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On November 08 2008 03:11 Darth Peter wrote:
I am biased,but I think Bisu is the hottest. He has 11 game winning streak,strong in all matchups,winning all matches in the Proleague and really consistent,and looked beastly in his matches. Both Kal and Jangbi are impressive,and good in all MU,but I don't think they looked as good as Bisu in their matches. I think that Free is the closest to Bisu right now of the other tosses,but deep down inside I feel that Bisu will own him down if they meet in the semifinals.
Me too I think the protosses ranked in order are
Stork
Bisu
Free, Kal, Jangbi in no particular order.
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On November 07 2008 19:36 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2008 18:01 OneOther wrote:On November 07 2008 17:56 Geo.Rion wrote:On November 07 2008 16:57 baubo wrote:On November 07 2008 14:49 Geo.Rion wrote:On November 07 2008 11:18 baubo wrote:On November 07 2008 06:00 Matoo- wrote:
Stork pisses me off a little. I'm happy he finally won an OSL but the lineup of practice partners he had for both semifinals and finals is nothing short of disgusting. :[
I'm sure Fantasy/Best had a lot of non-T1 practice partners too. It's just that their interviews weren't translated. Either that, or T1 prefers to practice in-house, whereas Khan don't really care. Although it seems that Much and Stork are definitely tight. Stork has gone out of his way to point out Much's help. "I want to say special thanks to my teammates yoOn[s.g], Brave, JangBi, Endless, and TT. KTF Violet, Lecaf BackHo, CJ Jjonga, Free and Guemchi from Wstars, and MBC Jaehoon all gave me wonderful support. I also wanna thank CJ Much and WeMade Pure for providing me with tips on builds and strategies. eStro Tester and STX Kal helped me out as well." Well, is was damned surpirsed, and i was thinking, is there a single non-lame toss in korea who didn't help Stork? Yeah, Bisu, since he's best's teammate... Hero V maybe, he had at least a good game last season against Flash. And Daezang, ACE teammembers barely have time fot their own PL practice. Well, just because they supported Stork doesn't mean they didn't help Best practice. These people help by playing against each other, practicing builds in practice games to see whether they may work or not on the big stage. And I have a hard time fathom that all of these tosses pass up a chance to practice PvP with Best. I do think Much and Pure probably came up with actual strategies though. The rest probably just took time to be Stork's practice partners. Then again, Best doesn't seem to be a popular player, unlike Stork. So who knows? This is where I would really like to know Korean. So I can understand these interviews.  yeah, and the other thing i was thinkig, maybe all the tosses want Best to loose, so his confidence breakes, and they should be able to beat him too, which happened, Best just lost to a mediocre-toss in PL Only people who actually HELPED Stork were his teammates and Much/Pure. The rest just gave him practice games, and most likely did the same for BeSt. Everyone who is preparing for a seminfinal/final match gets help from many, many players, it's just Stork bothers listing them all. Imagine how much Oov was helping FanTasy, as well as the other two elite Protoss players in BeSt and Bisu. of course, Fantasy had everything with Bisu, Best, Rainbow (reavers ftw) kingdom and Oov in SKT to prepare for the finals. But i dont know if the players listed prevosuly really played with Best too, i find it a bit odd. You know both strategies, what prevents you too give out one to other? Surely pros cheer for other pros even if they arent his teammeats. But who knows...
I guess they don't give out anyone's strategies, they just solely play verses them.
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On November 08 2008 03:13 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2008 03:11 Darth Peter wrote:
I am biased,but I think Bisu is the hottest. He has 11 game winning streak,strong in all matchups,winning all matches in the Proleague and really consistent,and looked beastly in his matches. Both Kal and Jangbi are impressive,and good in all MU,but I don't think they looked as good as Bisu in their matches. I think that Free is the closest to Bisu right now of the other tosses,but deep down inside I feel that Bisu will own him down if they meet in the semifinals. Me too I think the protosses ranked in order are Stork Bisu Free, Kal, Jangbi in no particular order.
Best? Also, Much? Interested in your opinions of them, too.
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On November 08 2008 13:11 hi19hi19 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2008 03:13 Avidkeystamper wrote:On November 08 2008 03:11 Darth Peter wrote:
I am biased,but I think Bisu is the hottest. He has 11 game winning streak,strong in all matchups,winning all matches in the Proleague and really consistent,and looked beastly in his matches. Both Kal and Jangbi are impressive,and good in all MU,but I don't think they looked as good as Bisu in their matches. I think that Free is the closest to Bisu right now of the other tosses,but deep down inside I feel that Bisu will own him down if they meet in the semifinals. Me too I think the protosses ranked in order are Stork Bisu Free, Kal, Jangbi in no particular order. Best? Also, Much? Interested in your opinions of them, too.
I'd place Best after Bisu but before the other three. Much goes after everybody I listed.
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On November 08 2008 03:13 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2008 03:11 Darth Peter wrote:
I am biased,but I think Bisu is the hottest. He has 11 game winning streak,strong in all matchups,winning all matches in the Proleague and really consistent,and looked beastly in his matches. Both Kal and Jangbi are impressive,and good in all MU,but I don't think they looked as good as Bisu in their matches. I think that Free is the closest to Bisu right now of the other tosses,but deep down inside I feel that Bisu will own him down if they meet in the semifinals. Me too I think the protosses ranked in order are Stork Bisu Free, Kal, Jangbi in no particular order.
Stork, Bisu, Free that's the top3, than comes Best and Kal, Jangbi
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free could get above bisu :D we`ll have to w8 for the semis
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my PR
stork
bisu
jaedong
best
free
flash
fantasy
jangbi
ggplay
forgg
cn to yarnc (learn to zvp), fbh (learn to tvp), kal and pusan
thats too many protoss
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On November 08 2008 17:04 malongo wrote:my PR stork bisu jaedong best free flash fantasy jangbi ggplay forgg cn to yarnc (learn to zvp), fbh (learn to tvp), kal and pusan thats too many protoss
Placing Jaedong will be hard...
and I think Free should be above BeSt?
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Go look at Free's matchlist of the month. Oh my. Could be as high as #3.
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MrHoon
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Stork
Bisu
Kal
Free
Jaedong
Flash
Best
Fantasy
Jangbi
blargblarg
My list, I actually have the balls to put Jaedong lower than 4.
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On November 08 2008 17:22 MrHoon wrote:
Stork
Bisu
Kal
Free
Jaedong
Flash
Best
Fantasy
Jangbi
blargblarg
My list, I actually have the balls to put Jaedong lower than 4.
free>kal, imo
On November 08 2008 17:07 OneOther wrote:
Go look at Free's matchlist of the month. Oh my. Could be as high as #3.
Could be even higher ^^
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Jaedong > Kal. I have the brains to put Jaedong in the top 5.
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On November 08 2008 17:07 OneOther wrote:
Go look at Free's matchlist of the month. Oh my. Could be as high as #3.
an all toss top3? souns bad :/ but free is raping asses so is bisu .
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 08 2008 17:06 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2008 17:04 malongo wrote:my PR stork bisu jaedong best free flash fantasy jangbi ggplay forgg cn to yarnc (learn to zvp), fbh (learn to tvp), kal and pusan thats too many protoss Placing Jaedong will be hard... and I think Free should be above BeSt?
not too sure, best is as good as free on proleague, and his path on osl was stronger than frees on msl (except for jaedong ofc), on mu, i dont see diferences on pvt (skillfull wise) and while frees pvz may look better than bests pvz his pvp is still untested this season and bests pvp is as good as storks and bisus one to me, not too sure really (free makes me doubt he is a monster one day then a c protoss next day).
To the poster before: kal is by no means over jaedong and free and his path on msl wasnt that heavy. Eliminated by effort on osl plus look at his proleague performance 4/4, in fact his only "achievement" this season is 3/2 against stork.
About lee dong me thinks still number 3 because hes over best, and the rest, free took the series against him, but it was clear to me that it could have been easily 2-0 to anyone.
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If Free's P v P is untested or weak,than what about Best's P v Z? Also,Free Beat JD in JD's STRONGEST (along with Z v Z) MU,while Best LOST to Stork in his own strongest MU. And Best's path wasn't hard either. He qualifyed from a terrible group,beat a slump-starting Midas,and lost to the only good player he played. I absolutely love Best,and fucking hate Free,especially for eliminating JD,but he deserves to be above Best. He's a monster,and from his last games,it seemed that his inconsistence is over,and released the beast from inside. I really hope Bisu can beat him,and he has a good chance,because like you said,Free's P v P is untested,while Bisu's is beastly. I don't see Free being ranked above Bisu,nothing would justify that. They are about equally impressive atm,but you can't give a spot to two players,so my Bias says Bisu,because he has no weak MU. His weakest MU is considered to be p v t and he absolutely owned terrans last month,so I would say Bisu is with one liiiiitle bit above Free. But you can argue with both being put above Jd,since Free beat him.
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On November 08 2008 17:29 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Jaedong > Kal. I have the brains to put Jaedong in the top 5.
thats like saying "Flash > Stork, Flash is top 3 guys"
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sorry but i guess i edited my post too many times, jaedong his guilty for his osl pre-kickout. When i made this, i tried to balance it thinking about the posible outcome between them, and jaedong still looks better to me than free and best. (yeah even if he lost to free). And i said that frees pvp is untested but weak?? no man i was trying to say that he has not played against someone on this list yet this season and that has little games on pvp thats all. Bests pvz look fine to me btw not brilliant nor bad.
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I think it's closer to bad,but yeah,you make valid points. I personally would put Free on 4,after Bisu and Jaedong and before Flash,Fantasy, Best. I think that if after the match Jd lost to Free,they would have played another series,Jd would have owned him. But PR is not about what if's, it's about what happened. I personally would place JD above Free,but I wouldn't be surprised,if he's only behind Free.
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