrote:On November 03 2008 11:58 traced wrote:On November 03 2008 08:31 OneOther wrote:
I don't know why you guys think Stork is sub par PvZ. He's a favorite against any player except Jaedong. He's 50-50 against JD, looking at the way those two have been playing lately. lets not get ahead of ourselves It's true, sorry bud. Jaedong and Julyzerg (for the reason listed above) are the only zergs even or favored against Stork. And they can't win ZvTs so it all works out. We can't really tell who would win Stork vs Jaedong. I know Jaedong has a great ZvP, but he HAS been slipping a bit, while Stork has been playing at his best. Although his PvZ hasn't been proven yet, I can't put Stork as the underdog. Just my thoughts but I would reluctantly agree with whoever puts Jaedong as the favorite against Stork, because his ZvP has already been proven. Regardless of his recent performance, of course. I would say that Jaedong and July are favourite againts Stork even if they lose a game or two now and then and even if Stork has great momentum at the moment . Their ZvP are an a greater lvl then Stork's PvZ . And other players like Calm and Effort could give Stork a run for his money . I think Effort's ZvP is pretty good since i saw him rape Kal in his group with Flash . Calm is a solid all around player that needs to be tested more i wouldn't give him much of a chance vs Stork right now thought . Luxury and Yarnc need to evolve their ZvP they are doing poor ZvP wise and will struggle vs Stork and like almost every other P with a decent PvZ . I don't know why people bring back the games vs Han as an argument that Flash is doing better then Jaedong because at that same time Jaedong won WCG korea and raped flash in GomTV classic . So bringing back games which happend months ago doesn't come in to account in this months PR . Since when is loseing 2 PL games is a sign of Jaedong slumping he is still playing great even if he lost a series vs a good PvZ yes he lost 2 -1 but he still didn't play that bad maybe wrong strategy execution but it is all map dependent . Losing 1 ZvZ doesn't meen shit even if he has ~ 80% winrate vs zerg . Look at Best ~ 80% winrate and still lost to Tempest (does that mean that Best is slumping ? NO... ) , but snatching a random win in ZvZ is far more easier then in PvP . And please before placeing Bisu high in the PR . Ask your question did Bisu did better then JangBI , Kal , Free or Best this month ? I think in over all performance Free should be above all of them , because even in the weakest team he put them on a strong position rapeing all around . And did what the 4 of then could never do and that is eliminate JD from a tournament . Bisu had his chances in 2 MSLs , Kal had his chance in the MSL final , Best in WCG and JangBI had his chance in GOM classic .So if anyone deserves to be high it should be Free the others should fill up the spots between #5-10 and squeeze an OSL dead Fantasy in there .Damn it too many toss on the rank next PR . yeah thats pretty extreme stork hype to say that stork is favored against any zerg except jaedon who is maybe 50-50 in his weakest matchup you don't actually believe that do you? I mean its not like hes been facing a ton of high level zergs actually hes barely faced any zergs at all he has probably the best pvt and pvp in the world right now, but lets not get ahead of ourselves k who's favored against stork
favored? maybe not a ton (this says more about the current weakness of zergs rather than the strength of stork pvz)
but pretty much any mediocre zerg having a good day has a chance against stork
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On November 06 2008 12:08 fusionsdf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2008 11:15 OneOther wrote:On November 06 2008 11:01 fusionsdf wrote:On November 05 2008 20:03 raga4ka wrote:On November 03 2008 13:49 OneOther wrote:On November 03 2008 11:58 traced wrote:On November 03 2008 08:31 OneOther wrote:
I don't know why you guys think Stork is sub par PvZ. He's a favorite against any player except Jaedong. He's 50-50 against JD, looking at the way those two have been playing lately. lets not get ahead of ourselves It's true, sorry bud. Jaedong and Julyzerg (for the reason listed above) are the only zergs even or favored against Stork. And they can't win ZvTs so it all works out. We can't really tell who would win Stork vs Jaedong. I know Jaedong has a great ZvP, but he HAS been slipping a bit, while Stork has been playing at his best. Although his PvZ hasn't been proven yet, I can't put Stork as the underdog. Just my thoughts but I would reluctantly agree with whoever puts Jaedong as the favorite against Stork, because his ZvP has already been proven. Regardless of his recent performance, of course. I would say that Jaedong and July are favourite againts Stork even if they lose a game or two now and then and even if Stork has great momentum at the moment . Their ZvP are an a greater lvl then Stork's PvZ . And other players like Calm and Effort could give Stork a run for his money . I think Effort's ZvP is pretty good since i saw him rape Kal in his group with Flash . Calm is a solid all around player that needs to be tested more i wouldn't give him much of a chance vs Stork right now thought . Luxury and Yarnc need to evolve their ZvP they are doing poor ZvP wise and will struggle vs Stork and like almost every other P with a decent PvZ . I don't know why people bring back the games vs Han as an argument that Flash is doing better then Jaedong because at that same time Jaedong won WCG korea and raped flash in GomTV classic . So bringing back games which happend months ago doesn't come in to account in this months PR . Since when is loseing 2 PL games is a sign of Jaedong slumping he is still playing great even if he lost a series vs a good PvZ yes he lost 2 -1 but he still didn't play that bad maybe wrong strategy execution but it is all map dependent . Losing 1 ZvZ doesn't meen shit even if he has ~ 80% winrate vs zerg . Look at Best ~ 80% winrate and still lost to Tempest (does that mean that Best is slumping ? NO... ) , but snatching a random win in ZvZ is far more easier then in PvP . And please before placeing Bisu high in the PR . Ask your question did Bisu did better then JangBI , Kal , Free or Best this month ? I think in over all performance Free should be above all of them , because even in the weakest team he put them on a strong position rapeing all around . And did what the 4 of then could never do and that is eliminate JD from a tournament . Bisu had his chances in 2 MSLs , Kal had his chance in the MSL final , Best in WCG and JangBI had his chance in GOM classic .So if anyone deserves to be high it should be Free the others should fill up the spots between #5-10 and squeeze an OSL dead Fantasy in there .Damn it too many toss on the rank next PR . yeah thats pretty extreme stork hype to say that stork is favored against any zerg except jaedon who is maybe 50-50 in his weakest matchup you don't actually believe that do you? I mean its not like hes been facing a ton of high level zergs actually hes barely faced any zergs at all he has probably the best pvt and pvp in the world right now, but lets not get ahead of ourselves k who's favored against stork favored? maybe not a ton (this says more about the current weakness of zergs rather than the strength of stork pvz) but pretty much any mediocre zerg having a good day has a chance against stork
maybe in a bo1, with a well-executed cheese. nobody besides jaedong/july is "favored" against stork. of course there's a chance, but would definitely be the underdog. Stork's pvz is pretty damn solid.
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On November 06 2008 09:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2008 04:46 traced wrote:On November 06 2008 04:29 raga4ka wrote:On November 05 2008 23:51 Paddington wrote:
Bisu should take #2 IMO, he's playing like a beast and, should he beat FBH, he will be the favorite for the MSL title. And i think that Free is playing better then Bisu how can you argue besides your bias with him that he did better then Free or is better overall ? raga free didn't qualify for the osl, bisu did and made it all the way to the round of 8. he's beaten iris, july, much (3-0), and hwasin in the last 3 months, and was a series of blunders away from beating stork. all the while he's 4-0 in proleague. free has certainly been impressive too, beating jaedong, and going 7-2 in proleague, but...his results just aren't better than bisu... at best, equal. I know everything about StarCraft because I read the TLPD
Um have you seen the games that Bisu have been winning? They are all pretty damn convincing. Bisu has played a lot more games than free this month and has shown that he is back and pretty consistent. The only thing that can make free better than bisu this month is the bo3 win over jaedong but I think it's still too early to put him over bisu. From your post you seem more like a jerk rather than actually taking into account what traced is saying
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On November 06 2008 12:17 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2008 12:08 fusionsdf wrote:On November 06 2008 11:15 OneOther wrote:On November 06 2008 11:01 fusionsdf wrote:On November 05 2008 20:03 raga4ka wrote:On November 03 2008 13:49 OneOther wrote:On November 03 2008 11:58 traced wrote:On November 03 2008 08:31 OneOther wrote:
I don't know why you guys think Stork is sub par PvZ. He's a favorite against any player except Jaedong. He's 50-50 against JD, looking at the way those two have been playing lately. lets not get ahead of ourselves It's true, sorry bud. Jaedong and Julyzerg (for the reason listed above) are the only zergs even or favored against Stork. And they can't win ZvTs so it all works out. We can't really tell who would win Stork vs Jaedong. I know Jaedong has a great ZvP, but he HAS been slipping a bit, while Stork has been playing at his best. Although his PvZ hasn't been proven yet, I can't put Stork as the underdog. Just my thoughts but I would reluctantly agree with whoever puts Jaedong as the favorite against Stork, because his ZvP has already been proven. Regardless of his recent performance, of course. I would say that Jaedong and July are favourite againts Stork even if they lose a game or two now and then and even if Stork has great momentum at the moment . Their ZvP are an a greater lvl then Stork's PvZ . And other players like Calm and Effort could give Stork a run for his money . I think Effort's ZvP is pretty good since i saw him rape Kal in his group with Flash . Calm is a solid all around player that needs to be tested more i wouldn't give him much of a chance vs Stork right now thought . Luxury and Yarnc need to evolve their ZvP they are doing poor ZvP wise and will struggle vs Stork and like almost every other P with a decent PvZ . I don't know why people bring back the games vs Han as an argument that Flash is doing better then Jaedong because at that same time Jaedong won WCG korea and raped flash in GomTV classic . So bringing back games which happend months ago doesn't come in to account in this months PR . Since when is loseing 2 PL games is a sign of Jaedong slumping he is still playing great even if he lost a series vs a good PvZ yes he lost 2 -1 but he still didn't play that bad maybe wrong strategy execution but it is all map dependent . Losing 1 ZvZ doesn't meen shit even if he has ~ 80% winrate vs zerg . Look at Best ~ 80% winrate and still lost to Tempest (does that mean that Best is slumping ? NO... ) , but snatching a random win in ZvZ is far more easier then in PvP . And please before placeing Bisu high in the PR . Ask your question did Bisu did better then JangBI , Kal , Free or Best this month ? I think in over all performance Free should be above all of them , because even in the weakest team he put them on a strong position rapeing all around . And did what the 4 of then could never do and that is eliminate JD from a tournament . Bisu had his chances in 2 MSLs , Kal had his chance in the MSL final , Best in WCG and JangBI had his chance in GOM classic .So if anyone deserves to be high it should be Free the others should fill up the spots between #5-10 and squeeze an OSL dead Fantasy in there .Damn it too many toss on the rank next PR . yeah thats pretty extreme stork hype to say that stork is favored against any zerg except jaedon who is maybe 50-50 in his weakest matchup you don't actually believe that do you? I mean its not like hes been facing a ton of high level zergs actually hes barely faced any zergs at all he has probably the best pvt and pvp in the world right now, but lets not get ahead of ourselves k who's favored against stork favored? maybe not a ton (this says more about the current weakness of zergs rather than the strength of stork pvz) but pretty much any mediocre zerg having a good day has a chance against stork maybe in a bo1, with a well-executed cheese. nobody besides jaedong/july is "favored" against stork. of course there's a chance, but would definitely be the underdog. Stork's pvz is pretty damn solid.
I think Stork's PvZ in unknown. There's just no way to gauge it. You can't gauge it off of his other MUs, that's stupid. They don't play the same. You can't gauge it off of his performance against zergs, 'cause there isn't many, the games he played didn't test his PvZ in any way. This wouldn't be a bad thing, except Stork's entire PvZ history leaves a lot to be desired. I doubt his PvZ is strong seeing how much he's practiced (not at all), but his mechanics can certainly boost it. But the point I'm trying to make is that this argument has no substance, there is just no way to determine the level of Stork's PvZ.
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