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On November 03 2008 22:20 Geo.Rion wrote:
Stork's PvZ is good --> have to be proven
Jaedong's ZvT is good --> have to be proven that it's not.
Lecaf sent JD on T friendly map, like Harmony, Colosseum. That means the coach saw he's very good against T, so he sent him, and he won. In his past 5 match he's 4-1, loosing a game on a Athena, T friendly map, against a well playing opponent, who cheesed too. Watch his MSL group matches, came back and say that JDs ZvT isnt good.
If you put it that way, then I can say Stork's PvZ is also good. January sent Stork on ZvP haven Andromeda repeatedly, where he has held his own. After getting killed by Jaedong in Ever OSL, Stork has been 12-5 in PvZ in the TLPD(which I admit does not include all the games played). I don't really give him credit because I don't feel Luxury/type-b/ggplay to be good ZvPers.
On November 03 2008 22:43 Darth Peter wrote:
Don't forget,Jd's Z v T was the MU which made him well known. He had 13 wins in a row. After that,he lost to every chump player he played,but when people said that "OMG,Jd's Z v T sucks",he dismantled the T v Z specialist Hwasin. He has also owned Terrans left and right in Gom. His only embarassing BO 5 loss versus Terran was vs ForGG,but ForGG was clearly the best player on the world in that period. Okay,maybe Jd is losing to chumps here and there,but would still be a favourite over ALL of the terrans right now in a BO series. He always wins vs Terran when it counts. And JD didn't lose to Luxury,he 2-0d him in the WCG,he lost to Yarnc,but that's not a shame,given how random can Z v Z be sometimes. So people saying his Z v T sucks, start watching Starcraft. Watch how he dismantled Flash in the Gom. Watch how he made sick comebacks against go.go(and if you watched go.go's play in recent T v Z's,you cannot say he is not a good player),and how he won all his ace games vs terran this season(and that includes a win over Flash,no matter he cheesed,Flash used his gay 14 CC and JD perfectly countered it,which can be considered a developed counter,because ForGG did the same thing against Flash,so I think they knew him well).
Not sure the point of bringing in luxury into the discussion. But I'm not saying his ZvT sucks. This is fanboy interpretation of anything bad said to their player. I just said it's not top notch, at least consistent his his level of play in general, which is one of the best SC players in the game.
And in recent years, SC has become so evolved that people's ability in matchups change quickly. So just because you're good before doesn't mean you're good now. Just as Flash started his career by cheesing people doesn't make him a cheesy player, or that FBH's impotent TvP for his whole career doesn't mean he's bad at it now.
On November 04 2008 00:00 Jaeden wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2008 21:50 baubo wrote:
All this means is that he's good. But not great. I don't deny that he's good.
and after that he says: Show nested quote +baubo wrote:
I also used his last 10 games, where's he's 6-4. Jaedong has not played much ZvT recently, so it's really hard to gauge. You just can't say he's good at it. LMAO
Poor choice of word, to be sure. But just to clear things up, on a scale of 1 to 10, I would say his ZvT to be 6. I'd say this ZvP a
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On November 04 2008 09:16 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2008 01:54 Geo.Rion wrote:On November 04 2008 01:43 TarsTarkas wrote:On November 03 2008 17:16 OneOther wrote:
I am not saying Stork's PvZ is amazing or anything. But I do think that his PvZ meets up to the other strong current Protoss players. It is definitely not shitty or sub-par. I don't know how losing to Jaedong in OSL Finals, the best player of the time, makes Stork not good at PvZ. And if you look closely at those games, they were not one-sided at all. After a great win Game 1, Stork made a stupid mistake and blew the advantage he had in Game 2. I think he started choking and we know what happened from there. He's not bad, he's not amazing, he's just good at PvZ. Bisu is the only player that one could make an argument as the better PvZ player than Stork.
I'm not saying loosing in the OSL finals to Jaedong means his PvZ is bad - but that was the last time his PvZ was tested at all. And that was a long time ago. His last ten games were against  ZerO (W), 2x Luxury (W/W), 2x type-b (L/W), 2x Jaedong (L/L), GGPlay (W - lamest game ever, but that was GGPlay's fault), Hyuk (W), and 815 (W) Which of these zergs, aside from Jaedong, has anything but an 'ok' ZvP? His record here is good, but any good player should have a good record against mediocre players. I bet even BeSt could have beaten most of these zergs (possible exaggeration). You cannot claim that Stork's PvZ is good from this. It is not as good as Kal's, though as you mentioned he is often very inconsistent, it isn't as good as Free's, and it certainly isn't as good as Bisu's. Watch Bisu play a PvZ game when he is focusing, and you will know why he is still the best at this match up. He does sometimes loose weirdly though :-( The comparison with Best is quite intresting btw. Which are the two greatest names from Stork's win-list. Luxury and GGplay, Best took down both of them in the recent past (the game against Lux was a rivalry battle, but a televised one, and they took it in serious). In his recent 10 games he lost to JD, and to 2 lesser zergs. keke was doing quite well, so did type -b (the z who beat Stork) so the only emberassment is the game against Firefist. I dont think a single loss makes Best that much worse than Stork. And here some pepole said, Best's PvZ is crappy, than said Stork's is at the highest level. Don't make me to find the exact qutations, cuz i will. This is very frustrating. You should NOT judge a player's skill in a certain matchup by deciding who the best players are out of the ones he beat. IT'S ABOUT HOW CONSISTENT AND SOLID HE IS. No shit BeSt has the potential to beat GGplay and Luxury, give me a fucking break. It's the fact that he is much, much more likely to drop some games to the same Zerg players that Stork beat. Stork got _cheesed_ by type-b, whereas BeSt got _outplayed_ by Firefirst/keke. I don't know about type-b because I didn't watch the game. Do you understand the difference? Start looking beyond the TLPD match list and get some perspective. Seriously. -_-
yes, i understand, and i look beyond it, and i did not said Best's PvZ = Stork's PvZ. My point was, if you call Best very bad in that MU, than you shouldn't call Stork's S class or even among the best.
But you already said : I have an idea. Let's not label Stork's PvZ anything yet. We haven't seen the on-fire Stork play against a good Zerg yet.
And that's true, i was saying that too, so consider my comment above only an accuration of my previous posts, i agree with you on what you said.
But i didn't understood this:
"I am getting tired of this.
Epic Romanian vs Romanian showdown or something?"
What's your problem with romanians? I'm not a nationalist, or anything like that, just curious.
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On November 04 2008 22:26 Geo.Rion wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 04 2008 09:16 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2008 01:54 Geo.Rion wrote:On November 04 2008 01:43 TarsTarkas wrote:On November 03 2008 17:16 OneOther wrote:
I am not saying Stork's PvZ is amazing or anything. But I do think that his PvZ meets up to the other strong current Protoss players. It is definitely not shitty or sub-par. I don't know how losing to Jaedong in OSL Finals, the best player of the time, makes Stork not good at PvZ. And if you look closely at those games, they were not one-sided at all. After a great win Game 1, Stork made a stupid mistake and blew the advantage he had in Game 2. I think he started choking and we know what happened from there. He's not bad, he's not amazing, he's just good at PvZ. Bisu is the only player that one could make an argument as the better PvZ player than Stork.
I'm not saying loosing in the OSL finals to Jaedong means his PvZ is bad - but that was the last time his PvZ was tested at all. And that was a long time ago. His last ten games were against ZerO (W), 2x Luxury (W/W), 2x type-b (L/W), 2x Jaedong (L/L), GGPlay (W - lamest game ever, but that was GGPlay's fault), Hyuk (W), and 815 (W) Which of these zergs, aside from Jaedong, has anything but an 'ok' ZvP? His record here is good, but any good player should have a good record against mediocre players. I bet even BeSt could have beaten most of these zergs (possible exaggeration). You cannot claim that Stork's PvZ is good from this. It is not as good as Kal's, though as you mentioned he is often very inconsistent, it isn't as good as Free's, and it certainly isn't as good as Bisu's. Watch Bisu play a PvZ game when he is focusing, and you will know why he is still the best at this match up. He does sometimes loose weirdly though :-( The comparison with Best is quite intresting btw. Which are the two greatest names from Stork's win-list. Luxury and GGplay, Best took down both of them in the recent past (the game against Lux was a rivalry battle, but a televised one, and they took it in serious). In his recent 10 games he lost to JD, and to 2 lesser zergs. keke was doing quite well, so did type -b (the z who beat Stork) so the only emberassment is the game against Firefist. I dont think a single loss makes Best that much worse than Stork. And here some pepole said, Best's PvZ is crappy, than said Stork's is at the highest level. Don't make me to find the exact qutations, cuz i will. This is very frustrating. You should NOT judge a player's skill in a certain matchup by deciding who the best players are out of the ones he beat. IT'S ABOUT HOW CONSISTENT AND SOLID HE IS. No shit BeSt has the potential to beat GGplay and Luxury, give me a fucking break. It's the fact that he is much, much more likely to drop some games to the same Zerg players that Stork beat. Stork got _cheesed_ by type-b, whereas BeSt got _outplayed_ by Firefirst/keke. I don't know about type-b because I didn't watch the game. Do you understand the difference? Start looking beyond the TLPD match list and get some perspective. Seriously. -_- yes, i understand, and i look beyond it, and i did not said Best's PvZ = Stork's PvZ. My point was, if you call Best very bad in that MU, than you shouldn't call Stork's S class or even among the best. But you already said : I have an idea. Let's not label Stork's PvZ anything yet. We haven't seen the on-fire Stork play against a good Zerg yet. And that's true, i was saying that too, so consider my comment above only an accuration of my previous posts, i agree with you on what you said. But i didn't understood this: "I am getting tired of this. Epic Romanian vs Romanian showdown or something?" What's your problem with romanians? I'm not a nationalist, or anything like that, just curious.
he`s just jealous coz romanians own this thread  .
ok but seriously now, I have a question for OneOther:
u say that JD`s ZvT is inconsistent and Stork's PvZ is strong. But tell me this : How many Ts are favorites against JD in a Bo5 , and how many Zs are favorites against Stork in a Bo5 ? (and it`s not even a balanced question, coz there are waaaay more terrans than zergs)
and imHo, Free's PvZ > Stork's PvZ
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On November 04 2008 21:19 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2008 22:20 Geo.Rion wrote:
Stork's PvZ is good --> have to be proven
Jaedong's ZvT is good --> have to be proven that it's not.
Lecaf sent JD on T friendly map, like Harmony, Colosseum. That means the coach saw he's very good against T, so he sent him, and he won. In his past 5 match he's 4-1, loosing a game on a Athena, T friendly map, against a well playing opponent, who cheesed too. Watch his MSL group matches, came back and say that JDs ZvT isnt good.
If you put it that way, then I can say Stork's PvZ is also good. January sent Stork on ZvP haven Andromeda repeatedly, where he has held his own. After getting killed by Jaedong in Ever OSL, Stork has been 12-5 in PvZ in the TLPD(which I admit does not include all the games played). I don't really give him credit because I don't feel Luxury/type-b/ggplay to be good ZvPers. Show nested quote +On November 03 2008 22:43 Darth Peter wrote:
Don't forget,Jd's Z v T was the MU which made him well known. He had 13 wins in a row. After that,he lost to every chump player he played,but when people said that "OMG,Jd's Z v T sucks",he dismantled the T v Z specialist Hwasin. He has also owned Terrans left and right in Gom. His only embarassing BO 5 loss versus Terran was vs ForGG,but ForGG was clearly the best player on the world in that period. Okay,maybe Jd is losing to chumps here and there,but would still be a favourite over ALL of the terrans right now in a BO series. He always wins vs Terran when it counts. And JD didn't lose to Luxury,he 2-0d him in the WCG,he lost to Yarnc,but that's not a shame,given how random can Z v Z be sometimes. So people saying his Z v T sucks, start watching Starcraft. Watch how he dismantled Flash in the Gom. Watch how he made sick comebacks against go.go(and if you watched go.go's play in recent T v Z's,you cannot say he is not a good player),and how he won all his ace games vs terran this season(and that includes a win over Flash,no matter he cheesed,Flash used his gay 14 CC and JD perfectly countered it,which can be considered a developed counter,because ForGG did the same thing against Flash,so I think they knew him well). Not sure the point of bringing in luxury into the discussion. But I'm not saying his ZvT sucks. This is fanboy interpretation of anything bad said to their player. I just said it's not top notch, at least consistent his his level of play in general, which is one of the best SC players in the game. And in recent years, SC has become so evolved that people's ability in matchups change quickly. So just because you're good before doesn't mean you're good now. Just as Flash started his career by cheesing people doesn't make him a cheesy player, or that FBH's impotent TvP for his whole career doesn't mean he's bad at it now. Show nested quote +On November 04 2008 00:00 Jaeden wrote:On November 03 2008 21:50 baubo wrote:
All this means is that he's good. But not great. I don't deny that he's good.
and after that he says: baubo wrote:
I also used his last 10 games, where's he's 6-4. Jaedong has not played much ZvT recently, so it's really hard to gauge. You just can't say he's good at it. LMAO Poor choice of word, to be sure. But just to clear things up, on a scale of 1 to 10, I would say his ZvT to be 6. I'd say this ZvP a
Stork is very good on Andrmoeda, beacause Andromeda seemed to require a different PvZ play. I don't know who told, maybe Fakesteve or Daigomi, that there is strong corsaire+reaver homosexuality with corsair carriers followup. And Stork is very good at shuttle play, and even better with managing a great fleet with carriers, so that's the reason Stork was sent multiple time on Andromeda, imo.
And yes, Jaedong's ZvT is top noch, it's not dominant as it was, but he is top 3 in that MU, or if you want to hear my opinion he's nr. 1, you can disagree, but you will never show me 3 better ZvT. As for Stork: Bisu, Jangbi, Free, all are better PvZ, or at least untill now it seemed like this, Stork may prove us wrong soon, we shall see.
And with the numbers, noting JD as 6 from 10 possible... very bad joke
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On November 04 2008 16:52 OneOther wrote:
I agree with you for the most part, but again, I think you have different standards for Kal and Stork. Stork has shown unbelievable micro abilities in his past few PvZ games, and that he is after all a guy to beat in ZvP. Kal is more undoubtedly more fancy in the matchup, primarily because of his trademark shuttle uses. I still believe that Stork is on Kal's level, if not more consistent. I don't buy your argument of how you see that Kal is good when he plays PvZ, while you don't see it in Stork because his opponents are terrible. Come on man, Stork gets the job done in PvZ. What does he lack? What "understanding" does he not have? I am a Protoss player myself, and I learn a lot from watching Stork play just as much as I do from Kal.
However, thank you for looking past the TLPD data. BeSt's PvZ and Stork's PvZ don't compare. Looking at the games is always good, but qualifying a player as good based on your judgment of whether he has understanding of the matchup or not doesn't cut it for me.
Hmm... I admit, Stork has had good PvZ micro, especially as of late. You might be right, perhaps he is getting better at the match up. I'd like to see him play a few PvZ games in his hyper-stork post OSL mode, hopefully he runs into JD/Luxury in world Cyber games (oh wait, Nony is going to beat luxury first =P)
As for what 'understanding' he does or does not have - I'm not really sure. He definitely understands the match up a heck of a lot more than I do (I play Zerg). However, I just don't get that sense of domination in PvZ that I do from Kal, and especially Bisu. I get that sense in an overwhelming fashion when watching Stork's PvT.
And of course you learn a lot when watching Stork PvZ! Heck, I am a Zerg player and I learn things watching Yarnc play ZvP, but does that mean that he is good?
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I will make a small point - Bisu is on 8 games winning streak, won 9 from his last 10 games and will mosy likely hit his ELO peak in a very short time. I dont see who is doing better than him besides stork in the last weeks, and to be honest the difference between those two is game 3 in their OSL match. Too bad we want see another encounter of the two toss kings any time soon.
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On November 05 2008 02:31 disciple wrote:
I will make a small point - Bisu is on 8 games winning streak, won 9 from his last 10 games and will mosy likely hit his ELO peak in a very short time. I dont see who is doing better than him besides stork in the last weeks, and to be honest the difference between those two is game 3 in their OSL match. Too bad we want see another encounter of the two toss kings any time soon.
yep, Bisu is on fire, and he was ill too, dont forget that. Another finals between him and Stork would have been epic, but we may see Kal on his place in the finals (and on second place). Of course i might be wrong, i have nothing to support that Kal gonna beat jangbi. I didn't even bet at liquibet yet.
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Kal / Bisu will break my heart, I like both of them so much, true PvZ rapists... Any any case Bisu has a difficult task ahead of him, FBH is tricky
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I think Kal has his work cut out for him a little more than Bisu - FBH will get trounced, and Jangbi is a tough opponent.
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I expect to see Flash ahead of JD in the next power rankings. He was generally better in the starleagues, and has been much better in the proleague so far.
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Much better? No,he hasn't been much better. Perhaps a little bit better,but don't forget,he lost to JD,and I don't care if it was by cheese,Flash shouldn't have went 14 CC. And better in the leagues? ROFL,no,Flash sucked in the leagues. I admit,he played great in the OSL,until he met GGplay,against whom he played like an ass, Jd's loss to Free in the MSL wasn't as embarassing,as Flash's loss to GGplay,considering that Fantasy just owned the hell out of GGplay in the next round,and Flash did even worse in the MSL,where Yarnc beat him twice. You can argue,that JD didn't even qualify in the Osl,but that was months ago,and if we do the rankings based on what happened 2 months ago,then we should take in consideration the sad ownage JD laid upon Flash in GOM. Flash is getting back in form it seems,but so is Jaedong,and based on monthly performance,no,he shouldn't be ranked hiher. Maybe next month,if he can keep this up,and JD loses to players like Sangho. But no,this month,only Bisu and Fantasy could get into consideration besides Stork to be put above Jaedong.
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JD: Eliminated from qualifiers in OSL. Eliminated in the round of 16 in MSL.
Flash: Eliminated from round of 8 in OSL. Eliminated in the round of 32 in MSL.
Neither tore up the starleagues, but objectively, you have to give the nod to Flash for getting much further in the OSL. The fact of the matter is JD was lucky to get to the Ro16 in the MSL. He very nearly lost to a trio of a middling terrans—only squeaking by when go.go completely screwed up and he cheesed upmagic.
Flash has done pretty significantly better in the proleague. He's also ahead in ELO.
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Has done better because played more matches than JD,and the fact that JD has been playing less is not his fault,and when Jaedong played ace,he never lost it. And nearly eliminated doesn't count,he made great comebacks,plus neither Frozean,nor go.go are chumps in T v Z,they have victories over the best Z v T players. Yarnc is a good player too,but losing to him twice is a bit of a problem,if you are on the level of Flash. Besides,I don't know the last time Flash has beaten a good zerg. I have already said what I think about the post,you should read it.And don't rate a player by TLPD,and stats,watch games.
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On November 05 2008 06:36 SimonB wrote:
JD: Eliminated from qualifiers in OSL. Eliminated in the round of 16 in MSL.
Flash: Eliminated from round of 8 in OSL. Eliminated in the round of 32 in MSL.
Neither tore up the starleagues, but objectively, you have to give the nod to Flash for getting much further in the OSL. The fact of the matter is JD was lucky to get to the Ro16 in the MSL. He very nearly lost to a trio of a middling terrans—only squeaking by when go.go completely screwed up and he cheesed upmagic.
Flash has done pretty significantly better in the proleague. He's also ahead in ELO.
1. Read the guy's comment above you, watch the games, don't just give out stats and work with stats.
2. Jaedong didn't luckily muta micro his way against go.go, that was skill, if you call that luck, we define the word differently. Why do you think both Frozean and gogo cheesed him? 9Pool is not a cheese, don't even try to argue this.
3. ELO means squat when it comes to PR, well, almost squat , but completely squat in this case.
4. Would you care to elaborate how Flash did significantly better in proleague?
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my PR for next month
1. Stork (omg no wai)
2. Bisu
3. JaeDong
4. Fantasy
5. BeSt
6. Flash
7. Jangbi
8. FireBatHero
9. Free
10. Kal
CNBC: Nada, Luxury
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On November 05 2008 11:23 3 Lions wrote:
my PR for next month
1. Stork (omg no wai)
2. Bisu
3. JaeDong
4. Fantasy
5. BeSt
6. Flash
7. Jangbi
8. FireBatHero
9. Free
10. Kal
CNBC: Nada, Luxury
Wow, that actually looks really solid to me. I might switch up Bisu with Jaedong, but really, either way works.
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On November 05 2008 08:22 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2008 06:36 SimonB wrote:
JD: Eliminated from qualifiers in OSL. Eliminated in the round of 16 in MSL.
Flash: Eliminated from round of 8 in OSL. Eliminated in the round of 32 in MSL.
Neither tore up the starleagues, but objectively, you have to give the nod to Flash for getting much further in the OSL. The fact of the matter is JD was lucky to get to the Ro16 in the MSL. He very nearly lost to a trio of a middling terrans—only squeaking by when go.go completely screwed up and he cheesed upmagic.
Flash has done pretty significantly better in the proleague. He's also ahead in ELO. 1. Read the guy's comment above you, watch the games, don't just give out stats and work with stats. 2. Jaedong didn't luckily muta micro his way against go.go, that was skill, if you call that luck, we define the word differently. Why do you think both Frozean and gogo cheesed him? 9Pool is not a cheese, don't even try to argue this. 3. ELO means squat when it comes to PR, well, almost squat , but completely squat in this case. 4. Would you care to elaborate how Flash did significantly better in proleague?
I agree with all your points except one. I watched the games. The great zvp player lost to Free and Han bo3's. His lack of results in the starleagues should respect a (all be it fairly small) drop in the ranking. When it came down to it he could not win the biggest games this season (OSL and MSL). You can't just say he is still playing great he should hold a high rank, when he loses huge games.
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On November 02 2008 03:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2008 17:05 Wolverine wrote:how so? i'm stating exactly what happens each month - the PR is released at some random time, taking into account factors different from previous PRs (for example, one PR (say the January one) could take into account the 3rd quarter of January and the first three quarters in February if it wasn't released until February 25th, then February's PR which is released on March 5 may be based on the first three quarters of February (already taken into account for the January PR) and the first quarter in March. If it was released on the first of each month, then it would take into account the same period as previous months' PRs, rather than having some of this months and some of next month's. hey suck it up
The PR has been crap ever since you took over. Yeah I guess I am having to suck that up each month.
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On November 05 2008 12:32 Nick_54 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2008 08:22 Avidkeystamper wrote:On November 05 2008 06:36 SimonB wrote:
JD: Eliminated from qualifiers in OSL. Eliminated in the round of 16 in MSL.
Flash: Eliminated from round of 8 in OSL. Eliminated in the round of 32 in MSL.
Neither tore up the starleagues, but objectively, you have to give the nod to Flash for getting much further in the OSL. The fact of the matter is JD was lucky to get to the Ro16 in the MSL. He very nearly lost to a trio of a middling terrans—only squeaking by when go.go completely screwed up and he cheesed upmagic.
Flash has done pretty significantly better in the proleague. He's also ahead in ELO. 1. Read the guy's comment above you, watch the games, don't just give out stats and work with stats. 2. Jaedong didn't luckily muta micro his way against go.go, that was skill, if you call that luck, we define the word differently. Why do you think both Frozean and gogo cheesed him? 9Pool is not a cheese, don't even try to argue this. 3. ELO means squat when it comes to PR, well, almost squat , but completely squat in this case. 4. Would you care to elaborate how Flash did significantly better in proleague? I agree with all your points except one. I watched the games. The great zvp player lost to Free and Han bo3's. His lack of results in the starleagues should respect a (all be it fairly small) drop in the ranking. When it came down to it he could not win the biggest games this season (OSL and MSL). You can't just say he is still playing great he should hold a high rank, when he loses huge games.
Yeah, but his losses didn't come from an apparent decrease in skill. Game 1 vs Free was Byzantium's fault. Game 3 was bad decision making (too arrogant?). I guess Jaedong is a particularly difficult player to place and I'll be interested to see FS's decision, then we can get into a big argument about it.
EDIT: Who will make the epic 400th post?
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On November 05 2008 12:42 Wolverine wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2008 03:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On November 01 2008 17:05 Wolverine wrote:how so? i'm stating exactly what happens each month - the PR is released at some random time, taking into account factors different from previous PRs (for example, one PR (say the January one) could take into account the 3rd quarter of January and the first three quarters in February if it wasn't released until February 25th, then February's PR which is released on March 5 may be based on the first three quarters of February (already taken into account for the January PR) and the first quarter in March. If it was released on the first of each month, then it would take into account the same period as previous months' PRs, rather than having some of this months and some of next month's. hey suck it up The PR has been crap ever since you took over. Yeah I guess I am having to suck that up each month.
Did you join TL just to say that? Fakesteve has done every Power Rank since you joined TL...not even 2 months ago and they have been just fine. You probably can't even justify the statement that Fakesteve's PR sucks.
Thanks Fakesteve, next months power rank should be pretty interesting. Things are really getting shaken up in the world of Brood War.
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