|
On November 03 2008 17:36 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2008 16:33 TarsTarkas wrote:
OneOther, you have weird opinions -
Jaedong vs Stork = 50/50 ?
Jaedong can't win ZvT?
July only a favorite vs stork for his ability to cheese?
Stork as good at PvZ as Bisu and Kal?
When is the last time you watched Stork play a PvZ against a decent player?
I have no idea about effort's ZvP, Stork would rape Luxury/Yarnc hardcore with ease, kwanro would fail horribly against him, all true. I think Savior would have about even odds, and the way Calm is playing these days I would say he is a favorite.
What are you basing these supposed PvZ skills Stork has off of? He isn't bad (like, say... BeSt...) but he isn't good either. The last time Stork beat a Zerg player with decent ZvP was his single win against Jaedong in the OSL that Jaedong won.
I know you like Stork, but his PvZ is not good. It isn't really a problem at the moment, and it isn't holding him back, but he is not good at the matchup. Watch his games - he beats down pathetic zerg's like Orion because he is simply on another level - he doesn't have finesse or much of a PvZ 'game sense.' I think it's better to say that Stork's "untested" in the matchup rather than saying that he's not good. But it's safe to say that his mechanics are so good as of this moment that he really can overwhelm most zerg opponents just on that basis alone. Simply because there are so few good zergs. I would would not give any zerg other than July or Jaedong a chance in a series against Stork. (50/50 for July, andfavor Jaedong). As for Savior, what has he done other than owning ZvZ on raid assault and winning blizzcon(I mean, it IS just blizzcon)? Savior has not shown the ability to take out S level players no matter the race. And Calm is playing well in proleague, but through his nice 8-2 streak, his best wins were against Much and Leta, while his losses have been against Luxury and Free. So what makes you think he can take out Stork? On OneOther's "crazy" ideas, I agree with Jaedong not being good vT. At least if you consider Stork's vZ is bad. Jaedong's 6-4 in his last 10 games against Terran, and 9-11 in his last 20. I don't see how that is a sign of dominance no matter how you look at it. I do think Bisu and Jangbi are clearly superior PvZ players in general. Don't really follow Kal enough to comment on him.
Do you consider loosing to Luxury in ZvZ is a shame? If you are not jaedong, you looes to luxury, that's a rule among the zergs, can't be helped. Or loosing to Free, Free is fckin great lately, his best mu is pvz, how does this counts as bad performence? And beating Leta is a very good achievment, Really is a good TvZ too, and he beat Lomo in GOM, dont forget that, Lomo is a decent player, beating him counts.
As for the Maestro, he's great, of course, everyobdy is biased, and if he wins couple games everybody's going crazy about it, yeah that's true. But he is playing quite well, and his decision making and micro is insane. Watch his game against TT, that was sick. And his best mu is ZvP, so if Stork had to face him, in GOM let's say, and would beat him, that would be a fact that proves Stork is good PvZ. Untill now he barely was able to beat Orion there, Tasteless was already screaming about Stork could leave the GOM right now, i will search for the exact qute.
Your statements about JD's ZvT are ridicoulos, he was doing bad against T, that's for sure, but he seemed that he got himself together after the MSL humilation. Coming up with his last 20 game is just unfair.
|
On November 03 2008 20:53 Geo.Rion wrote:
Do you consider loosing to Luxury in ZvZ is a shame? If you are not jaedong, you looes to luxury, that's a rule among the zergs, can't be helped. Or loosing to Free, Free is fckin great lately, his best mu is pvz, how does this counts as bad performence? And beating Leta is a very good achievment, Really is a good TvZ too, and he beat Lomo in GOM, dont forget that, Lomo is a decent player, beating him counts.
All this means is that he's good. But not great. I don't deny that he's good. I deny that he's "Great". And right now with the way Stork's playing, I have to give him an advantage over any 2nd tier player.
As for the Maestro, he's great, of course, everyobdy is biased, and if he wins couple games everybody's going crazy about it, yeah that's true. But he is playing quite well, and his decision making and micro is insane. Watch his game against TT, that was sick. And his best mu is ZvP, so if Stork had to face him, in GOM let's say, and would beat him, that would be a fact that proves Stork is good PvZ. Untill now he barely was able to beat Orion there, Tasteless was already screaming about Stork could leave the GOM right now, i will search for the exact qute.
I did watch his game vs. TT. Although beating a 2v2er who hasn't played a 1v1 proleague game in ages don't really say much. I was pretty impressed with his dismantling of by.great in GOM though. But Savior needs to advance a bit in GOM for me to be impressed.
As for Stork vs. Orion, yes, he looked bad. Which is why I maintain that his PvZ is still "unproven". But given the circumstances, you can't use it against him. I mean, FBH lost to freaking Bogus and just dismantled Iris today.
Your statements about JD's ZvT are ridicoulos, he was doing bad against T, that's for sure, but he seemed that he got himself together after the MSL humilation. Coming up with his last 20 game is just unfair.
I also used his last 10 games, where's he's 6-4. Jaedong has not played much ZvT recently, so it's really hard to gauge. You just can't say he's good at it. You can only say it's no longer a really bad matchup, which it was before.
|
Stork's PvZ is good --> have to be proven
Jaedong's ZvT is good --> have to be proven that it's not.
Lecaf sent JD on T friendly map, like Harmony, Colosseum. That means the coach saw he's very good against T, so he sent him, and he won. In his past 5 match he's 4-1, loosing a game on a Athena, T friendly map, against a well playing opponent, who cheesed too. Watch his MSL group matches, came back and say that JDs ZvT isnt good.
EDIT: as for the game of Savior. yes, it's not a great feat to beat a 2v2 toss, as beating Hero V and Shark (jaedong's matches) does not sounds that great neither. But if you look at the games, Jaedong and Savior decision making and micro saved them, not the insane mechanics/macro/apm which JD and Savior could have over their opponents, and that's great. Decision making in tough situations, like you are facing zealots and 2 reavers with a handful of hydras and sunkens and your spire goes down, or you're out of drones and your opponent has greater army, counts much more than you rolled over a decent player in a straight macro game. These players, JD, Flash, Stork, Best, Forgg, Bisu etc have better mechanics and higher APM and better prepared builds than most of the progamers, the question is can they still win if they found themselfs in a bad situation, can they be smarter than their opponents are. If yes, they will keep dominating, if no, they will fail.
EDITEDIT: When you collect the past 20 ZvT games to make JD look back, you shold add the 3-0 against Flash in GOM, and the other lesser wins in that leauge.
|
Don't forget,Jd's Z v T was the MU which made him well known. He had 13 wins in a row. After that,he lost to every chump player he played,but when people said that "OMG,Jd's Z v T sucks",he dismantled the T v Z specialist Hwasin. He has also owned Terrans left and right in Gom. His only embarassing BO 5 loss versus Terran was vs ForGG,but ForGG was clearly the best player on the world in that period. Okay,maybe Jd is losing to chumps here and there,but would still be a favourite over ALL of the terrans right now in a BO series. He always wins vs Terran when it counts. And JD didn't lose to Luxury,he 2-0d him in the WCG,he lost to Yarnc,but that's not a shame,given how random can Z v Z be sometimes. So people saying his Z v T sucks, start watching Starcraft. Watch how he dismantled Flash in the Gom. Watch how he made sick comebacks against go.go(and if you watched go.go's play in recent T v Z's,you cannot say he is not a good player),and how he won all his ace games vs terran this season(and that includes a win over Flash,no matter he cheesed,Flash used his gay 14 CC and JD perfectly countered it,which can be considered a developed counter,because ForGG did the same thing against Flash,so I think they knew him well).
|
no, but really, JD>Stork in a BoX.
If u call Jaedong`s ZvT shaky, then Stork PvZ is shaky. Everyone loses from time to time.
2bad we don`t have enough zergs to prove that.
|
On November 03 2008 21:50 baubo wrote:
All this means is that he's good. But not great. I don't deny that he's good.
and after that he says:
baubo wrote:
I also used his last 10 games, where's he's 6-4. Jaedong has not played much ZvT recently, so it's really hard to gauge. You just can't say he's good at it.
LMAO
|
On November 03 2008 17:16 OneOther wrote:
I am not saying Stork's PvZ is amazing or anything. But I do think that his PvZ meets up to the other strong current Protoss players. It is definitely not shitty or sub-par. I don't know how losing to Jaedong in OSL Finals, the best player of the time, makes Stork not good at PvZ. And if you look closely at those games, they were not one-sided at all. After a great win Game 1, Stork made a stupid mistake and blew the advantage he had in Game 2. I think he started choking and we know what happened from there. He's not bad, he's not amazing, he's just good at PvZ. Bisu is the only player that one could make an argument as the better PvZ player than Stork.
I'm not saying loosing in the OSL finals to Jaedong means his PvZ is bad - but that was the last time his PvZ was tested at all. And that was a long time ago.
His last ten games were against  ZerO (W), 2x Luxury (W/W), 2x type-b (L/W), 2x Jaedong (L/L), GGPlay (W - lamest game ever, but that was GGPlay's fault), Hyuk (W), and 815 (W)
Which of these zergs, aside from Jaedong, has anything but an 'ok' ZvP? His record here is good, but any good player should have a good record against mediocre players. I bet even BeSt could have beaten most of these zergs (possible exaggeration).
You cannot claim that Stork's PvZ is good from this. It is not as good as Kal's, though as you mentioned he is often very inconsistent, it isn't as good as Free's, and it certainly isn't as good as Bisu's. Watch Bisu play a PvZ game when he is focusing, and you will know why he is still the best at this match up. He does sometimes loose weirdly though :-(
|
On November 04 2008 01:43 TarsTarkas wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2008 17:16 OneOther wrote:
I am not saying Stork's PvZ is amazing or anything. But I do think that his PvZ meets up to the other strong current Protoss players. It is definitely not shitty or sub-par. I don't know how losing to Jaedong in OSL Finals, the best player of the time, makes Stork not good at PvZ. And if you look closely at those games, they were not one-sided at all. After a great win Game 1, Stork made a stupid mistake and blew the advantage he had in Game 2. I think he started choking and we know what happened from there. He's not bad, he's not amazing, he's just good at PvZ. Bisu is the only player that one could make an argument as the better PvZ player than Stork.
I'm not saying loosing in the OSL finals to Jaedong means his PvZ is bad - but that was the last time his PvZ was tested at all. And that was a long time ago. His last ten games were against ZerO (W), 2x Luxury (W/W), 2x type-b (L/W), 2x Jaedong (L/L), GGPlay (W - lamest game ever, but that was GGPlay's fault), Hyuk (W), and 815 (W) Which of these zergs, aside from Jaedong, has anything but an 'ok' ZvP? His record here is good, but any good player should have a good record against mediocre players. I bet even BeSt could have beaten most of these zergs (possible exaggeration). You cannot claim that Stork's PvZ is good from this. It is not as good as Kal's, though as you mentioned he is often very inconsistent, it isn't as good as Free's, and it certainly isn't as good as Bisu's. Watch Bisu play a PvZ game when he is focusing, and you will know why he is still the best at this match up. He does sometimes loose weirdly though :-(
The comparison with Best is quite intresting btw. Which are the two greatest names from Stork's win-list. Luxury and GGplay, Best took down both of them in the recent past (the game against Lux was a rivalry battle, but a televised one, and they took it in serious). In his recent 10 games he lost to JD, and to 2 lesser zergs. keke was doing quite well, so did type -b (the z who beat Stork) so the only emberassment is the game against Firefist. I dont think a single loss makes Best that much worse than Stork.
And here some pepole said, Best's PvZ is crappy, than said Stork's is at the highest level. Don't make me to find the exact qutations, cuz i will.
|
You can't really label JD's ZvT as bad. The map pool is overall biased against Zergs and Jaedong probably has the best ZvT next to the twin's ZvT. He's already proved himself to be a ZvT monster before his ZvP started shining, and 4-4 win loss record vs terrans is highly debatable. Frozean was able to snatch a win through a Terran imba cheese bunker rush, there is no way he would win in a straight up TvZ vs JD. Secondly, yes that 0-3 loss verse forGG was horrendous, but lets not forget that those map pools were terran favored, and forGG is JD's teammate (the best person to analyze and study his builds)
And lastly, Jaedong simply did not have a chance to play many ZvT's lately.
|
Best's loss to Firefist = Stork's loss to Orion. It was even in the same tournament. It doesn't worth comparing,because neither of them could take out Jaedong,but I guess any of them could beat ok zergs,perhaps Stork easier,than Best,but Best would beat them in a series too. It's a MU that didn't get them in trouble lately,and considering the landscape,probably won't. I don't know about Bisu either. I am a hardcore fan,but he had lame losses vs ZERO AND CALM,and Luxury. Stork doesn't eat Lux for breakfast tho either,like OneOther said. He beaten him in the Semis,that was easy,but Lux improved after that,and won an ace game against Stork,just like against Bisu,after that, Stork won two games against Lux,and the last one was really close,so I don't know. The truth is,Bisu's P v Z is untested lately,he had great victories and showed incredible multitasking,but those weren't top zergs either. The most impressive P v Z I've seen from Bisu was against JD,but that was months ago. But Bisu is back in form,so I hope his P v Z is really the best ATM.
|
United States10774 Posts
You don't think Jaedong's ZvT is inconsistent? The reason why people overrate it is because he has beaten Flash 3-0 and stuff, but on another day he gets raped by forGG 0-3. I never said it was bad., Februarys.
Even better, go watch his last 10, or even 20, ZvTs.
Okay, Stork doesn't eat Lux for breakfast but he's a huge favorite. Fair enough.
I have an idea. Let's not label Stork's PvZ anything yet. We haven't seen the on-fire Stork play against a good Zerg yet.
|
On November 04 2008 08:03 OneOther wrote:
I have an idea. Let's not label Stork's PvZ anything yet. We haven't seen the on-fire Stork play against a good Zerg yet.
This we can definitely agree on! Stork today is a very different bird from Stork even a couple months ago, and as I was looking at evidence and recalling his games I realized that there isn't any real, recent evidence either way.
|
United States10774 Posts
On November 04 2008 01:43 TarsTarkas wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2008 17:16 OneOther wrote:
I am not saying Stork's PvZ is amazing or anything. But I do think that his PvZ meets up to the other strong current Protoss players. It is definitely not shitty or sub-par. I don't know how losing to Jaedong in OSL Finals, the best player of the time, makes Stork not good at PvZ. And if you look closely at those games, they were not one-sided at all. After a great win Game 1, Stork made a stupid mistake and blew the advantage he had in Game 2. I think he started choking and we know what happened from there. He's not bad, he's not amazing, he's just good at PvZ. Bisu is the only player that one could make an argument as the better PvZ player than Stork.
I'm not saying loosing in the OSL finals to Jaedong means his PvZ is bad - but that was the last time his PvZ was tested at all. And that was a long time ago. His last ten games were against ZerO (W), 2x Luxury (W/W), 2x type-b (L/W), 2x Jaedong (L/L), GGPlay (W - lamest game ever, but that was GGPlay's fault), Hyuk (W), and 815 (W) Which of these zergs, aside from Jaedong, has anything but an 'ok' ZvP? His record here is good, but any good player should have a good record against mediocre players. I bet even BeSt could have beaten most of these zergs (possible exaggeration). You cannot claim that Stork's PvZ is good from this. It is not as good as Kal's, though as you mentioned he is often very inconsistent, it isn't as good as Free's, and it certainly isn't as good as Bisu's. Watch Bisu play a PvZ game when he is focusing, and you will know why he is still the best at this match up. He does sometimes loose weirdly though :-(
Okay so you are saying that losing to Jaedong doesn't make his PvZ bad, but only way to be proven as good is to beat him? That makes no sense.
I feel like you have unfair standards to qualify someone as "good." Do you have to beat ZvP kings, Jaedong and July, to be considered good in the matchup? I don't think so. Stork is very consistent in the matchup, as evident in the games listed. Sure, those Zergs are not top class ZvP, but that shows Stork is solid. If that's your standard, why do you say Kal is better than Stork at the matchup? He has never proven himself against Jaedong or July either. I know Free recently beat Jaedong 2-1, but anything can happen in a BO3 and I don't think it justifies much. What's your basis for all those assumptions? I look for consistency and solid plays when evaluating a player's matchup. He doesn't have to beat the best player in the matchup in my book. BeSt would definitely drop some of the games Stork won in that list.
Zero, Luxury, GGplay, Hyuk, and 815 are all good players. ZvP is not their forte, but I can't think of anyone else that's better than those guys at it, with the exception of JD and July.
They definitely have an "ok" ZvP, to say the least.
Besides those players and Jaedong/July, could you tell me who Stork needs to beat to prove himself in PvZ? Stork has taken down most of hot Zergs.
You even admit Kal/Bisu are inconsistent. I know Bisu has always beeh the master of PvZ, but I don't see how you can so easily say that Kal is better than Stork.
On November 04 2008 08:06 TarsTarkas wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2008 08:03 OneOther wrote:
I have an idea. Let's not label Stork's PvZ anything yet. We haven't seen the on-fire Stork play against a good Zerg yet. This we can definitely agree on! Stork today is a very different bird from Stork even a couple months ago, and as I was looking at evidence and recalling his games I realized that there isn't any real, recent evidence either way.
I agree with you.
|
Stork no.1 for next power rank
The End.
|
United States10774 Posts
I am getting tired of this.
Epic Romanian vs Romanian showdown or something?
|
United States10774 Posts
On November 04 2008 01:54 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2008 01:43 TarsTarkas wrote:On November 03 2008 17:16 OneOther wrote:
I am not saying Stork's PvZ is amazing or anything. But I do think that his PvZ meets up to the other strong current Protoss players. It is definitely not shitty or sub-par. I don't know how losing to Jaedong in OSL Finals, the best player of the time, makes Stork not good at PvZ. And if you look closely at those games, they were not one-sided at all. After a great win Game 1, Stork made a stupid mistake and blew the advantage he had in Game 2. I think he started choking and we know what happened from there. He's not bad, he's not amazing, he's just good at PvZ. Bisu is the only player that one could make an argument as the better PvZ player than Stork.
I'm not saying loosing in the OSL finals to Jaedong means his PvZ is bad - but that was the last time his PvZ was tested at all. And that was a long time ago. His last ten games were against ZerO (W), 2x Luxury (W/W), 2x type-b (L/W), 2x Jaedong (L/L), GGPlay (W - lamest game ever, but that was GGPlay's fault), Hyuk (W), and 815 (W) Which of these zergs, aside from Jaedong, has anything but an 'ok' ZvP? His record here is good, but any good player should have a good record against mediocre players. I bet even BeSt could have beaten most of these zergs (possible exaggeration). You cannot claim that Stork's PvZ is good from this. It is not as good as Kal's, though as you mentioned he is often very inconsistent, it isn't as good as Free's, and it certainly isn't as good as Bisu's. Watch Bisu play a PvZ game when he is focusing, and you will know why he is still the best at this match up. He does sometimes loose weirdly though :-( The comparison with Best is quite intresting btw. Which are the two greatest names from Stork's win-list. Luxury and GGplay, Best took down both of them in the recent past (the game against Lux was a rivalry battle, but a televised one, and they took it in serious). In his recent 10 games he lost to JD, and to 2 lesser zergs. keke was doing quite well, so did type -b (the z who beat Stork) so the only emberassment is the game against Firefist. I dont think a single loss makes Best that much worse than Stork. And here some pepole said, Best's PvZ is crappy, than said Stork's is at the highest level. Don't make me to find the exact qutations, cuz i will.
This is very frustrating. You should NOT judge a player's skill in a certain matchup by deciding who the best players are out of the ones he beat. IT'S ABOUT HOW CONSISTENT AND SOLID HE IS. No shit BeSt has the potential to beat GGplay and Luxury, give me a fucking break. It's the fact that he is much, much more likely to drop some games to the same Zerg players that Stork beat. Stork got _cheesed_ by type-b, whereas BeSt got _outplayed_ by Firefirst/keke. I don't know about type-b because I didn't watch the game.
Do you understand the difference? Start looking beyond the TLPD match list and get some perspective. Seriously.
-_-
|
That 8-10 is gonna be some tough decision making.
I don't envy you.
What do you think about sAviOr and Pusan in CBNC? They've been doing very well in PL lately.
|
On November 04 2008 08:24 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2008 01:43 TarsTarkas wrote:On November 03 2008 17:16 OneOther wrote:
I am not saying Stork's PvZ is amazing or anything. But I do think that his PvZ meets up to the other strong current Protoss players. It is definitely not shitty or sub-par. I don't know how losing to Jaedong in OSL Finals, the best player of the time, makes Stork not good at PvZ. And if you look closely at those games, they were not one-sided at all. After a great win Game 1, Stork made a stupid mistake and blew the advantage he had in Game 2. I think he started choking and we know what happened from there. He's not bad, he's not amazing, he's just good at PvZ. Bisu is the only player that one could make an argument as the better PvZ player than Stork.
I'm not saying loosing in the OSL finals to Jaedong means his PvZ is bad - but that was the last time his PvZ was tested at all. And that was a long time ago. His last ten games were against ZerO (W), 2x Luxury (W/W), 2x type-b (L/W), 2x Jaedong (L/L), GGPlay (W - lamest game ever, but that was GGPlay's fault), Hyuk (W), and 815 (W) Which of these zergs, aside from Jaedong, has anything but an 'ok' ZvP? His record here is good, but any good player should have a good record against mediocre players. I bet even BeSt could have beaten most of these zergs (possible exaggeration). You cannot claim that Stork's PvZ is good from this. It is not as good as Kal's, though as you mentioned he is often very inconsistent, it isn't as good as Free's, and it certainly isn't as good as Bisu's. Watch Bisu play a PvZ game when he is focusing, and you will know why he is still the best at this match up. He does sometimes loose weirdly though :-( Okay so you are saying that losing to Jaedong doesn't make his PvZ bad, but only way to be proven as good is to beat him? That makes no sense. I feel like you have unfair standards to qualify someone as "good." Do you have to beat ZvP kings, Jaedong and July, to be considered good in the matchup? I don't think so. Stork is very consistent in the matchup, as evident in the games listed. Sure, those Zergs are not top class ZvP, but that shows Stork is solid. If that's your standard, why do you say Kal is better than Stork at the matchup? He has never proven himself against Jaedong or July either. I know Free recently beat Jaedong 2-1, but anything can happen in a BO3 and I don't think it justifies much. What's your basis for all those assumptions? I look for consistency and solid plays when evaluating a player's matchup. He doesn't have to beat the best player in the matchup in my book. BeSt would definitely drop some of the games Stork won in that list. Zero, Luxury, GGplay, Hyuk, and 815 are all good players. ZvP is not their forte, but I can't think of anyone else that's better than those guys at it, with the exception of JD and July. They definitely have an "ok" ZvP, to say the least. Besides those players and Jaedong/July, could you tell me who Stork needs to beat to prove himself in PvZ? Stork has taken down most of hot Zergs. You even admit Kal/Bisu are inconsistent. I know Bisu has always beeh the master of PvZ, but I don't see how you can so easily say that Kal is better than Stork.
Your comment about what qualifies a player as 'good' is an interesting point. Obviously, beating down a master of ZvP would get a player that consideration. However, if that were the case, we would only have 1-2 'good' players from each race. I tend to look at the games. I think Bisu has by far the best PvZ, still, because even through his occasional inconsistencies, when he turns 'it' on, I cannot see any way he can possibly loose to a zerg, ever.
For example, I say that Kal is better than Stork based on watching them both play. When I see Kal PvZ, I see that he has an understanding of the matchup, that he is good at it.
When watching Stork play, I do not see this. He wins, but that is as often because his opponents are terrible at the match up, or playing poorly, or he is simply a much better play all around than they are. I see that Stork is strong, but I have not seen him play good PvZ.
To the people who for some reason look at TLPD and say ' hey, BeSt has PvZ as good as Stork!':
NO
Watch the games! please! This really does actually work... you will notice how BeSt does what he does best, and makes a ridiculous number of units. Then he uses them poorly, and often looses what should have been an easy game. Or, the Zerg has bad PvZ and BeSt has too many units, and he wins. BeSt actually has bad PvZ. Stork just doesn't have good PvZ.
|
United States10774 Posts
I agree with you for the most part, but again, I think you have different standards for Kal and Stork. Stork has shown unbelievable micro abilities in his past few PvZ games, and that he is after all a guy to beat in ZvP. Kal is more undoubtedly more fancy in the matchup, primarily because of his trademark shuttle uses. I still believe that Stork is on Kal's level, if not more consistent. I don't buy your argument of how you see that Kal is good when he plays PvZ, while you don't see it in Stork because his opponents are terrible. Come on man, Stork gets the job done in PvZ. What does he lack? What "understanding" does he not have? I am a Protoss player myself, and I learn a lot from watching Stork play just as much as I do from Kal.
However, thank you for looking past the TLPD data. BeSt's PvZ and Stork's PvZ don't compare. Looking at the games is always good, but qualifying a player as good based on your judgment of whether he has understanding of the matchup or not doesn't cut it for me.
|
Valhalla18444 Posts
3 days til the Power Rank
what a month, what a month
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
