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On November 06 2008 12:26 nujabes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2008 09:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 06 2008 04:46 traced wrote:On November 06 2008 04:29 raga4ka wrote:On November 05 2008 23:51 Paddington wrote:
Bisu should take #2 IMO, he's playing like a beast and, should he beat FBH, he will be the favorite for the MSL title. And i think that Free is playing better then Bisu how can you argue besides your bias with him that he did better then Free or is better overall ? raga free didn't qualify for the osl, bisu did and made it all the way to the round of 8. he's beaten iris, july, much (3-0), and hwasin in the last 3 months, and was a series of blunders away from beating stork. all the while he's 4-0 in proleague. free has certainly been impressive too, beating jaedong, and going 7-2 in proleague, but...his results just aren't better than bisu... at best, equal. I know everything about StarCraft because I read the TLPD Um have you seen the games that Bisu have been winning? They are all pretty damn convincing. Bisu has played a lot more games than free this month and has shown that he is back and pretty consistent. The only thing that can make free better than bisu this month is the bo3 win over jaedong but I think it's still too early to put him over bisu. From your post you seem more like a jerk rather than actually taking into account what traced is saying
Actually, I agree with traced. It just seemed off-base that he responded to someone saying "Free's games were better than Bisu's" and Traced responded with stats and records.
I feel Bisu should be higher than Free, he won his games in more convincing fashion. However, I also feel he should not be number 2.
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hey, flash has been doing ok lately
*flash love*
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whats happened to flash? guess malfunctioning weapon? but he'll be up there #1 in no time, its about time a terran can start dominating nerds.. again. after all it's the most manly race (interpret that last sentence more like macho not mankind'ish)
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You dare imply Reach is less manly than the Terran race combined?!
BLASPHEMY!
On a serious note, Flash never loses his ability to play. He just doesn't win for dumb reasons, but he does it a lot. Maybe it's school.
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It is true and rather surprising that Flash can always stomp randoms even when he's sucking. He did not play particularly well in the final rounds (post-Lucifer?) of GOM season 1 but he still raped all his b tier opponents without breaking a sweat and then got owned by Jaedong as he should have.
But it is also clear that if Flash is not getting an advantage from intelligence he has little consistent chance against in-form S pros. Until he has shown that he can outthink them like old Flash I don't see him winning any championships. But he might have gotten out of that rut where he just relied on 14cc to get early macro leads rather than outthinking them to gain leads, and he's definitely picked up his pace since that embarassing loss to Jaedong (And yes 9 pool is a fair risk ZvT). We shall see where this current 6 game streak leads.
He certainly did a lot better than Jaedong this month. Oops, that just discredited me completely now, yeah? Jaedong fanboys are for whatever reason just as ridiculous as the Protoss fanboys back when people complained all day about PvZ imbalance. It is impossible to argue them down; in silence and Fakesteve I trust.
Btw that GGplay loss isn't Flash's fault really. When I read the LRs I got the impression that Flash mistakenly left 3 vultures on top of a mine like a typical tvp for lower level players but in reality the mine got carried a screen and nailed 3 moving vultures. That's just plain unlucky.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
oh boy, there's gonna be a lot of unhappy people this month. everyone wants their special favourite player to be #2.
i know who is playing well, my rank will be comprehensive and infallible
here's a hint: all you guys who think flash is playing bad lately are dumb
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On November 06 2008 17:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
oh boy, there's gonna be a lot of unhappy people this month. everyone wants their special favourite player to be #2.
i know who is playing well, my rank will be comprehensive and infallible
here's a hint: all you guys who think flash is playing bad lately are dumb
This. I don't even like Flash much, but he deserves to be somewhere on the rank.
EDIT: My special favourite player is sAviOr - any chance of a number 2 spot?? (jk)
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who is your Revolutionist now ?
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On November 06 2008 17:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
oh boy, there's gonna be a lot of unhappy people this month. everyone wants their special favourite player to be #2.
i know who is playing well, my rank will be comprehensive and infallible
here's a hint: all you guys who think flash is playing bad lately are dumb
PR coming out tomorrow?
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On November 06 2008 17:32 Ver wrote:
It is true and rather surprising that Flash can always stomp randoms even when he's sucking. He did not play particularly well in the final rounds (post-Lucifer?) of GOM season 1 but he still raped all his b tier opponents without breaking a sweat and then got owned by Jaedong as he should have.
But it is also clear that if Flash is not getting an advantage from intelligence he has little consistent chance against in-form S pros. Until he has shown that he can outthink them like old Flash I don't see him winning any championships. But he might have gotten out of that rut where he just relied on 14cc to get early macro leads rather than outthinking them to gain leads, and he's definitely picked up his pace since that embarassing loss to Jaedong (And yes 9 pool is a fair risk ZvT). We shall see where this current 6 game streak leads.
He certainly did a lot better than Jaedong this month. Oops, that just discredited me completely now, yeah? Jaedong fanboys are for whatever reason just as ridiculous as the Protoss fanboys back when people complained all day about PvZ imbalance. It is impossible to argue them down; in silence and Fakesteve I trust.
Btw that GGplay loss isn't Flash's fault really. When I read the LRs I got the impression that Flash mistakenly left 3 vultures on top of a mine like a typical tvp for lower level players but in reality the mine got carried a screen and nailed 3 moving vultures. That's just plain unlucky.
Zerg fanboys are ridculous, so are protoss', only those enlightened fans are wothy watching starcraft who love the terrans beyond anything, and arent bored with the fact that more than the half of the major titles were won by Terrans, right? Am is seeing clearly now?
Please, Master, share more of your wisdom to us, unworthy fools.
Serious part: Mines sometimes kill the vultures. zerglings run fast there is a very high % that some of them actually gonna drive a mine or two in the terran's units. That's not unlucky. Lucky would be if mines wouldn't kill any vultures (that's why nobody uses mines in ZvT, untill the ultras are out). And that game wasn't about those few vultures, the mines killed all the lurkers too, so you can't say Flash had more losses from that breaktrough. the only problem was Flash coudn't keep his nat, cuz he wasnt prepard for an assault, and yes, that's his fault. If you look at his face after the loss, you can read "Oh, i fucked it up so badly, i can't believe what i've just done" or sg like that. (Not the "it wasnt my fault, pure lack of luck").
About him and JD, his stat may be better, JD may have difficulties, that dosent mean he's the better one. Going 9pool in ZvT risky? Well, myabe, but not really, it's a quite common opening, Luxury's favorite. But if we look trough the builds a bit. What did Flash in the past few months mostly? Cheesed or gone for a greedy build. What is the build that punishes both of them? 9 pool. There you go.
So no, Flash isnt better than JD, even at the best, and only because JD had a damn bad week.
And yes, i hate Flash, i love Jaedong. I admitted when Flash was better, and i cheered for JD to come back and KO him, which happened in GOM finals. Having a bad week dosent changes up everything.
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On November 06 2008 17:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
oh boy, there's gonna be a lot of unhappy people this month. everyone wants their special favourite player to be #2.
i know who is playing well, my rank will be comprehensive and infallible
here's a hint: all you guys who think flash is playing bad lately are dumb
The problem is that all the players who will be in the PR are not playing bad .
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My rank would be:
1. Stork(without question)
2. Jaedong(I like Bisu a little bit better,and he is on fire,but still,dropping JD isn't justified)
3. Bisu(He's on fire,he hasn't lost a single fucking game since the last PR,his victories were not just victories but he wiped the floor with his opponents)
4. Free(Hot as hell)
5. Fantasy(He has given a fight to Stork that neither Flash,nor any other Terrans could have given him atm imo)
6.Best(His P v P isn't untouchable anymore and with his P v Z,he doesn't deserve to be higher atm)
7. Flash(He's great,but he's not in leagues unlike the players ranked above him,and I think he wouldn't beat Free,Bisu or Jaedong atm,maybe he could be switched with Fantasy)
8.Kal(impressive in PL and fresh off beating the current best player)
9. Jangbi(Impressive,has a good shot at MSL)
10. ForGG(Despite not in the MSL anymore,and not being undefeated in PL,he is a solid player,much better and complex than his concurrence for this spot. His T v T is beastly,and he is still the current MSL champ,although not for long).
CNBC: Nobody really,except for FBH, or Nada
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On November 06 2008 22:13 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2008 17:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
oh boy, there's gonna be a lot of unhappy people this month. everyone wants their special favourite player to be #2.
i know who is playing well, my rank will be comprehensive and infallible
here's a hint: all you guys who think flash is playing bad lately are dumb The problem is that all the players who will be in the PR are not playing bad .
In fact, there are players who are playing really well who will not be on the PR. So many players are playing really well right now.
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I will write one too, not the perfect one, whatever.
1. Stork : (question?)
2. Bisu : 11 consecutive wins, MSL semifinalist, good chanse for taking the title, undefeated in PL.
3. Jaedong: He had a bad week, he may be even lower, but i don't see anybody who is unquestioanbly better than him, despite his very bad week when he got 3 annoying losses. I have faith in him, he will show that he's really in the top 3. I'm a biased piece of shit, i know, and i dont care, dont boder writing it down.
4. Free: the reason he's lower than JD, despite he beat him, is that i dont see him becoming a champion or capable of owning for months, he's kicking asses but an all toss top3 would be a bit too much (for all of you who are writing answer right after read this: it's a joke, not a real argument)
5. Fantasy reaching an OSL finals and pushing Stork to the limit is not a small feat, but other than that, not too much. His TvZ build is less and less efective as the days pass, and he sux with mnm. It is said his TvT is his best mu, he got eliminated from an MSL group with 2 Ts, his overall tvt stat this month is 3-3. His TvP 5-5, that's a good stat if we look at his opponents.
6. Flash : he seemes as if he's capable of getting back on the track, results are needed. 9-3 in PL is a very good start
7. Best: loosing the semis in his best mu, quite weak PvZ, some unexpected losses in PL. But he's great still. 8-3 in PL is cool.
8. Kal : good player overall, his win over Storkis his assurance on this rank
9. Jangbi: stellar stat, but nothing shocking.
10. Forgg: He's in the terran-top3 and this time this place goes for the terrans.
CBNC
FBH, he had the chanse to be in the PR, getting raped by Bisu in bo5 sealed the deal. He's not that good in PL, no reason putting him on the list.
Nada, still in the MSL, had 2 wins in the PL, doesnt hurts if we give him a CBNC
RoRo, that guy knows something, he just came in, lost 2 games, and after that he's kicking asses
Maybe the twins for overall decnet performence.
Leta?
I'm sure Fakesteve's PR gonna be completly diffrenet :/
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On November 06 2008 22:28 Darth Peter wrote:
My rank would be:
1. Stork(without question)
2. Jaedong(I like Bisu a little bit better,and he is on fire,but still,dropping JD isn't justified)
3. Bisu(He's on fire,he hasn't lost a single fucking game since the last PR,his victories were not just victories but he wiped the floor with his opponents)
4. Free(Hot as hell)
5. Fantasy(He has given a fight to Stork that neither Flash,nor any other Terrans could have given him atm imo)
6.Best(His P v P isn't untouchable anymore and with his P v Z,he doesn't deserve to be higher atm)
7. Flash(He's great,but he's not in leagues unlike the players ranked above him,and I think he wouldn't beat Free,Bisu or Jaedong atm,maybe he could be switched with Fantasy)
8.Kal(impressive in PL and fresh off beating the current best player)
9. Jangbi(Impressive,has a good shot at MSL)
10. ForGG(Despite not in the MSL anymore,and not being undefeated in PL,he is a solid player,much better and complex than his concurrence for this spot. His T v T is beastly,and he is still the current MSL champ,although not for long).
CNBC: Nobody really,except for FBH, or Nada
Almost similar to mine:
1. Stork
2. Jaedong
3. Bisu
4. Best
5. Fantasy
6. Flash
7. ForGG
8. Free
I dont know about 9~10 + CBNC
Enjoy your 1month of dominance Stork!
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JD > Bisu in the PR for this month should be put in some sort of SC jokes collection
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I say we wait till sunday to decide where to put flash. Let him show what hes got against fantasy.
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On November 07 2008 04:47 Kong John wrote:
I say we wait till sunday to decide where to put flash. Let him show what hes got against fantasy.
hopefully PR gonna be relased untill sunday. Tomorrow? FSteve?
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1. Stork
2. Bisu
3. Jaedong
4. Free
5. Flash
6. Kal
7. Jangbi
8. Fantasy
9. Best
10.ForGG
I dont know about this, but this is what I could come up with. I dont think Flash is playing bad. Im just thinking Bisu and Free played better
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