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Stork pisses me off a little. I'm happy he finally won an OSL but the lineup of practice partners he had for both semifinals and finals is nothing short of disgusting. :[
It shows quite well in the games imo, BeSt and Fantasy were clearly often thrown off balance (especially BeSt), while the only time Stork seemed to be caught by surprise is by Fantasy vulture play on Plasma. Their lack of experience also didn't help though.
It doesn't take anything from his skill which was quite spectacular, and Stork has been fucking solid for so long anyway, but sometimes it felt like instead of him it was a monstrous protoss progamer overmind playing through his mechanics.
Okay, as a T1 fan I'm seriously biased, but still, I don't see Stork being 1st for long. Be one of the best players, without a doubt, but to dominate the scene ? Fuck no.
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+ Show Spoiler [Bisu FBH spoilsers] +Bisu is looking really good. I think there's a very good chance that we see 2 protoss in the top three PR. When's the last time that happened? 11 months ago (With JD, Bisu, and Stork no less). The upcoming power rank should be interesting :-)
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On November 06 2008 17:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
oh boy, there's gonna be a lot of unhappy people this month. everyone wants their special favourite player to be #2.
i know who is playing well, my rank will be comprehensive and infallible
here's a hint: all you guys who think flash is playing bad lately are dumb
If Flash is oh, 6th or higher you will be my hero.
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On November 07 2008 06:00 Matoo- wrote:
Stork pisses me off a little. I'm happy he finally won an OSL but the lineup of practice partners he had for both semifinals and finals is nothing short of disgusting. :[
I'm sure Fantasy/Best had a lot of non-T1 practice partners too. It's just that their interviews weren't translated. Either that, or T1 prefers to practice in-house, whereas Khan don't really care.
Although it seems that Much and Stork are definitely tight. Stork has gone out of his way to point out Much's help.
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When should we expect the PR fake steve?
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On November 07 2008 07:31 CDRdude wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Bisu FBH spoilsers] +Bisu is looking really good. I think there's a very good chance that we see 2 protoss in the top three PR. When's the last time that happened? 11 months ago (With JD, Bisu, and Stork no less). The upcoming power rank should be interesting :-)
you mean like this month?
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On November 07 2008 11:18 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2008 06:00 Matoo- wrote:
Stork pisses me off a little. I'm happy he finally won an OSL but the lineup of practice partners he had for both semifinals and finals is nothing short of disgusting. :[
I'm sure Fantasy/Best had a lot of non-T1 practice partners too. It's just that their interviews weren't translated. Either that, or T1 prefers to practice in-house, whereas Khan don't really care. Although it seems that Much and Stork are definitely tight. Stork has gone out of his way to point out Much's help.
"I want to say special thanks to my teammates yoOn[s.g], Brave, JangBi, Endless, and TT. KTF Violet, Lecaf BackHo, CJ Jjonga, Free and Guemchi from Wstars, and MBC Jaehoon all gave me wonderful support. I also wanna thank CJ Much and WeMade Pure for providing me with tips on builds and strategies. eStro Tester and STX Kal helped me out as well."
Well, is was damned surpirsed, and i was thinking, is there a single non-lame toss in korea who didn't help Stork? Yeah, Bisu, since he's best's teammate... Hero V maybe, he had at least a good game last season against Flash. And Daezang, ACE teammembers barely have time fot their own PL practice.
I just read his recent interview, and i was actually surprised by 2 things. The role of Much, and Stork's style.
I knew this befor, but reading his interviews i really got confirmation about it, Stork isn't the player who thinks he's the best, or he can win tripple crown or dominate the scene, own Jaedong to get revenge ( and a bunch of other stuff what Stork fans were saying about him). He really knows and admits what practice, mind-game, and help from others mean, and how things can go either way. I actually like that guy, but when i read how dominant awesome and unbeatable he is al MUs even without practice, i'm really pissed off, but that's not his fault i guess. Btw that was one thing that i hated really much from Flash, i read some of his old intervews back than, and it was full of arrogance, when he beated a heavy favorite, he was like that's nothing, i expected it. Didn't read recent interviews though, to see how much he changed, i still don't like him.
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On November 07 2008 09:20 Pokebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2008 17:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
oh boy, there's gonna be a lot of unhappy people this month. everyone wants their special favourite player to be #2.
i know who is playing well, my rank will be comprehensive and infallible
here's a hint: all you guys who think flash is playing bad lately are dumb If Flash is oh, 6th or higher you will be my hero.
I would put him on 6th too, and i don't like him, so don't be surprised if he's actually higher.
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On November 07 2008 14:49 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2008 11:18 baubo wrote:On November 07 2008 06:00 Matoo- wrote:
Stork pisses me off a little. I'm happy he finally won an OSL but the lineup of practice partners he had for both semifinals and finals is nothing short of disgusting. :[
I'm sure Fantasy/Best had a lot of non-T1 practice partners too. It's just that their interviews weren't translated. Either that, or T1 prefers to practice in-house, whereas Khan don't really care. Although it seems that Much and Stork are definitely tight. Stork has gone out of his way to point out Much's help. "I want to say special thanks to my teammates yoOn[s.g], Brave, JangBi, Endless, and TT. KTF Violet, Lecaf BackHo, CJ Jjonga, Free and Guemchi from Wstars, and MBC Jaehoon all gave me wonderful support. I also wanna thank CJ Much and WeMade Pure for providing me with tips on builds and strategies. eStro Tester and STX Kal helped me out as well." Well, is was damned surpirsed, and i was thinking, is there a single non-lame toss in korea who didn't help Stork? Yeah, Bisu, since he's best's teammate... Hero V maybe, he had at least a good game last season against Flash. And Daezang, ACE teammembers barely have time fot their own PL practice.
Well, just because they supported Stork doesn't mean they didn't help Best practice. These people help by playing against each other, practicing builds in practice games to see whether they may work or not on the big stage. And I have a hard time fathom that all of these tosses pass up a chance to practice PvP with Best. I do think Much and Pure probably came up with actual strategies though. The rest probably just took time to be Stork's practice partners.
Then again, Best doesn't seem to be a popular player, unlike Stork. So who knows? This is where I would really like to know Korean. So I can understand these interviews. 
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On November 06 2008 22:28 Darth Peter wrote:
My rank would be:
1. Stork(without question)
2. Jaedong(I like Bisu a little bit better,and he is on fire,but still,dropping JD isn't justified)
3. Bisu(He's on fire,he hasn't lost a single fucking game since the last PR,his victories were not just victories but he wiped the floor with his opponents)
4. Free(Hot as hell)
5. Fantasy(He has given a fight to Stork that neither Flash,nor any other Terrans could have given him atm imo)
6.Best(His P v P isn't untouchable anymore and with his P v Z,he doesn't deserve to be higher atm)
7. Flash(He's great,but he's not in leagues unlike the players ranked above him,and I think he wouldn't beat Free,Bisu or Jaedong atm,maybe he could be switched with Fantasy)
8.Kal(impressive in PL and fresh off beating the current best player)
9. Jangbi(Impressive,has a good shot at MSL)
10. ForGG(Despite not in the MSL anymore,and not being undefeated in PL,he is a solid player,much better and complex than his concurrence for this spot. His T v T is beastly,and he is still the current MSL champ,although not for long).
CNBC: Nobody really,except for FBH, or Nada
I actually really like this ranking. Jaedong and Bisu are a toss-up, but I think the rest are in the right place.
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I wish Stork had to face good zergs to win this OSL...it feels like his limit was untested and OSL champ was not really deserved because we already knew he had amazing, and possibly the best PvT
For example, i would be upset if FBH won a tournament without facing any Protoss players because it doesn't really test his skills seeing as how he has (or used to) weak TvP..he needs to show us that he's improved even his weakness....the same applies to Stork
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On November 07 2008 16:57 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2008 14:49 Geo.Rion wrote:On November 07 2008 11:18 baubo wrote:On November 07 2008 06:00 Matoo- wrote:
Stork pisses me off a little. I'm happy he finally won an OSL but the lineup of practice partners he had for both semifinals and finals is nothing short of disgusting. :[
I'm sure Fantasy/Best had a lot of non-T1 practice partners too. It's just that their interviews weren't translated. Either that, or T1 prefers to practice in-house, whereas Khan don't really care. Although it seems that Much and Stork are definitely tight. Stork has gone out of his way to point out Much's help. "I want to say special thanks to my teammates yoOn[s.g], Brave, JangBi, Endless, and TT. KTF Violet, Lecaf BackHo, CJ Jjonga, Free and Guemchi from Wstars, and MBC Jaehoon all gave me wonderful support. I also wanna thank CJ Much and WeMade Pure for providing me with tips on builds and strategies. eStro Tester and STX Kal helped me out as well." Well, is was damned surpirsed, and i was thinking, is there a single non-lame toss in korea who didn't help Stork? Yeah, Bisu, since he's best's teammate... Hero V maybe, he had at least a good game last season against Flash. And Daezang, ACE teammembers barely have time fot their own PL practice. Well, just because they supported Stork doesn't mean they didn't help Best practice. These people help by playing against each other, practicing builds in practice games to see whether they may work or not on the big stage. And I have a hard time fathom that all of these tosses pass up a chance to practice PvP with Best. I do think Much and Pure probably came up with actual strategies though. The rest probably just took time to be Stork's practice partners. Then again, Best doesn't seem to be a popular player, unlike Stork. So who knows? This is where I would really like to know Korean. So I can understand these interviews.
yeah, and the other thing i was thinkig, maybe all the tosses want Best to loose, so his confidence breakes, and they should be able to beat him too, which happened, Best just lost to a mediocre-toss in PL
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On November 07 2008 17:08 Februarys wrote:
I wish Stork had to face good zergs to win this OSL...it feels like his limit was untested and OSL champ was not really deserved because we already knew he had amazing, and possibly the best PvT
For example, i would be upset if FBH won a tournament without facing any Protoss players because it doesn't really test his skills seeing as how he has (or used to) weak TvP..he needs to show us that he's improved even his weakness....the same applies to Stork
He overcame his nerves and the silver curse to beat Fantasy in the finals. He beat BeSt in PvP, who was on a ridiculously long streak and was considered invincible. Took down Bisu, to whom he had lost to before in the finals. Went undefeated in the groups.
A title is not deserved when a player wins it by playing his best matchup in the finals? Jaedong and July got eliminated, oh darn! Stork will never win a deserving title now! The past winners of July, Jaedong, GGplay, and Casy are all undeserving OSL champs, of course.
No. Either stay out of this thread or say something half-decent for once, Februrarys.
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An open question for you all: why should Jaedong be placed above Bisu?
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On November 07 2008 17:56 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2008 16:57 baubo wrote:On November 07 2008 14:49 Geo.Rion wrote:On November 07 2008 11:18 baubo wrote:On November 07 2008 06:00 Matoo- wrote:
Stork pisses me off a little. I'm happy he finally won an OSL but the lineup of practice partners he had for both semifinals and finals is nothing short of disgusting. :[
I'm sure Fantasy/Best had a lot of non-T1 practice partners too. It's just that their interviews weren't translated. Either that, or T1 prefers to practice in-house, whereas Khan don't really care. Although it seems that Much and Stork are definitely tight. Stork has gone out of his way to point out Much's help. "I want to say special thanks to my teammates yoOn[s.g], Brave, JangBi, Endless, and TT. KTF Violet, Lecaf BackHo, CJ Jjonga, Free and Guemchi from Wstars, and MBC Jaehoon all gave me wonderful support. I also wanna thank CJ Much and WeMade Pure for providing me with tips on builds and strategies. eStro Tester and STX Kal helped me out as well." Well, is was damned surpirsed, and i was thinking, is there a single non-lame toss in korea who didn't help Stork? Yeah, Bisu, since he's best's teammate... Hero V maybe, he had at least a good game last season against Flash. And Daezang, ACE teammembers barely have time fot their own PL practice. Well, just because they supported Stork doesn't mean they didn't help Best practice. These people help by playing against each other, practicing builds in practice games to see whether they may work or not on the big stage. And I have a hard time fathom that all of these tosses pass up a chance to practice PvP with Best. I do think Much and Pure probably came up with actual strategies though. The rest probably just took time to be Stork's practice partners. Then again, Best doesn't seem to be a popular player, unlike Stork. So who knows? This is where I would really like to know Korean. So I can understand these interviews. yeah, and the other thing i was thinkig, maybe all the tosses want Best to loose, so his confidence breakes, and they should be able to beat him too, which happened, Best just lost to a mediocre-toss in PL
Only people who actually HELPED Stork were his teammates and Much/Pure. The rest just gave him practice games, and most likely did the same for BeSt. Everyone who is preparing for a seminfinal/final match gets help from many, many players, it's just Stork bothers listing them all. Imagine how much Oov was helping FanTasy, as well as the other two elite Protoss players in BeSt and Bisu.
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I think both are comparable to each other; both are playing well and are mostly losing in close, exciting games (Stork vs Bisu in OSL, Jaedong vs Free in MSL). Neither has been totally raped by any player in particular.
But Jaedong has been owning it up this year on PR and so he gets the benefit of the doubt imo. Although either way is fine with me.
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On November 07 2008 17:59 OneOther wrote:
An open question for you all: why should Jaedong be placed above Bisu?
He shouldnt. This comes from a Jaedong fan.
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On November 07 2008 18:01 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2008 17:56 Geo.Rion wrote:On November 07 2008 16:57 baubo wrote:On November 07 2008 14:49 Geo.Rion wrote:On November 07 2008 11:18 baubo wrote:On November 07 2008 06:00 Matoo- wrote:
Stork pisses me off a little. I'm happy he finally won an OSL but the lineup of practice partners he had for both semifinals and finals is nothing short of disgusting. :[
I'm sure Fantasy/Best had a lot of non-T1 practice partners too. It's just that their interviews weren't translated. Either that, or T1 prefers to practice in-house, whereas Khan don't really care. Although it seems that Much and Stork are definitely tight. Stork has gone out of his way to point out Much's help. "I want to say special thanks to my teammates yoOn[s.g], Brave, JangBi, Endless, and TT. KTF Violet, Lecaf BackHo, CJ Jjonga, Free and Guemchi from Wstars, and MBC Jaehoon all gave me wonderful support. I also wanna thank CJ Much and WeMade Pure for providing me with tips on builds and strategies. eStro Tester and STX Kal helped me out as well." Well, is was damned surpirsed, and i was thinking, is there a single non-lame toss in korea who didn't help Stork? Yeah, Bisu, since he's best's teammate... Hero V maybe, he had at least a good game last season against Flash. And Daezang, ACE teammembers barely have time fot their own PL practice. Well, just because they supported Stork doesn't mean they didn't help Best practice. These people help by playing against each other, practicing builds in practice games to see whether they may work or not on the big stage. And I have a hard time fathom that all of these tosses pass up a chance to practice PvP with Best. I do think Much and Pure probably came up with actual strategies though. The rest probably just took time to be Stork's practice partners. Then again, Best doesn't seem to be a popular player, unlike Stork. So who knows? This is where I would really like to know Korean. So I can understand these interviews. yeah, and the other thing i was thinkig, maybe all the tosses want Best to loose, so his confidence breakes, and they should be able to beat him too, which happened, Best just lost to a mediocre-toss in PL Only people who actually HELPED Stork were his teammates and Much/Pure. The rest just gave him practice games, and most likely did the same for BeSt. Everyone who is preparing for a seminfinal/final match gets help from many, many players, it's just Stork bothers listing them all. Imagine how much Oov was helping FanTasy, as well as the other two elite Protoss players in BeSt and Bisu.
of course, Fantasy had everything with Bisu, Best, Rainbow (reavers ftw) kingdom and Oov in SKT to prepare for the finals. But i dont know if the players listed prevosuly really played with Best too, i find it a bit odd. You know both strategies, what prevents you too give out one to other? Surely pros cheer for other pros even if they arent his teammeats. But who knows...
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I honestly think that Bisu, Kal, Jangbi, and Kal are all interchangable right now. Honestly, we're just going to have to wait till the MSL is over to know who is the hottest kid on the block right now.
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I am biased,but I think Bisu is the hottest. He has 11 game winning streak,strong in all matchups,winning all matches in the Proleague and really consistent,and looked beastly in his matches. Both Kal and Jangbi are impressive,and good in all MU,but I don't think they looked as good as Bisu in their matches. I think that Free is the closest to Bisu right now of the other tosses,but deep down inside I feel that Bisu will own him down if they meet in the semifinals.
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