Sea - Oh, Sea. Sea made both leagues and then bowed out of them unspectacularily. I can't, in all good sense, leave Sea on the Power Rank when he's been showing utterly mundane and uninspired play over the last month. Sea will need to get his shit in gear in a big way before he can make the Power Rank again.
Savior - This pained me almost as much as removing Sea. Savior made both leagues this season, but then lost every single game he could on his way to elimination. Savior's spark is seemingly lost forever, and he isn't making the Power Rank until he gets it back.
UpMagic - It came down to UpMagic, Anytime, and Light for the final two spots. The only reason Up isn't there is because both Light and Anytime have been slightly more impressive. UpMagic has a tough road in his MSL, facing SHITTY-ASS TERRIBLE JERK Jangbi, and then Kal, on heavily protoss-favored maps. We'll see what he can do, and maybe he'll return!
I made nice predictions ^^ Very similar to what i expected, maybe i would have put Much #3 instead of Mind, but i haven't really followed Mind so it may be better in this way.
The only one i didn't expect was anytime, but it's true, his lost was ridiculous, but he is still doing better that other to take that spot.
I'd like to see bisu back kicking asses at the top of the rank, but since it's him or uncletoss... you can die bisu, MUCH for the next OSL winner (i hope!)
Thanks for putting up the new power rank. Lol at the hatred towards JangBi, but I can join the bandwagon there. FUCK YOU JANGBI (for no apparent reason, though) :D
Eh... Stork also didn't qualify for the next MSL either. And he didn't have a semifinals match like Light or Kal. Granted he got 5 pooled twice. :>
Also, I'd put Upmagic (and I'm not a fan of him by any means) ahead of Light or Anytime. He's been more steady than either of them, and even though he has to face Jangbi and Kal (if he gets past Jangbi), I'd consider him a favorite over Jangbi and a minor underdog against Kal given the maps.
What about Best? He hasnt played that many games in january, but he beat Much in proleague early january and did well in OSL beating both Sea and Saviour. And Jaedong with abit of luck. He seems promising atleast. Guess he isnt ready for powerrank until he has proven himself more.
nice job, I think only the last spot is disputable (why Light? I was hoping for Nada since Xellos took the spot the last time) nice to see bisu and kal side by side but i hope to see them doing so on the top of the charts in the near future. damn this Bo5 match between jaedong and bisu should happen soon... and #2 - stork ? DaezanG - the guy is on fire :D
On February 07 2008 09:05 disciple wrote: nice job, I think only the last spot is disputable (why Light? I was hoping for Nada since Xellos took the spot the last time) nice to see bisu and kal side by side but i hope to see them doing so on the top of the charts in the near future. damn this Bo5 match between jaedong and bisu should happen soon... and #2 - stork ? DaezanG - the guy is on fire :D
Light got the spot because he had it last month and his performance is comparable to several other players. Players that had a spot in the previous month get priority amongst the lower ranks, because consistancy should be rewarded as well.
Wow, it's been a LOOOOONG time since sAviOr hasn't placed, but I agree with your reasoning: he has been terrible.
It's funny how fast things change: 3-4 months ago and it was Bisu undisputed #1 with no reason to suspect he would be out of the top spot, replaced by a Zerg no less, and with sAviOr holding pretty close. Now he's falling quickly and sAviOr is out.
HAHA i cant believe FS put kal on the powerrank, i will never forget the proleague match debut of kal against sea. i was just as mad as you FS... but i'm glad to sea wasn't crushed by a secondrate toss. kal is really proving himself, and his semi's with light was innovative, exciting, and filled with WTF moments.
i would have put upmagic instead anytime tho... he HAS been frikin solid, and he plays like champion. o well, i like this powerrank, propz for the intelligent work.
On February 07 2008 09:19 SpiritoftheTuna wrote: fun fact: in the 16 months of power rank, there have only been 3 different number 1 players, none of them being terran.
holy shit its been 16 months of PR already? holy craaaaaaaaaaaap
I know Stork not making the MSL was a while ago, but there's still a bad aftertaste seeing him ranked #2. Then again, when I think the power rank through, your judgement seems correct.
I think we should all dispute why Sea should be in the power rank, just so it'll pain Fakesteve having to argue why he isn't.
On February 07 2008 09:19 SpiritoftheTuna wrote: fun fact: in the 16 months of power rank, there have only been 3 different number 1 players, none of them being terran.
Power rank began in the middle of the domination of Savior. It has continued through the domination of Bisu. Now it's Jaedong's time, and when the maps become a little bit better for terran next season, you might get your Terran #1 soon.
There's been plenty of #2 Terrans during that time, and some of them only #2 by a hair of difference in "power" or "force" as koreans call it. #2's almost as good as #1 so I wouldn't complain too much about not having a terran up there somewhere.
On February 07 2008 09:11 cz wrote: Wow, it's been a LOOOOONG time since sAviOr hasn't placed, but I agree with your reasoning: he has been terrible.
It's funny how fast things change: 3-4 months ago and it was Bisu undisputed #1 with no reason to suspect he would be out of the top spot, replaced by a Zerg no less, and with sAviOr holding pretty close. Now he's falling quickly and sAviOr is out.
Things change too quickly, sometimes.
ty for the powerank btw, always a good read
Yup, I totally agree. Though I suppose change is a good thing- having one player dominate for too long gets boring.
I agree with all of the placements, except I'd switch Bisu with Luxury and Much with Mind. I don't think Bisu should suddenly drop 5 ranks just from one bad month, because like you said consistency is rewarded. Mind is pretty solid... but still not outstanding IMO. We'll see how far they go this season.
On February 07 2008 09:19 SpiritoftheTuna wrote: fun fact: in the 16 months of power rank, there have only been 3 different number 1 players, none of them being terran.
Power rank began in the middle of the domination of Savior. It has continued through the domination of Bisu. Now it's Jaedong's time, and when the maps become a little bit better for terran next season, you might get your Terran #1 soon.
There's been plenty of #2 Terrans during that time, and some of them only #2 by a hair of difference in "power" or "force" as koreans call it. #2's almost as good as #1 so I wouldn't complain too much about not having a terran up there somewhere.
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i have never disagreed with a pr as much as i do this month.
all you had to go on in placing stork in the second spot was his 3-0 in the osl group. sure, that's nice, but the opponents weren't who knows what, and 2nd place should mean a little more. people keep repeating how godly his pvt and pvp are, as if that would somehow make up for how much he sucks at pvz. two days ago, and i think that was before this edition of the pr came out, he failed to qualify even for survivor's, losing again to a zerg. this means we won't be seeing stork in the msl for quite a while; he's about as far from it as zeus. what this guy is doing in the no2 spot is a mystery to me.
on to the next point, much continues to be overrated in the tl.net pr. i think this is the third month of that happening. i'm not saying he isn't good, but he's "good" in a way which people tend to call "solid", not "revolutionary". based on recent games, you could replace anytime, kal and much for one another in any ranking. even if you want to give him 4th, why would you pick him over kal?
last: bisu. this month he didn't lose more games to zerg, or in a worse fashion than stork did one month ago, and at that time stork got 3rd place, with protests from a lot of tl.netters that he didn't get bisu's spot. he managed to keep qualify for the next round of the osl, albeit only after giving heart attacks to a few of his hardcore fans.
so, bisu is in ro8 in the osl, and qualified for the next survivor's. stork is in ro8 in the osl and about as far away from the msl as the general public. i guess we just have higher expections of bisu than just him winning. we want to see him crush his opponent into oblivion, otherwise he drops five ranks.
Solid Power Rank, I agree with everyone on it. Kal surprised me for a second until I remembered I worked out my guesses for it at the start of the month before Sea's horrible choking fit in both leagues.
I disagree a bit with some of the order though. I particularly think Mind is too high. Yes he hasn't done anything to deserve falling, but Flash and Much especially seem to me to be playing more complete games and should be above him. I'd put Flash possibly as high as 2 because of Stork crashing out of the MSL offline prelims and Mind no higher than 5, maybe as low as 7.
Looking forward to Bisu showing us his "slump" was just a run of bad luck and cheese this month and moving back up in the next PR!
God damn. This Power Rank is PERFECT! I started scrolling up from 10-th to 1-st and was shocked to see Bisu at 7'th. Hey its a legitimate spot i guess. Stork 2'nd, Flash 5'th, Sea out. Great stuff.
I agree with everything except Mind. I really like where you put Much, Flash, and Kal. I hope they play up to their potential this month. I will also keep a close eye on Nada too.
i have never disagreed with a pr as much as i do this month.
all you had to go on in placing stork in the second spot was his 3-0 in the osl group. sure, that's nice, but the opponents weren't who knows what, and 2nd place should mean a little more. people keep repeating how godly his pvt and pvp are, as if that would somehow make up for how much he sucks at pvz. two days ago, and i think that was before this edition of the pr came out, he failed to qualify even for survivor's, losing again to a zerg. this means we won't be seeing stork in the msl for quite a while; he's about as far from it as zeus. what this guy is doing in the no2 spot is a mystery to me.
Stork lost to consecutive 5pools. It sucks, but its not enough for me to drop him. Stork's PvT and PvP are without a doubt the best in the world right now, and that's more than enough reason to keep him at #2. Specific results aren't everything.
on to the next point, much continues to be overrated in the tl.net pr. i think this is the third month of that happening. i'm not saying he isn't good, but he's "good" in a way which people tend to call "solid", not "revolutionary". based on recent games, you could replace anytime, kal and much for one another in any ranking. even if you want to give him 4th, why would you pick him over kal?
Much has looked significantly better than Kal lately, with his games in the ProLeague playoff and his OSL group. Granted, his OSL group wasn't the strongest, but he obliterated everyone with style and grace. Much is incredibly powerful right now, and watching everyone's games tells me there's no one but the top 3 that are playing better.
last: bisu. this month he didn't lose more games to zerg, or in a worse fashion than stork did one month ago, and at that time stork got 3rd place, with protests from a lot of tl.netters that he didn't get bisu's spot. he managed to keep qualify for the next round of the osl, albeit only after giving heart attacks to a few of his hardcore fans.
The difference here is that PvZ is Bisu's premiere matchup. His PvT and PvP are nowhere near the level of Stork right now. His PvT isn't as good as Much's PvT, though we have yet to determine how they stack up against one another PvP.
Bisu's MSL group was a group he himself chose in order to give himself a straight path to the round of 16, and he got utterly buttfucked. Bisu is still looking pretty good, but he's showing more and more vulnerability lately, especially in PvZ, where he is supposed to be unmatched.
so, bisu is in ro8 in the osl, and qualified for the next survivor's. stork is in ro8 in the osl and about as far away from the msl as the general public. i guess we just have higher expections of bisu than just him winning. we want to see him crush his opponent into oblivion, otherwise he drops five ranks.
Again, specific results aren't everything. The number of wins a player gets has very little to do with where he sits on the Power Rank, the focus is rather on their performance relative to their peers in-game.
On February 07 2008 10:40 GeLaar wrote: <SOME SPOILERS THROUGH REFERENCES TO VERY RECENT GAMES>
i have never disagreed with a pr as much as i do this month.
all you had to go on in placing stork in the second spot was his 3-0 in the osl group. sure, that's nice, but the opponents weren't who knows what, and 2nd place should mean a little more. people keep repeating how godly his pvt and pvp are, as if that would somehow make up for how much he sucks at pvz. two days ago, and i think that was before this edition of the pr came out, he failed to qualify even for survivor's, losing again to a zerg. this means we won't be seeing stork in the msl for quite a while; he's about as far from it as zeus. what this guy is doing in the no2 spot is a mystery to me.
on to the next point, much continues to be overrated in the tl.net pr. i think this is the third month of that happening. i'm not saying he isn't good, but he's "good" in a way which people tend to call "solid", not "revolutionary". based on recent games, you could replace anytime, kal and much for one another in any ranking. even if you want to give him 4th, why would you pick him over kal?
last: bisu. this month he didn't lose more games to zerg, or in a worse fashion than stork did one month ago, and at that time stork got 3rd place, with protests from a lot of tl.netters that he didn't get bisu's spot. he managed to keep qualify for the next round of the osl, albeit only after giving heart attacks to a few of his hardcore fans.
so, bisu is in ro8 in the osl, and qualified for the next survivor's. stork is in ro8 in the osl and about as far away from the msl as the general public. i guess we just have higher expections of bisu than just him winning. we want to see him crush his opponent into oblivion, otherwise he drops five ranks.
ill have to disagree with you on some points in your statement.
to start things off, stork as number 2. you tend to disagree on the fact that he sucks at p v z. he did fail for survivor but he lost to two 5-pool rushes. it doesnt really show how bad his p v z is when he gets cheesed like that. but even with the fact that he will not be in the msl, can you deny that he is the current god of pvt and pvp? power rank was never meant to be purely on stats and results, you have kespa for that. it is about how strong the players are playing relatively to each other. watch the game between flash and stork and tell me stork isnt playing beautifully. i dont know the osl groups for the ro8, but as long as he doesnt meet jaedong and a BIG MAYBE on lux, he will be fine advancing to the ro4 at least..
tell me how is much overrated? he has been showing consistent results and winning. if your argument for stork being lower about how his results dont correlate with his skill, than this should be a no brainer for you. i forget which game much played against a zerg with the most amazing storms we have seen in a while. and as much of an anytime fan i am, i would not place him on equal of much in recent form they are in. hell, the predicitions for this month i didnt even place him in the top 10 due to his utter failure in the msl against nada -_-; much has been showing very consistent results and his only recent losses include best and luxury. best is a freaking sniper taking down many top protoss gamers like pusan, much(lol), anytime, lately.
also when was the last time u actually saw a "revolutionary" player? i can think of only a few: savior, boxer, nada, bisu, nal_ra, gorush, yellow, iloveoov are only a handful. these are the players who freaking changed how the game was played, and not many ppl do that in the way these ppl influenced starcraft.
bisu didnt lose in such a fashion as stork against zerg opponents, but comon, we are talking about bisu here. his BEST MATCHUP is P v Z. there is no doubt about this. his games vs terran have been relatively shaking excluding his games on katrina where he goes 2base carrier. (i havent seen the game between xellos and bisu in tiebreaker, but who cares, xellos aint top tier terran nemore). his p v p, we saw how much stork dominates him in this matchup in ever OSL last season. he has not performed anywhere near the expectations we have had of him. when he picked his msl group of all zergs, everyone was thinking, "easy path to get into ro16 for bisu" all zergs, noone doubted his ability to take on zerg opponents in the late game. but then he fell from msl, he nearly fell out from osl but xellos beat july with an all in when july played standard(oh the irony).
just to sumrise really quick for those who dont want to read my wall of text 1. stork is still playing up to his level, his level of play has not dropped. still the godly p v p and p v t master, no doubt about it.
2. much aint overrated. if you try to place anytime or kal inplace of this man, it is blasphemy. he is consistent and shown flashes of brilliance throughout this month (mainly his storm use)
3. bisu has dropped in the potential he can play at. his form is nowhere near as good as during the gomtv seasons where he took gold. i mean, just look at his msl group... he was up against 3 zergs... and he didnt pass through it. 3 months ago, who would have believed that was possible?
we are all fanboys but give steve the credit he deserves. HELL HE EVEN DROPPED SEA FROM POWER RANK. PROPS TO YOU MAN~~ (then again my love for anytime is probably why i am loving this power rank.) GJ STEVE
On February 07 2008 10:50 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: Again, specific results aren't everything. The number of wins a player gets has very little to do with where he sits on the Power Rank, the focus is rather on their performance relative to their peers in-game.
that's just the point. even the strength the players show in indivdual games is counted differently. first of all, it's not 5-pools that eliminate stork. in the larger picture of things he lost because he can't play a decent pvz against anyone. it doesn't take jaedong or savior to knock him out of a league (although it helps); appearently just about _any_ zerg will do. a player who gets eliminated from any league as soon as he faces a zerg in a best-of-anything got second place in pr. and yet, his pvz failures are _still_ being attributed to rushes.
also, i find it a bit unfair to interpret the way bisu picked his msl group as a sign of taking an easy way out. first of all, picking jaedong for his group strikes me as having been rather risky. it looked more like fan service (giving us what everyone had wanted for an osl final). there would have been less skilled zergs to pick from, had he wanted to make it easy for himself (as mind did). also, he's generally not known to do this: in gomtv msl s2 he picked an all terran group for himself, when pvt was the last match-up he had to prove himself in.
i think it's precisely the way you interpreted the value of individual games that justifies what i said: appearently more is expected of bisu than stork.
Wow... I must say... Great fucking job with this months power rank. So hard to call so many spots, but I'm inclined to agree with you on virtually everything.
Whats more, Savior has NEVER not been on the power rank. He has been ranked highly in every single one, aside from January and now this.
To the bisu fans out there: As Steve said, stork's PvT and PvP are shit hot. Bisu's are not, and his saving grace of PvZ seems to have gone out the window with loses to July, Jaedong, Fake Yellow and Luxury.
On February 07 2008 10:40 GeLaar wrote: <SOME SPOILERS THROUGH REFERENCES TO VERY RECENT GAMES>
i have never disagreed with a pr as much as i do this month.
all you had to go on in placing stork in the second spot was his 3-0 in the osl group. sure, that's nice, but the opponents weren't who knows what, and 2nd place should mean a little more. people keep repeating how godly his pvt and pvp are, as if that would somehow make up for how much he sucks at pvz. two days ago, and i think that was before this edition of the pr came out, he failed to qualify even for survivor's, losing again to a zerg. this means we won't be seeing stork in the msl for quite a while; he's about as far from it as zeus. what this guy is doing in the no2 spot is a mystery to me.
Stork lost to consecutive 5pools. It sucks, but its not enough for me to drop him. Stork's PvT and PvP are without a doubt the best in the world right now, and that's more than enough reason to keep him at #2. Specific results aren't everything.
Where is everyone getting this "Stork losing to consecutive 5-pool" business? As far as I'm aware (correct me if I'm totally wrong), he actually defended the 5-pool successfully (2nd game), but lost the 3rd game in his series against some no-name Zerg (Bright) in the MSL qualifiers to a hydra push. He went 2 stargate sair and STILL FAILED to scout for hydras and just assumed it was all mutas after his zealot saw the spire. The hydras were actually massing outside of Stork's base for several minutes and he was still clueless about it. Maybe it was just overconfidence, but IMO it's just a sign of pretty shitty PvZ awareness to me, in the deciding game before the MST.
On February 07 2008 10:50 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: Again, specific results aren't everything. The number of wins a player gets has very little to do with where he sits on the Power Rank, the focus is rather on their performance relative to their peers in-game.
that's just the point. even the strength the players show in indivdual games is counted differently. first of all, it's not 5-pools that eliminate stork. in the larger picture of things he lost because he can't play a decent pvz against anyone. it doesn't take jaedong or savior to knock him out of a league (although it helps); appearently just about _any_ zerg will do. a player who gets eliminated from any league as soon as he faces a zerg in a best-of-anything got second place in pr. and yet, his pvz failures are _still_ being attributed to rushes.
also, i find it a bit unfair to interpret the way bisu picked his msl group as a sign of taking an easy way out. first of all, picking jaedong for his group strikes me as having been rather risky. it looked more like fan service (giving us what everyone had wanted for an osl final). there would have been less skilled zergs to pick from, had he wanted to make it easy for himself (as mind did). also, he's generally not known to do this: in gomtv msl s2 he picked an all terran group for himself, when pvt was the last match-up he had to prove himself in.
i think it's precisely the way you interpreted the value of individual games that justifies what i said: appearently more is expected of bisu than stork.
I've said many many times that Stork is terrible against Zerg. I'm perhaps more of an advocate of that than anyone else at this site. I don't even LIKE Stork, I much prefer Bisu as a player.
Now that that's out of the way, the fact is that Stork is the best in the world at two matchups, and his current form is really good.
Bisu gets punished more for losing to zergs because his PvT and PvP are nowhere near as good as Stork's.
On February 07 2008 10:50 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: ok here we go!
On February 07 2008 10:40 GeLaar wrote:
i have never disagreed with a pr as much as i do this month.
all you had to go on in placing stork in the second spot was his 3-0 in the osl group. sure, that's nice, but the opponents weren't who knows what, and 2nd place should mean a little more. people keep repeating how godly his pvt and pvp are, as if that would somehow make up for how much he sucks at pvz. two days ago, and i think that was before this edition of the pr came out, he failed to qualify even for survivor's, losing again to a zerg. this means we won't be seeing stork in the msl for quite a while; he's about as far from it as zeus. what this guy is doing in the no2 spot is a mystery to me.
Stork lost to consecutive 5pools. It sucks, but its not enough for me to drop him. Stork's PvT and PvP are without a doubt the best in the world right now, and that's more than enough reason to keep him at #2. Specific results aren't everything.
Where is everyone getting this "Stork losing to consecutive 5-pool" business? As far as I'm aware (correct me if I'm totally wrong), he actually defended the 5-pool successfully (2nd game), but lost the 3rd game in his series against some no-name Zerg (Bright) in the MSL qualifiers to a hydra push. He went 2 stargate sair and STILL FAILED to scout for hydras and just assumed it was all mutas after his zealot saw the spire. The hydras were actually massing outside of Stork's base for several minutes and he was still clueless about it. Maybe it was just overconfidence, but IMO it's just a sign of pretty shitty PvZ awareness to me, in the deciding game before the MST.
i read your entire post, the reason i'm not writing my reply in a point-for-point form is just for readability. also, my previous post addresses some of the things you said.
On February 07 2008 11:19 koryano321 wrote: 1. stork is still playing up to his level, his level of play has not dropped. still the godly p v p and p v t master, no doubt about it.
yes, he's definitely godly in two match-ups. but since he's incompetent in pvz, that makes him a "two-race specialist" (i just invented the concept). one-race specialists have generally been criticized and got little respect, so i'll tell you what i see as being the proper attitude towards stork: i think he should get only half the criticism and disrespect one-race specialists get.
as we both said in our posts, unless he meets jaedong or luxury (the two zergs currently in the osl), he's going to do fine. that's stork in a nutshell for you: "no-one can stop him!.. as long as he doesn't have to face <insert random zerg player's name here>".
2. much aint overrated. if you try to place anytime or kal inplace of this man, it is blasphemy. he is consistent and shown flashes of brilliance throughout this month (mainly his storm use)
ok, admitted, i was still a little upset because about two months ago much was re-added to the pr, while anytime was added with something like "close but no cigar, try beating something other than no-names for a change". during that time much was praised for all the ace matches he won in proleague. anytime was doing precisely the same thing, in the end with more success (for his team). so, my anytime comment comes about a month late.
i stand by my point about much and kal, though. the "godly storms" you're referring to, albeit nice, were in a game the zerg lost by sending all his lings in straight lines into battle, without even ordering them to attack. kal is now qualified for an msl semi-final. among other things, he's beaten the much-hyped kwanro to get there.
3. bisu has dropped in the potential he can play at. his form is nowhere near as good as during the gomtv seasons where he took gold. i mean, just look at his msl group... he was up against 3 zergs... and he didnt pass through it. 3 months ago, who would have believed that was possible?
yes, you're also making the same point i was trying to make: we just expect more of bisu. i know he started losing, but i also see how tough people are on him compared to other players. even during his period of dominance, we talked about his "pvt weakness", by which we meant that he could still lose games in that match-up. (notice the contrast to stork's "pvz weakness", by which we mean that he stands about the same chance against savior as i do.) it's just different standards used to evaluate the players, that's all i'm saying.
On February 07 2008 11:31 Alethios wrote: To the bisu fans out there: As Steve said, stork's PvT and PvP are shit hot. Bisu's are not, and his saving grace of PvZ seems to have gone out the window with loses to July, Jaedong, Fake Yellow and Luxury.
People are reading way too much into those losses. I don't disagree that Bisu should have tumbled somewhat on the PR this month because of them (though I think you could still make a case for him being as high as #3, I wouldn't personally argue for that), but he's far from washed up either. Luxury beat him with cheese, plain and simple. Definitely creative, map specific cheese, but 5 pooling is cheese no matter how you slice it. July's hydra all-in was arguably cheese as well. Very well executed with the ling speed to prevent scouting it, but still a cheesy all-in. You'll also note that in his next game against July in the tiebreaks Bisu adjusted his style a bit to compensate. Everyone is losing to Jaedong currently, so that doesn't mean a whole lot, and the Yarnc loss was a one time micro error by Bisu. None of this indicates Bisu's PvZ is gone.
Bisu's PvP and PvT always seem to get trashed by his detractors, but they're really quite solid. Stork's are better but Bisu isn't that far behind. See the wins over Stork in Gom S2 and Hwasin in S3, for example.
Stork is playing somewhat better than Bisu at this particular moment, but Bisu still shows plenty of signs that he may have a championship or two left in him, while Stork still looks like a Finals choker with inconsistent at best ZvP.
All things considered, I could see Bisu losing in an all Zerg group on those maps 3 months ago. Just as Stork really seems to struggle against strong Zerg players when he needs to put on a good show, Bisu is not having a good time on Blue Storm. That doesn't excuse either players' weaknesses, merely noting they appear to be sticking points for the two Protoss players.
On the topic of expectations, I do believe there's a disparity of expectations between players such as Bisu/Savior and those who keep falling at near-final hurdles (Stork lulz :'(), but that is to be expected and that's all fair. I would have possibly put Bisu higher, but Steve's logic is fair. Bisu (For whatever reason, although his sickness at that time does probably have something to do with it) let his PvP/PvT slip, and got the wrong end of PvZ for a while. The question will be how he returns, because he has the skills to return those matchups to their prominence, and his PvZ display yesterday showed (to me at least) he's still quite comfortable with his best MU.
Plus there wasn't any double expanding on Katrina. The less Bisu loses to early aggression so that he can play the lategame in any MU, the better he'll be.
Much on the other hand is an enigma to me. I remember Manablue referring to Stork as the little Protoss that could, although I have to wonder if this label could now apply to Much. He's slowly building a pretty good reputation as all rounded and solid player (back from his "good pvt/pvp oh lawd horrible :< pvz). He's certainly capable of going far and I feel people underrate his chances against Flash and Jaedong, should he defeat Bisu.
If he got past Jaedong (or crushed Flash) I'd go so far as to say he'd be the favourite to win in the finale, given Stork no likey finals :p
On February 07 2008 08:31 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: FUCK YOU, JANGBI. YOU SUCK. ... ... ... ... facing SHITTY-ASS TERRIBLE JERK Jangbi,
QFT
i'm depressed. light and jangbi got through the MSL, but savior and sea didn't.
wtf.
i'm too sad to think deeply into the pr. in my current mindset, i think it's ok.
I saw Jangbi before it was cool to hate on him, before he was know outside of me screaming to my brothers that he was the next big thing PvT. And I still agree with this. Stop hating on new blood just because its new blood, and your fanboy wants Savior and Sea
I wouldn't say Stork's PvP and PvT are much better than Bisu's. Maybe at the moment, and maybe in terms of consistency, but when Bisu is on his game I'd take him over Stork in a heartbeat.
Now obviously he hasn't been on his game as of late. I think Bisu has just lost some of his confidence. If I were the MBC coach, I'd play him a good bit in the beginning of the season to help him regain it (I think that's actually what he was trying to do near the end of last proleague). But eh, that's just me.
sorry if this question doesent fit here but i dont want to open a topic just for one question. What happened to naL_ra? is he eliminated from msl and Osl? there are no more important leagues he can play? Id wanted to know that since i am a fan of him and im sad he has no shape atm (but playin some awesome matches). Thx ppl. Btw the power rank feb is fair, that kid jaedong is just too good and i cheer bisu slump since im ra's fan hehe .
I dont think anytime should be 9, he should be 10 or out. His loss against Nada was absolutely awful. The only reason why he should be on is because of his proleague performance. Personally, i think that UpMagic should be in the pr and anytime should be out.
I think flash should be ranked higher than much because of his insane run in both leagues. He is on fire in the msl, and his osl performance, although not as strong as much, can be explained. I mean, he crushed in the tiebreakers, and his losses were to stork (best pvt out there) and rock (pvt is his only decent mu). That to me seems a lot better than much's 3-0 of yarnc, backho, and frozean.
Even though i hate the rankings this month, the rest of the placements seem solid. Stupid savior T_T
Fuck Anytime. How could he lose to Nada like that. That was the most... most... I'd kill him after that. But MUCH. MUCH. MUCHHHHHhhh. O god. MUCHHHHhhhhh. He's so sexy. Sexier than any other toss from GM except loser Anytime.
Yay! Inter.mind in third place is the most I could have hoped for. It's true that he did not face the toughest opponents this month. However, the month ahead is filled with opportunities.
In the MSL it's likely he'll face Jaedong in a Bo5. In the invitational he'll face Flash and Anytime with a rematch against Savior. In OSC a Hwasin match is likely.
A rise to the number 2, or even number 1 spot is possible! Yet, an epic fail could drop him out of the power rank altogether. Even if you don't like Mind, you'll have to agreed that his games are exciting to watch. May he outsmart all competition, prove wrong all liquidbet doubters, and (gasp) win fans!
On February 07 2008 15:22 datscilly wrote: Yay! Inter.mind in third place is the most I could have hoped for. It's true that he did not face the toughest opponents this month. However, the month ahead is filled with opportunities.
In the MSL it's likely he'll face Jaedong in a Bo5. In the invitational he'll face Flash and Anytime with a rematch against Savior. In OSC a Hwasin match is likely.
A rise to the number 2, or even number 1 spot is possible! Yet, an epic fail could drop him out of the power rank altogether. Even if you don't like Mind, you'll have to agreed that his games are exciting to watch. May he outsmart all competition, prove wrong all liquidbet doubters, and (gasp) win fans!
That's very true
Its like FirebatHero - you might think he's kind of a fag but goddamn his games are fun to watch
Mind's games are exciting to watch? I'm not denying the kid is good, but econ, macro, macro, perfectly timed push every single game is not the style of terran I'd call exciting to watch...
On February 07 2008 16:10 Macavenger wrote: Mind's games are exciting to watch? I'm not denying the kid is good, but econ, macro, macro, perfectly timed push every single game is not the style of terran I'd call exciting to watch...
Mind's mechanics aren't actually that good, his macro and micro are nothing special
he is, however, utterly relentless. you should watch some of his TvZs, theyre really fun
I watched his games from MSL Ro32 when they came out. I recall his first game against Hogil being very funny for how he completely failed to do anything effective in any battle. I'm pretty sure even I could move my Marines out of Dark Swarms rather than just let them sit there. I can't really recall the other 2 making any real impression on me though.
He doesn't need to make an impression. Sure, he beat Oov/Savior/Bisu who all didn't come with their best form on the day -> but he still won. He's got a brain (Mind > GORILLA MACRO hurhurhur), a good grasp of all three matchups and some absolutely brilliant timing which allows what mechanics he has to go a long way.
On February 07 2008 17:25 HaXxorIzed wrote: He doesn't need to make an impression. Sure, he beat Oov/Savior/Bisu who all didn't come with their best form on the day -> but he still won. He's got a brain (Mind > GORILLA MACRO hurhurhur), a good grasp of all three matchups and some absolutely brilliant timing which allows what mechanics he has to go a long way.
I'm not arguing any of that, I just don't find that playstyle to be particularly interesting in general. Basically I'd rather watch Upmagic even if he doesn't win as much :x
I'll have to make some time in the next couple days to watch his series against Savior I guess. I started following the scene in the middle of Gom S3 and can't really remember when I actually started watching the vods, so I can't recall if I've actually seen those games or not.
On February 07 2008 17:25 HaXxorIzed wrote: He doesn't need to make an impression. Sure, he beat Oov/Savior/Bisu who all didn't come with their best form on the day -> but he still won. He's got a brain (Mind > GORILLA MACRO hurhurhur), a good grasp of all three matchups and some absolutely brilliant timing which allows what mechanics he has to go a long way.
I'm not arguing any of that, I just don't find that playstyle to be particularly interesting in general. Basically I'd rather watch Upmagic even if he doesn't win as much :x
I'll have to make some time in the next couple days to watch his series against Savior I guess. I started following the scene in the middle of Gom S3 and can't really remember when I actually started watching the vods, so I can't recall if I've actually seen those games or not.
if he doesn't impress you in that series, he won't impress you. not that thats a bad thing
He should atleast be put on the "Close But No Cigar" for his games vs Anytime (not the first one, he sucked ass there), cantana and the first game vs Yarnac. He is getting back in form, fuck the non believers :<!
I do sense some bias (it's OK that stork lost to two 5-pools but not okay if bisu loses to 5pool/all-in hydra?) I mean, yes it's considered Bisu's best matchup but I don't think a few losses should drop him that much yet similar (although not as many) occurences don't drop stork at all.
much is good , but #4 is the peak for him ... he's more like the reach/anytime toss-school - solid but boring builds. we need an entertaining and creative style of playing such as rA/Bisu and i think you can say Kal, but he has nothing to be side by side with the other two guys but a badge from the msl will make the difference
On February 07 2008 19:40 Seku wrote: I do sense some bias (it's OK that stork lost to two 5-pools but not okay if bisu loses to 5pool/all-in hydra?) I mean, yes it's considered Bisu's best matchup but I don't think a few losses should drop him that much yet similar (although not as many) occurences don't drop stork at all.
aren't you paying attention? I HATE Stork and I adore Bisu
Thanks for the PR Fakesteve. However the only thing i would change is putting Much in 3rd place instead of Mind. Also its sad that Sea and Savior had to leave PR T_T
1) Mind is ridiculously high. Sure thing, he won an MSL, but that's it. 2) Much is also somewhat overrated here, he is solid, but ain't done any serious shit lately. Anytime has been a much more serious contender lately and his loss vs Nada can't be viewed as his skill indicator given their history. It's a long time rivalry, you kind of expect the games to be unusual. Other that that, Anytime has been raping lately, and even though I don't argue his position in the PR, I fail to see how Much is SO much higher than him.
I have to say that I am a bit of a Bisu fanboy, so I hate him sitting at 7 - but on the other hand, that gives him all the more the chance to say "FU PR!" and bounce back during February. New entrants are maybe no big surprise (Kal and Lux), but both are well-placed: Luxury has definitely shown more consistancy in the past and deserves the 6th spot.
Stork, Mind, and Much did not have a choice but to rise, as nobody could be said to play less consistant than they did before - they are doing what they are good at, that is dominating OSL groups for the Protoss, going through the MSL bracket for the Terran. Although Stork losing in MSL Offlines is NOT a good sign. But who else for #2?
What I am maybe unhappy with is Anytime rising to 9. A month ago I might have agreed with it, but as of lately, with basically giving away the series against Nada? It would have been accurate to keep him if he had been there already, but rising looks like the wrong tendency.
On February 07 2008 21:59 BluzMan wrote: 1) Mind is ridiculously high. Sure thing, he won an MSL, but that's it.
Yeah, he hasn't really shown us anything fantastic apart from dismantling Bisu yet, and so far his opponents in the MSL have been very low-calibre. I think he's just that high because while he hasn't really done anything great since the MSL win, there is nothing to suggest he's not capable of giving absolutely everyone a hard time and wouldn't be the favourite against anyone but the very best. And as much as I hate the guy (I really, really do), he's consistent, moreso than Mr. Fuck-up-Offline-Prelims, and has yet to lose a game that matters. Looking at the competition for spot 3, there's just no one for whom a stronger argument can be made.
But God, I'm really, really, really hoping he's going to crash and burn against Jaedong or Flash in the MSL. *crosses fingers*
On February 07 2008 19:40 Seku wrote: I do sense some bias (it's OK that stork lost to two 5-pools but not okay if bisu loses to 5pool/all-in hydra?) I mean, yes it's considered Bisu's best matchup but I don't think a few losses should drop him that much yet similar (although not as many) occurences don't drop stork at all.
aren't you paying attention? I HATE Stork and I adore Bisu
would u put bisu as a favorite over any of the people above him besides lux? i wouldnt at his current state. and thats why bisu is so low on this months PR.
and bisu's pvp or pvt is nowhere near storks.... how could u take him as a favorite over stork when all these maps love protoss so much? we all so what happens when stork plays his strong matchups in an important match (i do believe semifinals in ever osl is important) where he handed out a 3-0 whoopin on bisu.
the last time i can think of where storks p v t lacked was back when he lost to iris p v t to pure double facs but he seems to havei mproved. what would really be interesting is stork vs mind.
On February 08 2008 03:50 koryano321 wrote: would u put bisu as a favorite over any of the people above him besides lux? i wouldnt at his current state. and thats why bisu is so low on this months PR.
Err, I'd put Luxury over Bisu in a heartbeat judging by their current forms.
Thanks, you just saved me a lot of money FakeSteve (can I call you baby?). I will be watching as you keep putting my star higher and higher.
I have to say that it's obvious that you are very unbiased personally in your predictions even though you're not always "right", but no one ever is. I liked this one the best so far even though I was surprised at Mind's position (i hope NaDa will demolish him and show who's the boss at FOX), and missed a CBNC for Best.
On February 08 2008 03:50 koryano321 wrote: would u put bisu as a favorite over any of the people above him besides lux? i wouldnt at his current state. and thats why bisu is so low on this months PR.
Err, I'd put Luxury over Bisu in a heartbeat judging by their current forms.
That must be why Lux decided his best chance of winning was 5 pooling and praying Bisu scouted wrong.
On February 08 2008 03:50 koryano321 wrote: would u put bisu as a favorite over any of the people above him besides lux? i wouldnt at his current state. and thats why bisu is so low on this months PR.
I'd put Stork as a very small favorite over him, a coin flip against Jaedong or Much, and a favorite over everyone else on the list, personally. His brutal domination of the tiebreakers should go a long way to restoring his confidence, which looks to me to have been the main thing lacking lately.
On February 08 2008 03:50 koryano321 wrote: would u put bisu as a favorite over any of the people above him besides lux? i wouldnt at his current state. and thats why bisu is so low on this months PR.
Err, I'd put Luxury over Bisu in a heartbeat judging by their current forms.
That must be why Lux decided his best chance of winning was 5 pooling and praying Bisu scouted wrong.
in case you didnt notice, luxury had an entire game plan that started with a 5pool to prevent bisu from taking his nat
whether bisu scouted it or not wouldnt make a difference, because either way he doesnt cannon his nat
On February 08 2008 03:50 koryano321 wrote: would u put bisu as a favorite over any of the people above him besides lux? i wouldnt at his current state. and thats why bisu is so low on this months PR.
Err, I'd put Luxury over Bisu in a heartbeat judging by their current forms.
Might I remind you that the liquibet favored Bisu at least 4:1. I would put money on Bisu in a Bo3 against any Zerg not named Jaedong.
On February 08 2008 03:50 koryano321 wrote: would u put bisu as a favorite over any of the people above him besides lux? i wouldnt at his current state. and thats why bisu is so low on this months PR.
Err, I'd put Luxury over Bisu in a heartbeat judging by their current forms.
That must be why Lux decided his best chance of winning was 5 pooling and praying Bisu scouted wrong.
in case you didnt notice, luxury had an entire game plan that started with a 5pool to prevent bisu from taking his nat
whether bisu scouted it or not wouldnt make a difference, because either way he doesnt cannon his nat
5 pool is easily stoppable though as long as it's scouted by pulling a few probes while the cannon warps in. Even Stork managed to do so, and his PvZ is utter shit.
On February 08 2008 03:50 koryano321 wrote: would u put bisu as a favorite over any of the people above him besides lux? i wouldnt at his current state. and thats why bisu is so low on this months PR.
I'd put Stork as a very small favorite over him, a coin flip against Jaedong or Much, and a favorite over everyone else on the list, personally. His brutal domination of the tiebreakers should go a long way to restoring his confidence, which looks to me to have been the main thing lacking lately.
small favorite? when bisu was more on form last season, he was demolished by stork. jaedong has shown that he CAN take on bisu in a mid/long game without the early cheese. much is a great player, and in current state, much is put above bisu, but u are right, most of the time it is a cointoss.
when you talk about the brutal domination of his tiebreakers, aer you really serious? july and xellos are NOWHERE NEAR the level of players in the PR currently. bisu should have come out on top of his group easily. 2 zergs and 1 terran, 2 of them way past their peak? you cannot use this tiebreaker as evidence bisu just needs confidence.
one other thing on the side, why does ppl hate on 5pool lux did against bisu so much? it was ingenious. he wasnt doing an all in, it was just starting off with this into a regular mid game. when bisu NEVER STRAYS FROM A FE BUILD EVERY DAMN GAME AGAINST Zerg, isnt it smarter to punish him for it rather than just playing along and letting him tech up to corsairs without any real harassment? i think this is rather the logical move zergs would make when facing bisu. the last time i saw him not try to fe right from the start was against july, their first game against each other televised. cant think of any other games off the top of my head, someone enlighten me.
On February 08 2008 03:50 koryano321 wrote: would u put bisu as a favorite over any of the people above him besides lux? i wouldnt at his current state. and thats why bisu is so low on this months PR.
Err, I'd put Luxury over Bisu in a heartbeat judging by their current forms.
That must be why Lux decided his best chance of winning was 5 pooling and praying Bisu scouted wrong.
in case you didnt notice, luxury had an entire game plan that started with a 5pool to prevent bisu from taking his nat
whether bisu scouted it or not wouldnt make a difference, because either way he doesnt cannon his nat
actually you are mistaken. he didnt have the entire game planned. what you dont see on the vod, is seems that luxury actually changes his mind when he aborts double drone at start, then goes for 5 pool. You can see it on the replay ogn plays after. You miss it cuz they show bisus and luxurys faces etc at start.
On February 08 2008 03:50 koryano321 wrote: would u put bisu as a favorite over any of the people above him besides lux? i wouldnt at his current state. and thats why bisu is so low on this months PR.
Err, I'd put Luxury over Bisu in a heartbeat judging by their current forms.
That must be why Lux decided his best chance of winning was 5 pooling and praying Bisu scouted wrong.
in case you didnt notice, luxury had an entire game plan that started with a 5pool to prevent bisu from taking his nat
whether bisu scouted it or not wouldnt make a difference, because either way he doesnt cannon his nat
actually you are mistaken. he didnt have the entire game planned. what you dont see on the vod, is seems that luxury actually changes his mind when he aborts double drone at start, then goes for 5 pool. You can see it on the replay ogn plays after. You miss it cuz they show bisus and luxurys faces etc at start.
thats more likely just a fuckup, that entire build looked prepared from start to finish
On February 08 2008 09:25 koryano321 wrote: small favorite? when bisu was more on form last season, he was demolished by stork. jaedong has shown that he CAN take on bisu in a mid/long game without the early cheese. much is a great player, and in current state, much is put above bisu, but u are right, most of the time it is a cointoss.
I disagree with the entire assumption that Bisu is somehow massively out of form currently. No one started talking about a slump from Bisu until he lost to Stork. Since then he has lost a total of 6 games, 2 to Upmagic in a series he won, and 4 against Zergs in Starleagues. The thing is none of those losses have looked like there was any long term problem with Bisu's play. Have you actually watched the games? As you say, Jaedong has proven that he can match up with Bisu in a long game, yes. Given that Jaedong is 21-2 in the last 2 months I hardly consider that surprising. I'd say Bisu vs. Jaedong was probably the hardest Jaedong has been pushed in any of his recent wins, and he by no means dominated the game - so while Jaedong CAN match Bisu in a long game, I've seen nothing to suggest he always will. Let's not forget also that that was on the zerg happy-land called Blue Storm. The other losses were either cheese (Luxury) or semi-cheese allins (July, Yarnc). Good players lose to cheese sometimes, it's not unheard of. The last game against July even shows Bisu is adjusting his style to work better against the semi-cheese.
Bisu also won all 3 of his Proleague games during this stretch - not that any of them were difficult games, but with Bisu's usual proleague performance its notable. He's been playing Terrans on Katrina a fair amount, yes - but he's been utterly wiping the floor with them at least as efficiently as any other toss would, not struggling to do it like you would imagine a slumping player would.
As for Stork being only a small favorite, there are a number of factors there. Bisu was sick last time they played, and last time Stork was still seething for revenge from the Gom S2 finals. That's like a hunter going after a wounded animal. If they meet again, Bisu presumably won't be sick, and will be out for revenge. Both factors change things a lot. Much I put as a coinflip because he's on such a tear right now. Two months ago I would have given him low chances against Bisu.
I guess the point of all this is, if you look at Bisu's recent games that have lasted long enough to let him show off his sick multitask and such, his form has looked about as good as ever. The game against Jaedong was an epic clash of the titans where Jaedong came out slightly ahead. His Terran games have largely been on Katrina and fairly short but none of them have been remotely close. And the most recent July game, while he was a bit behind early, he was never in danger - he just played safe to get to a late game he knew he would win, and showed off his midgame harass very well that game. If Bisu gets into the mid-late game, which he's clearly working on doing more often now, he's still a heavy favorite. One could even point to the fact that he's been seeing a ton of cheese/allin builds lately as evidence that his opponents know he's going to beat them in any longer game and are trying to avoid any contest where he can put his best skills to use.
On February 08 2008 09:25 koryano321 wrote: small favorite? when bisu was more on form last season, he was demolished by stork. jaedong has shown that he CAN take on bisu in a mid/long game without the early cheese. much is a great player, and in current state, much is put above bisu, but u are right, most of the time it is a cointoss.
I disagree with the entire assumption that Bisu is somehow massively out of form currently. No one started talking about a slump from Bisu until he lost to Stork. Since then he has lost a total of 6 games, 2 to Upmagic in a series he won, and 4 against Zergs in Starleagues. The thing is none of those losses have looked like there was any long term problem with Bisu's play. Have you actually watched the games? As you say, Jaedong has proven that he can match up with Bisu in a long game, yes. Given that Jaedong is 21-2 in the last 2 months I hardly consider that surprising. I'd say Bisu vs. Jaedong was probably the hardest Jaedong has been pushed in any of his recent wins, and he by no means dominated the game - so while Jaedong CAN match Bisu in a long game, I've seen nothing to suggest he always will. Let's not forget also that that was on the zerg happy-land called Blue Storm. The other losses were either cheese (Luxury) or semi-cheese allins (July, Yarnc). Good players lose to cheese sometimes, it's not unheard of. The last game against July even shows Bisu is adjusting his style to work better against the semi-cheese.
Bisu also won all 3 of his Proleague games during this stretch - not that any of them were difficult games, but with Bisu's usual proleague performance its notable. He's been playing Terrans on Katrina a fair amount, yes - but he's been utterly wiping the floor with them at least as efficiently as any other toss would, not struggling to do it like you would imagine a slumping player would.
As for Stork being only a small favorite, there are a number of factors there. Bisu was sick last time they played, and last time Stork was still seething for revenge from the Gom S2 finals. That's like a hunter going after a wounded animal. If they meet again, Bisu presumably won't be sick, and will be out for revenge. Both factors change things a lot. Much I put as a coinflip because he's on such a tear right now. Two months ago I would have given him low chances against Bisu.
I guess the point of all this is, if you look at Bisu's recent games that have lasted long enough to let him show off his sick multitask and such, his form has looked about as good as ever. The game against Jaedong was an epic clash of the titans where Jaedong came out slightly ahead. His Terran games have largely been on Katrina and fairly short but none of them have been remotely close. And the most recent July game, while he was a bit behind early, he was never in danger - he just played safe to get to a late game he knew he would win, and showed off his midgame harass very well that game. If Bisu gets into the mid-late game, which he's clearly working on doing more often now, he's still a heavy favorite. One could even point to the fact that he's been seeing a ton of cheese/allin builds lately as evidence that his opponents know he's going to beat them in any longer game and are trying to avoid any contest where he can put his best skills to use.
but can we REALLY use july as a measure of bisu's skill? i mean he aint nowehere near form. also you mention the fact that bisu has fallen to all ins/cheese build. i dont think lux's game was cheese, he had a gameplan set up where he would deny bisu his expansion and play midgame from there. july was using the knowledge bisu ALWAYS DOES FE AGAINST ZERG to his advantage, strong hydra push before dts come into play. if players know his strategy and beat him with the knowledge, it aint so much as cheese as you keep saying-_-;;
bisu p v t has yet to be played as of late besides on katrina, and mostly against 2nd tier or slumping players so we dont know how that will stand up to ppl of caliber. last time he faced a decent terran, he got trashed 3:1.
yes i have watched his games. his game vs jaedong was close, but besides that? micro errors at such a crucial stage? if sea did somethin like that the whole community would be yelling "CHOKE", his game vs july? he got screwed by not scouting well enough. july denied his scouting probes, and went for a hydra push before his expansion would come into factor. his game vs lux? he had an awesome gameplan for dealing with bisu, there was nothing cheese about it. more strategical.
i just dont understand how a bunker rush into standard game isnt cheese but lux's 5 pool to standard play is.
First, I'd like to say I am a bisu fan boy of some sort......so my thinking he deserves slightly higher is probably biased. Not going to argue that.
I hate the fact he does FE too much. Yes like everyone says/knows macro/multitask is one of his strong sense so i guess FE plays into that. But at the same time I consider defending and "unleashing" cheese is part of the game just as much as long drawn out games are. Part of SC is keeping people guessing, but thats theory crap that no one wants to hear from me. Thus I think he should work more on this, though he did show some cheese/change up last season or soemthing, reference something or correct me if you want. Vague memory is fine at this point in time.
And on to the next point is given bisu's tendency to over extend in terms of FE'ing I think an aggressive zerg type like July somewhat does count for something. Lets not kid ourselves he is no jaedong but a good zerg none the less and doesn't losing to a "bad" zerg mean more than losing to a zerg like jaedong? So just as much pressure, especially when it counts on advancing to next round or qualifying to leagues. So lets not discredit his win against july either. But I guess the way/fashion in which BIsu lost to July has to count for something. Like raping at this worst man. Even when it was a planned out All in from july that was banking on BIsu playing the way he has played the last 10 pvz or something -_-; (again the mixing up the build order thing above, so you don't get caught with your pants down as much)
And map imbalances are NO factor in losing or winning games in my books. Just as Bisu is happy to take the auto win he gets on katrina, he should just as much be willing to take the handicap on blue storm. Its more on part of the league to make sure there is a mix and for the players to adapt.
On February 08 2008 03:50 koryano321 wrote: would u put bisu as a favorite over any of the people above him besides lux? i wouldnt at his current state. and thats why bisu is so low on this months PR.
Err, I'd put Luxury over Bisu in a heartbeat judging by their current forms.
Might I remind you that the liquibet favored Bisu at least 4:1. I would put money on Bisu in a Bo3 against any Zerg not named Jaedong.
Might I remind you that 99% of teamliquid suffers from Protoss man-love? Stork's PvZ isn't utter shit either, so you can get off that bandwagon too.
Stork went 2:2 with Bisu and Stork threw the last game away at the top of both of their form (Stork probably would have won 3:2 otherwise). Bisu lost 3:0 to Stork when everyone acknowledged Stork was on a tear, and Bisu seemed to have absolutely no answer to him in that matchup. The way Stork was playing PvP that night, there wasn't another protoss in the world who had a hope of beating him at the top of their form. Bisu wasn't at the very best, he got slapped around.
Saying any Protoss is in any way a favourite over Stork is next to insanity, unless Stork begins a massive slump, or someone like Bisu is on a PvP tear and it is the grand finals. I guess you could argue Stork makes uncharacteristic errors there, ie his self-skullfucking in game2 vs Jaedong, Game5 versus Bisu, but I would still put Stork as the favourite.
The key thing to note now is how Bisu manages to keep on going. While July isn't exactly a Jaedong/Former Savior test of Bisu's skills, what is important to acknowledge is that Bisu was confident enough in his own skills to put himself behind in that game and prepare for any sort of all in, knowing he could even the score with his multitasking. That if anything, indicates there's still enough confidence to play well there. As (iirc) Hot Bid said, Bisu needed to play perfect after the cannons and core before Nexus -> and he did.
On February 08 2008 03:50 koryano321 wrote: would u put bisu as a favorite over any of the people above him besides lux? i wouldnt at his current state. and thats why bisu is so low on this months PR.
Err, I'd put Luxury over Bisu in a heartbeat judging by their current forms.
Might I remind you that the liquibet favored Bisu at least 4:1. I would put money on Bisu in a Bo3 against any Zerg not named Jaedong.
Might I remind you that 99% of teamliquid suffers from Protoss man-love? Stork's PvZ isn't utter shit either, so you can get off that bandwagon too.
What are you talking about? A ton of Z's hate Bisu (unsurprisingly), enough to auto-vote against him every match. Plus, virtually all of TL.net (including me) loves the Maestro and Jaedong who are Z's.
Okay, I exaggerated about Stork, but his PvZ is still pretty subpar when compared to other top P's like Much, Free or even Kal. Poor enough to actually handicap and prevent him from qualifying MSL two seasons in a row. Also, if he comes up against ANY Zerg in the Ro16 or above in either league, he's in trouble. It's not a bandwagon, when it's actually true.
Well I think this power ranking is better than your last one after you excluded Anytime from last month's ranking despite having the disgustingly awesome proleague record in 2007. I'll probably get flamed for this, but I still feel that Sea is a better overall player than Light despite his 1-2 loss to him and also his OSL struggles.. Sea pretty much carries that MBC team and his proleague record spoke for itself. I think that his matchup with Light could've gone either way and sometimes a single bo3 doesn't do justice. If not Sea, then I'd put Best in at #10.. I just don't think Light is a top 10 player, never have Plus, I don't think that I take OSL/MSL results as serious as others might(some seem to think It's all that matters).. If a guy is dominant all year long in proleague and loses a few bo3's or whatever, I just don't think that it should tarnish their records as much as others seem to believe. Anyway I think you're doing a great job forsure, certainly better than most of us could do. You even put Much at #5 last month when most people(including myself) doubted it, and the guy has really taken off to your credit.. keep up the good work bro
On February 08 2008 14:14 cujo2k wrote: Well I think this power ranking is better than your last one after you excluded Anytime from last month's ranking despite having the disgustingly awesome proleague record in 2007. I'll probably get flamed for this, but I still feel that Sea is a better overall player than Light despite his 1-2 loss to him and also his OSL struggles.. Sea pretty much carries that MBC team and his proleague record spoke for itself. I think that his matchup with Light could've gone either way and sometimes a single bo3 doesn't do justice. If not Sea, then I'd put Best in at #10.. I just don't think Light is a top 10 player, never have Plus, I don't think that I take OSL/MSL results as serious as others might(some seem to think It's all that matters).. If a guy is dominant all year long in proleague and loses a few bo3's or whatever, I just don't think that it should tarnish their records as much as others seem to believe. Anyway I think you're doing a great job forsure, certainly better than most of us could do. You even put Much at #5 last month when most people(including myself) doubted it, and the guy has really taken off to your credit.. keep up the good work bro
Power Rank is supposed to be current to the month, round 2 proleague records have nothing to do with this month's rank
Power Rank is supposed to be current to the month, round 2 proleague records have nothing to do with this month's rank [/QUOTE] I see. I thought that the power rank was the top 10 overall current players list, not the top 10 players in the past month..if that makes any sense But I guess the TLPD is more of a power rank of best overall players rather than a month to month basis of recent performances. In that case though, I can see why you would leave Sea off the list but he should probably take Anytime with him then imo. I'd put like Nada or another MSL RO8 guy like UpMagic up there.
Power Rank is supposed to be current to the month, round 2 proleague records have nothing to do with this month's rank [/QUOTE] I see. I thought that the power rank was the top 10 overall current players list, not the top 10 players in the past month..if that makes any sense But I guess the TLPD is more of a power rank of best overall players rather than a month to month basis of recent performances. In that case though, I can see why you would leave Sea off the list but he should probably take Anytime with him then imo. I'd put like Nada or another MSL RO8 guy like UpMagic up there. [/QUOTE]
Overall current players, yes. Anytime lost against Nada but every other game he's played recently has been pretty strong. Nada, on the other hand, has looked fairly weak. Upmagic was in consideration, but Anytime has just been a little better.
Great PR! I was counting on UpMagic getting the 10th spot, but it doesn't matter-he will earn it after crushing 2 Protoss players on his way to the final
On February 08 2008 03:50 koryano321 wrote: would u put bisu as a favorite over any of the people above him besides lux? i wouldnt at his current state. and thats why bisu is so low on this months PR.
Err, I'd put Luxury over Bisu in a heartbeat judging by their current forms.
That must be why Lux decided his best chance of winning was 5 pooling and praying Bisu scouted wrong.
in case you didnt notice, luxury had an entire game plan that started with a 5pool to prevent bisu from taking his nat
whether bisu scouted it or not wouldnt make a difference, because either way he doesnt cannon his nat
actually you are mistaken. he didnt have the entire game planned. what you dont see on the vod, is seems that luxury actually changes his mind when he aborts double drone at start, then goes for 5 pool. You can see it on the replay ogn plays after. You miss it cuz they show bisus and luxurys faces etc at start.
Luxury mentioned in his interview that his 5 pool opening wasn't designed to finish Bisu off early on. He must have had a another build he changed his mind about early on in the game, but it's quite clear that the 5 pool opening had been thoroughly practiced. Bisu was screwed the moment Luxury contained him. Luxury said he won games in practice with this opening even if it did NO damage whatsoever so as long as he contained the protoss in his base by destroying the assimilator.
On February 08 2008 11:32 koryano321 wrote: bisu p v t has yet to be played as of late besides on katrina, and mostly against 2nd tier or slumping players so we dont know how that will stand up to ppl of caliber. last time he faced a decent terran, he got trashed 3:1.
On February 07 2008 19:40 Seku wrote: I do sense some bias (it's OK that stork lost to two 5-pools but not okay if bisu loses to 5pool/all-in hydra?) I mean, yes it's considered Bisu's best matchup but I don't think a few losses should drop him that much yet similar (although not as many) occurences don't drop stork at all.
aren't you paying attention? I HATE Stork and I adore Bisu
On February 08 2008 03:50 koryano321 wrote: would u put bisu as a favorite over any of the people above him besides lux? i wouldnt at his current state. and thats why bisu is so low on this months PR.
Err, I'd put Luxury over Bisu in a heartbeat judging by their current forms.
Might I remind you that the liquibet favored Bisu at least 4:1. I would put money on Bisu in a Bo3 against any Zerg not named Jaedong.
Might I remind you that 99% of teamliquid suffers from Protoss man-love? Stork's PvZ isn't utter shit either, so you can get off that bandwagon too.
What are you talking about? A ton of Z's hate Bisu (unsurprisingly), enough to auto-vote against him every match. Plus, virtually all of TL.net (including me) loves the Maestro and Jaedong who are Z's.
Okay, I exaggerated about Stork, but his PvZ is still pretty subpar when compared to other top P's like Much, Free or even Kal. Poor enough to actually handicap and prevent him from qualifying MSL two seasons in a row. Also, if he comes up against ANY Zerg in the Ro16 or above in either league, he's in trouble. It's not a bandwagon, when it's actually true.
i think its hillarious when u keep saying stork's pvz sucks and that is why he was denied entry into the MSL. when bisu gets owned with early builds or WELL PLANNED OUT 5 POOL INTO A GREATER OVERALL STRATEGY, it aint his fault he was knocked out, it is the cheese. stork gets raped by all in 5pools and hydra all in, hell it is storks shitty p v z. and coming up against savior is much different than coming up against ne zerg. when stork played savior in ro16 in msl last season, savior was still playing well relatively to now...
On February 08 2008 11:32 koryano321 wrote: bisu p v t has yet to be played as of late besides on katrina, and mostly against 2nd tier or slumping players so we dont know how that will stand up to ppl of caliber. last time he faced a decent terran, he got trashed 3:1.
UpMagic is a decent Terran.
bisu lost to upmagic on katrina i believe.. let me go check
edit: nvm, i was wrong but still, upmagic fought very well^__^
the way bisu is playing right now, i still dont believe he should be above these players. i doubt he will win the osl.. but we shall see. we shall see if he proves me wrong~
On February 07 2008 19:40 Seku wrote: I do sense some bias (it's OK that stork lost to two 5-pools but not okay if bisu loses to 5pool/all-in hydra?) I mean, yes it's considered Bisu's best matchup but I don't think a few losses should drop him that much yet similar (although not as many) occurences don't drop stork at all.
aren't you paying attention? I HATE Stork and I adore Bisu
The PR appears to reflect the opposite.
So you're saying the PR should be biased. Brilliant.
On February 08 2008 03:50 koryano321 wrote: would u put bisu as a favorite over any of the people above him besides lux? i wouldnt at his current state. and thats why bisu is so low on this months PR.
Err, I'd put Luxury over Bisu in a heartbeat judging by their current forms.
Might I remind you that the liquibet favored Bisu at least 4:1. I would put money on Bisu in a Bo3 against any Zerg not named Jaedong.
Might I remind you that 99% of teamliquid suffers from Protoss man-love? Stork's PvZ isn't utter shit either, so you can get off that bandwagon too.
What are you talking about? A ton of Z's hate Bisu (unsurprisingly), enough to auto-vote against him every match. Plus, virtually all of TL.net (including me) loves the Maestro and Jaedong who are Z's.
Okay, I exaggerated about Stork, but his PvZ is still pretty subpar when compared to other top P's like Much, Free or even Kal. Poor enough to actually handicap and prevent him from qualifying MSL two seasons in a row. Also, if he comes up against ANY Zerg in the Ro16 or above in either league, he's in trouble. It's not a bandwagon, when it's actually true.
i think its hillarious when u keep saying stork's pvz sucks and that is why he was denied entry into the MSL. when bisu gets owned with early builds or WELL PLANNED OUT 5 POOL INTO A GREATER OVERALL STRATEGY, it aint his fault he was knocked out, it is the cheese. stork gets raped by all in 5pools and hydra all in, hell it is storks shitty p v z. and coming up against savior is much different than coming up against ne zerg. when stork played savior in ro16 in msl last season, savior was still playing well relatively to now...
Watch Stork's games before you comment on them, or stop spouting BS. You have no idea what you're talking about. Also, I never said Bisu lost to cheese, so I don't know why you are referring to me.
On February 07 2008 09:11 cz wrote: Wow, it's been a LOOOOONG time since sAviOr hasn't placed, but I agree with your reasoning: he has been terrible.
It's funny how fast things change: 3-4 months ago and it was Bisu undisputed #1 with no reason to suspect he would be out of the top spot, replaced by a Zerg no less, and with sAviOr holding pretty close. Now he's falling quickly and sAviOr is out.
On February 07 2008 19:40 Seku wrote: I do sense some bias (it's OK that stork lost to two 5-pools but not okay if bisu loses to 5pool/all-in hydra?) I mean, yes it's considered Bisu's best matchup but I don't think a few losses should drop him that much yet similar (although not as many) occurences don't drop stork at all.
aren't you paying attention? I HATE Stork and I adore Bisu
On February 08 2008 03:50 koryano321 wrote: would u put bisu as a favorite over any of the people above him besides lux? i wouldnt at his current state. and thats why bisu is so low on this months PR.
Err, I'd put Luxury over Bisu in a heartbeat judging by their current forms.
That must be why Lux decided his best chance of winning was 5 pooling and praying Bisu scouted wrong.
in case you didnt notice, luxury had an entire game plan that started with a 5pool to prevent bisu from taking his nat
whether bisu scouted it or not wouldnt make a difference, because either way he doesnt cannon his nat
actually you are mistaken. he didnt have the entire game planned. what you dont see on the vod, is seems that luxury actually changes his mind when he aborts double drone at start, then goes for 5 pool. You can see it on the replay ogn plays after. You miss it cuz they show bisus and luxurys faces etc at start.
Luxury mentioned in his interview that his 5 pool opening wasn't designed to finish Bisu off early on. He must have had a another build he changed his mind about early on in the game, but it's quite clear that the 5 pool opening had been thoroughly practiced. Bisu was screwed the moment Luxury contained him. Luxury said he won games in practice with this opening even if it did NO damage whatsoever so as long as he contained the protoss in his base by destroying the assimilator.
Just fyi, it is VERY common for pro zergs to start the 7th drone, then cancel them both to make a 5 pool.. this started with chojja i believe who did it to surprise the commentators/viewers. I mean, you get 100% cash back , and you dont need the larvae that early on either... its just something to kill time
On February 08 2008 03:50 koryano321 wrote: would u put bisu as a favorite over any of the people above him besides lux? i wouldnt at his current state. and thats why bisu is so low on this months PR.
Err, I'd put Luxury over Bisu in a heartbeat judging by their current forms.
That must be why Lux decided his best chance of winning was 5 pooling and praying Bisu scouted wrong.
in case you didnt notice, luxury had an entire game plan that started with a 5pool to prevent bisu from taking his nat
whether bisu scouted it or not wouldnt make a difference, because either way he doesnt cannon his nat
actually you are mistaken. he didnt have the entire game planned. what you dont see on the vod, is seems that luxury actually changes his mind when he aborts double drone at start, then goes for 5 pool. You can see it on the replay ogn plays after. You miss it cuz they show bisus and luxurys faces etc at start.
Luxury mentioned in his interview that his 5 pool opening wasn't designed to finish Bisu off early on. He must have had a another build he changed his mind about early on in the game, but it's quite clear that the 5 pool opening had been thoroughly practiced. Bisu was screwed the moment Luxury contained him. Luxury said he won games in practice with this opening even if it did NO damage whatsoever so as long as he contained the protoss in his base by destroying the assimilator.
Just fyi, it is VERY common for pro zergs to start the 7th drone, then cancel them both to make a 5 pool.. this started with chojja i believe who did it to surprise the commentators/viewers. I mean, you get 100% cash back , and you dont need the larvae that early on either... its just something to kill time
If Luxury is at any other position on the map Bisu scouts the 5 pool in time and secures his nat with cannons. He knew his chances were low against Bisu, so he tried to get a cheap win.
On February 08 2008 03:50 koryano321 wrote: would u put bisu as a favorite over any of the people above him besides lux? i wouldnt at his current state. and thats why bisu is so low on this months PR.
Err, I'd put Luxury over Bisu in a heartbeat judging by their current forms.
That must be why Lux decided his best chance of winning was 5 pooling and praying Bisu scouted wrong.
in case you didnt notice, luxury had an entire game plan that started with a 5pool to prevent bisu from taking his nat
whether bisu scouted it or not wouldnt make a difference, because either way he doesnt cannon his nat
actually you are mistaken. he didnt have the entire game planned. what you dont see on the vod, is seems that luxury actually changes his mind when he aborts double drone at start, then goes for 5 pool. You can see it on the replay ogn plays after. You miss it cuz they show bisus and luxurys faces etc at start.
Luxury mentioned in his interview that his 5 pool opening wasn't designed to finish Bisu off early on. He must have had a another build he changed his mind about early on in the game, but it's quite clear that the 5 pool opening had been thoroughly practiced. Bisu was screwed the moment Luxury contained him. Luxury said he won games in practice with this opening even if it did NO damage whatsoever so as long as he contained the protoss in his base by destroying the assimilator.
Just fyi, it is VERY common for pro zergs to start the 7th drone, then cancel them both to make a 5 pool.. this started with chojja i believe who did it to surprise the commentators/viewers. I mean, you get 100% cash back , and you dont need the larvae that early on either... its just something to kill time
If Luxury is at any other position on the map Bisu scouts the 5 pool in time and secures his nat with cannons. He knew his chances were low against Bisu, so he tried to get a cheap win.
it wasnt a cheap win. it was a brilliant planned out strategy.
On February 08 2008 03:50 koryano321 wrote: would u put bisu as a favorite over any of the people above him besides lux? i wouldnt at his current state. and thats why bisu is so low on this months PR.
Err, I'd put Luxury over Bisu in a heartbeat judging by their current forms.
That must be why Lux decided his best chance of winning was 5 pooling and praying Bisu scouted wrong.
in case you didnt notice, luxury had an entire game plan that started with a 5pool to prevent bisu from taking his nat
whether bisu scouted it or not wouldnt make a difference, because either way he doesnt cannon his nat
actually you are mistaken. he didnt have the entire game planned. what you dont see on the vod, is seems that luxury actually changes his mind when he aborts double drone at start, then goes for 5 pool. You can see it on the replay ogn plays after. You miss it cuz they show bisus and luxurys faces etc at start.
Luxury mentioned in his interview that his 5 pool opening wasn't designed to finish Bisu off early on. He must have had a another build he changed his mind about early on in the game, but it's quite clear that the 5 pool opening had been thoroughly practiced. Bisu was screwed the moment Luxury contained him. Luxury said he won games in practice with this opening even if it did NO damage whatsoever so as long as he contained the protoss in his base by destroying the assimilator.
Just fyi, it is VERY common for pro zergs to start the 7th drone, then cancel them both to make a 5 pool.. this started with chojja i believe who did it to surprise the commentators/viewers. I mean, you get 100% cash back , and you dont need the larvae that early on either... its just something to kill time
If Luxury is at any other position on the map Bisu scouts the 5 pool in time and secures his nat with cannons. He knew his chances were low against Bisu, so he tried to get a cheap win.
it wasnt a cheap win. it was a brilliant planned out strategy.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. If Bisu scouts him faster he can secure his nat and the assimilators with probes and cannons. I don't think Lux can execute his "brillant" strategy after he just 5 pooled.
It was a low probability strat but if Bisu did not put up sufficient defences in time for the rush, Lux has almost a 100% chance of winning that game. Either right away with the rush or later in the game which is what happened. The strat itself is not "brilliant" but the brilliance was the choice to go for a rush. Bisu is the best PvZ and Luxury is weak at that matchup so it was wise for him to roll the dice.
Flash tried to crack Jaedong, but he just couldn't pull it off. Nevertheless, even with all the hindsight (ie, flash needed a larger vessel cloud game 3 to pick off the defilers etc), he pushed Jaedong mighty far, even on the Z>T hellholle that is Blue Storm. He'll be going right up the ranks at this rate.
This is the best PR I've read so far. It must have been incredible hard to compile from the January games. So far I've always disagreed with PR over 1 or 2 spots but this PR is just perfect. Well done.
On February 18 2008 05:56 kramus wrote: The stage is set for a rivalry of the ages: JAEDONG versus FLASH. Except, unlike Boxer vs. Yellow, this time the zerg does a little better.
YelllOw actually took a good number of games from Boxer. Unfortunately, Boxer won the OSL and MSL finals against YellOw, and that's probably why we think Boxer >>>>> YellOw
anyway, about the power rank;
it looks like lux and flash are going to see a promotion. Anytime + Show Spoiler +
despite being drunk, managed to advance last night and
won against stork in the PL finals in an excellent show of reaver micro. I think the GSI will help determine several of these spots, since only Kal and Lux aren't in it from the PR
anytime flash and lux are moving up... oh mi god~~~~ anytime i cant believe you pulled through after your celebrations from proleague.. i cant believe you utterly raped stork like that... I AM SO SORRY FOR DOUBTING YOU T_______T
but yeah.... flash REALLY surprised me did very well in the gom invitational did EXTREMELY well for going up against jaedong, the z v t killer~~~
even though it was against frozean... lux's muta play was fucking sexy
the bigger question now remains for this month... much or bisu? who will make it out?!?!?!?!?
It'll be an odd showdown between those two. Much did look a little shaky against NaDa/Bisu ... yet the next game of their PvP showdown is the map Bisu seemingly cannot ever play a straight game with any great degree of confidence -> Blue Storm.
On February 23 2008 12:31 HaXxorIzed wrote: Flash would have to win over Jaedong in the GSI to have a chance at taking the 1 slot.
I hear that. The way I see it, right now, Flash should leapfrog Much and Mind (they're both playing well, but damn Flash is just playing some very good starcraft).
Next week is going to be very important. Once GSI is over we should have a good idea of how it should be. I think the winner of Bisu and Flash deserves top 2.
If Flash beats Jaedong in the GSI and Bisu in the OSL semi, which is this month, then he will have legitimate shot at #1.
If he just beats Jaedong in the GSI loosing to Bisu in OSL then he wil most definitely not be #1. Mind vs Jaedong semis is a mjor factor as well. In fact the mentioned semis will be back to back on the 28'th and 29'th so this PR will be absolutely unpredictable until the very end.
Let's say Flash beats Jaedong confidently in the GSI and loses a close run series to Bisu (or vice versa). I feel it will have as much to do with quality of play as anything else.
On February 25 2008 03:39 diggurd wrote: i told you flash is the next big thing, since the start.
hahaha i was trying to think of who called it like sometime last month that flash was going to dominate everything in the world. i guess it was you. GJ
Ugh, the GSI didn't clarify nearly as much as I was hoping. Iris is playing well, but Bisu didn't seem to put any effort into his games at all (writing it off for the OSL semifinals? Bisu still seems to want nothing to do with PvT on Blue Storm, he's always throwing all in builds there) Flash/Jaedong was a set of heated emotions and all in builds, although Jaedong seeking to avoid a long game against Flash's probable mech on Baek says something about his confidence versus that build, I feel.
Stork had a set in which Katrina again proved P>T, Much was fairly poor while Anytime was good, etc. I suppose there's a fair bit of waiting to do for the next OSL/MSL games and the GSI's finale, to see if Bisu is holding cards close to his chest, if Anytime can keep his game up, how good Flash is in his other matchups over a Bo5 now ... etc.
wow DaezanG puts really big effort to earn a place in the PR I would give him the #10 only to reward him for the fact, that he is the only ACE-player who made it to the one of the leagues and he still has a chance to advance in to next MSL as well... now serious , WTH was Bisu doing today ?! He was disappointed and just throw the second game... his zaelot micro was pain to watch today...anyway as his fanboy I'm very unpleased by his performance I hope he can step up for the MU with Flash. Poor performance from Sea as well, he showed nothing today to prove that he is ready to be champion. Congrats to Flash, I really like his confidence. Seems that he has Jaedong's numbers... will see if Flash will stun the Legend Killer like Bisu did with the Maestro.... everyone finds his master soon or later
Flash played really well, in his OSL games, but his GSI victory was partly attributed to the hellish ZvT map known as Baekmaejogi, so its still close to tell. I think Flash is a strong #2 contender, but definitely not over Jaedong yet. Light should be kicked off, maybe Iris or Hwasin there. (Iris knocking Bisu/Stork was quite impressive imo and Hwasin is back up and running both leagues if I remember correctly?) Much should be lowered, Bisu a step up. The rest will probably come to results in their respective leagues, its anyones guess if Luxury will topple Stork or Flash over Bisu, will be quite interesting.
where is the compilation of pimp moves? cant seem to find one yet..
and what about some nicknames? im voting for control terran, did you see that rine/bunker micro? when bisu goes down++, i really hope you guys see past your jd bias
1 : Flash he is on the semi final of OSL, he lost in the quater final of OSL against maybe the only player who can beat him Jaedong, he lost showing incredible skills, he is in the final of GSI again winning 2 games against P on Katrina ! This player is amazing, no weak matchup, perfect macro, micro, sense, it remembers me Savio at his prime for his anti-cheese skill It's funny to see that a player considered a cheeser now is in the reverse situation of the defender and is doing very good to defend them Prodigy ! Get him a nickname !
2: Stork, he is like himself, he plays very solidly, he is in the OSL semi-finals, in the GSI final, he won fairly easily against all his oponnent T and P. Maybe his PvZ is not Top notch (although we dont know about it) but u have to acknowledge his consistancy !!!
3. Jaedong, Jaedong WAS in fire, but this month no, he won against Flash in a amazing fashion but then lost against him in the OSL quarter final and in the GSI quater final against Flash ! He lost twice on Katrina gainst the same build showing poor decision making Jaedong is very good no mistake at all, i think he can beat Stork too, but he FAILED !
4. Mind he is very solid in all matchup, despite loosing in the group stage of GomTV, he lost partially due to the imbalanced of the maps + Anytime and also because of Flash. He is in the semi finals of MSL agaisnt Jaedong, if he can overcome him, he will take his place in my list Mind also is in the OSC playoffs
5. Luxury, he won fairly easily agaisnt FrOzean 2-0, he is very good right at the moment, showing very good ZvT, ZvZ, but arguably his ZvP his questionnable If NaDa or BoxeR would have been replaced by Luxury i'm sure he would have qualified !
6. Bisu, he was not looking good against Iris, not at all, we will see him against Flash although his chance are slim i dont count him out yet, i hope that he will step up his game, but in the OSL he completely destroyed Much 0-2 and he is in the semi-finals of OSL, pretty good for a protoss that evrybody said was slumping
7. Kal, i though to myself "why dont put Kal above Bisu he plays better than him even in ZvP", although he is in the finals of MSL, he has a not so hard road, this month he beats JangBi and if u had seen the games u cannot say that Kal was playing this much better, JangBi had a better late game (macro) but Kal has micro and decision with him...
8. Anytime, he lost against Flash in the semi-finals of GSI but he was playing good, and he played against Flash !! He won against Stork in the Grand final and that was good !
9. Much, he failed to impress me, going 0-2 against Bisu, 0-2 against Anytime... He plays good but .... meh
10. Casy, this is a reward spot because of his ingenious play and solid play overall, iwhith 3 games he started to amaze me, think of 5 games with him, 7 GAMES, 10 GAMES !!! THATS TOO MUCH, THE EMOTIONS OVERFLOW ME !!!!! ARGGGGGGHHHH
the deciding series for this Power rank will be : Jaedong vs Mind semi finals B of MSL Bisu vs Flash semi finals A of OSL Stork vs Flash finals of GSI
I demand to fakesteve to wait for the finals of GSI ! Saturady 1
On February 27 2008 20:36 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: my sister's birthday is march first so i will be too busy partying to make the actual post on the first anyway
Make that one damn good party, then. : )
As for the ranking, a great deal of this will come down to Mind and Jaedong's semifinal as well as the OSL Semifinals. I personally feel even if Stork > Flash (assuming flash makes a fight of it that is), Flash has shown consistency in all three matchups as opposed to Stork's two.
/is also hoping that Bisu beats Flash in an epic and convincing Bo5. /hoping.
On February 27 2008 20:36 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: my sister's birthday is march first so i will be too busy partying to make the actual post on the first anyway
Make that one damn good party, then. : )
As for the ranking, a great deal of this will come down to Mind and Jaedong's semifinal as well as the OSL Semifinals. I personally feel even if Stork > Flash (assuming flash makes a fight of it that is), Flash has shown consistency in all three matchups as opposed to Stork's two.
/is also hoping that Bisu beats Flash in an epic and convincing Bo5. /hoping.
we're basically taking over a downtown bar for the night
good to have a sibling in the business, the other sister
1 : Flash he is on the semi final of OSL, he lost in the quater final of OSL against maybe the only player who can beat him Jaedong, he lost showing incredible skills, he is in the final of GSI again winning 2 games against P on Katrina ! This player is amazing, no weak matchup, perfect macro, micro, sense, it remembers me Savio at his prime for his anti-cheese skill It's funny to see that a player considered a cheeser now is in the reverse situation of the defender and is doing very good to defend them Prodigy ! Get him a nickname !
2: Stork, he is like himself, he plays very solidly, he is in the OSL semi-finals, in the GSI final, he won fairly easily against all his oponnent T and P. Maybe his PvZ is not Top notch (although we dont know about it) but u have to acknowledge his consistancy !!!
3. Jaedong, Jaedong WAS in fire, but this month no, he won against Flash in a amazing fashion but then lost against him in the OSL quarter final and in the GSI quater final against Flash ! He lost twice on Katrina gainst the same build showing poor decision making Jaedong is very good no mistake at all, i think he can beat Stork too, but he FAILED !
4. Mind he is very solid in all matchup, despite loosing in the group stage of GomTV, he lost partially due to the imbalanced of the maps + Anytime and also because of Flash. He is in the semi finals of MSL agaisnt Jaedong, if he can overcome him, he will take his place in my list Mind also is in the OSC playoffs
5. Luxury, he won fairly easily agaisnt FrOzean 2-0, he is very good right at the moment, showing very good ZvT, ZvZ, but arguably his ZvP his questionnable If NaDa or BoxeR would have been replaced by Luxury i'm sure he would have qualified !
6. Bisu, he was not looking good against Iris, not at all, we will see him against Flash although his chance are slim i dont count him out yet, i hope that he will step up his game, but in the OSL he completely destroyed Much 0-2 and he is in the semi-finals of OSL, pretty good for a protoss that evrybody said was slumping
7. Kal, i though to myself "why dont put Kal above Bisu he plays better than him even in ZvP", although he is in the finals of MSL, he has a not so hard road, this month he beats JangBi and if u had seen the games u cannot say that Kal was playing this much better, JangBi had a better late game (macro) but Kal has micro and decision with him...
8. Anytime, he lost against Flash in the semi-finals of GSI but he was playing good, and he played against Flash !! He won against Stork in the Grand final and that was good !
9. Much, he failed to impress me, going 0-2 against Bisu, 0-2 against Anytime... He plays good but .... meh
10. Casy, this is a reward spot because of his ingenious play and solid play overall, iwhith 3 games he started to amaze me, think of 5 games with him, 7 GAMES, 10 GAMES !!! THATS TOO MUCH, THE EMOTIONS OVERFLOW ME !!!!! ARGGGGGGHHHH
the deciding series for this Power rank will be : Jaedong vs Mind semi finals B of MSL Bisu vs Flash semi finals A of OSL Stork vs Flash finals of GSI
I demand to fakesteve to wait for the finals of GSI ! Saturady 1
wow...thats kind of strange...wait another 10 days and you will see how wrong you are... stork will destroy flash in the GSI final, and mind 4th ?! WTF ?! he didnt defend his title and get out of the group stages of GSI... just compare his performance with..hmm with Bisu - the toss made it in his GSI group that was at least 5 times stronger than mind's one and both Bisu and Mind are in the sami's of there tournaments with Bisu still having a chance to reach the final... Mind cant climb any further till the next PR but Bisu can. The number 1 and 2 should be decided between stork and flash but the most important games are still to come
Bisu didnt have a harder group stage ! GGplay and light are not very good + he had the maps for him, yes he did go through but get spanked 0-2 against iris and u cannot say iris was this good
Mind had Anytime and Flash in his group, he played good, he defeat anytime first, was beaten by Savior who played a good game and lost to Flash in a pretty close TvT
In the tiebreak he lost against Anytime in a hard game trying to reverse the balance P>T on this map and he won against Savior
Mind plays solid when Bisu is fragile thats all, and thats why i put him above If Bisu put his A game against mind A game no doubt Bisu would won but he has no constancy at all !
But if Bisu beat Flash he will gain the 4th spot, the 4-5th place are depending on the result of Flash vs Bisu and the quality of there play
Although Mind play was solid against Jaedong in the MSL semi-finals, it was his weakest matchup and he played with good mechanics, tactics but jaedong is superior in this matchup
And no Stork will not destroy flash but again we will see that in 2 days
i laughed so hard when i saw ppl requesting DaezanG into the PR :D
the only changes i see in next month's PR is that Light drops out of top 10, flash gains some ranks, much loses some ranks, mind is mind and bisu and kal might switch places imo
On February 29 2008 02:52 trollbone wrote: Bisu didnt have a harder group stage ! GGplay and light are not very good + he had the maps for him, yes he did go through but get spanked 0-2 against iris and u cannot say iris was this good
Mind had Anytime and Flash in his group, he played good, he defeat anytime first, was beaten by Savior who played a good game and lost to Flash in a pretty close TvT
What. Assuming Sea=Flash (at least when Sea is playing well, which he most certainly did in the GSI group stage)... Savior has been playing terrible, and Anytime has been okay. Light may or not show up to any particular series but is pretty good overall, and GGPlay isn't playing his greatest at the moment, but he's no slouch. Savior alone made Mind's group much weaker imo.
As for Iris, he was playing well against Stork and Free before his match with Bisu, so he deserves some credit. Bisu, however, looked absolutely abysmal in those games. I cringed while watching them. :>
Bisu just made a very strong case for fourth position (or fifth if Mind/Kal/Lux goes fourth), tbh. He had a few errors which one could argue the 1# Bisu on the rank wouldn't have made, but he certainly made a strong statement of "A'hm back, biteeecheeez".
Well, Stork probably will beat Flash in GSI, and we will have Stork > Flash > Jaedong > Stork for top 3. Probably they all deserve the same spot in this case.
i dunno, bisu showed he isnt dead yet but i still believe luxury or mind by merits deserve a higher spot than bisu as of late. i hate bisu and all but i still cant believe flash 3-0ed him after teh failed cheese on troy.. so surprised.
On February 29 2008 21:10 TheTyranid wrote: If flash beats Stork in GSI finals, he will be 1'st GUARANTEED but if Stork wins it will be a very tough to determine the top 3.
I agree with the part about Stork winning, but I'd say that Flash winning is just as confusing. I hope Steve's party lasts like two and a half weeks so there won't be this huge unwinnable argument between Jaedong, Stork, and Flash fans. I look forward to Steve replacing Jangbi with Light at the 10 spot, though, or better yet leaving the 1 spot empty just to keep Jangbi out.
On March 01 2008 09:56 kyjori wrote: i dunno, bisu showed he isnt dead yet but i still believe luxury or mind by merits deserve a higher spot than bisu as of late. i hate bisu and all but i still cant believe flash 3-0ed him after teh failed cheese on troy.. so surprised.
Flash went 3-1 against Bisu, not 3-0 as he soundly lost the first game on Troy. What has Luxury done in February other than trounce Frozean anyway?
luxury has been in incredible form this entire OSL
unfortunately that's his only league right now, but he has been utterly dynamite in it, and the only reason he's out of MSL is that he drew Jaedong in the round of 16. A terrible fate.
Lux's form has been great and he's certainly playing to the maps, aka that five pool + subsequent focus of his game against Bisu. I suppose the problem with moving him around is we haven't seen him in a Bo3/5 where he wasn't the clear favourite yet. (Frozean was a punching bag and we all saw it.)
As for 'can't believe', well believe it. Bisu played damned well to get those advantages, but Flash is the one in fantastic form and wasn't the one trying to shake off an inconsistent period, and it showed.
1 : Flash he is on the semi final of OSL, he lost in the quater final of OSL against maybe the only player who can beat him Jaedong, he lost showing incredible skills, he is in the final of GSI again winning 2 games against P on Katrina ! This player is amazing, no weak matchup, perfect macro, micro, sense, it remembers me Savio at his prime for his anti-cheese skill It's funny to see that a player considered a cheeser now is in the reverse situation of the defender and is doing very good to defend them Prodigy ! Get him a nickname !
2: Stork, he is like himself, he plays very solidly, he is in the OSL semi-finals, in the GSI final, he won fairly easily against all his oponnent T and P. Maybe his PvZ is not Top notch (although we dont know about it) but u have to acknowledge his consistancy !!!
3. Jaedong, Jaedong WAS in fire, but this month no, he won against Flash in a amazing fashion but then lost against him in the OSL quarter final and in the GSI quater final against Flash ! He lost twice on Katrina gainst the same build showing poor decision making Jaedong is very good no mistake at all, i think he can beat Stork too, but he FAILED !
4. Mind he is very solid in all matchup, despite loosing in the group stage of GomTV, he lost partially due to the imbalanced of the maps + Anytime and also because of Flash. He is in the semi finals of MSL agaisnt Jaedong, if he can overcome him, he will take his place in my list Mind also is in the OSC playoffs
5. Luxury, he won fairly easily agaisnt FrOzean 2-0, he is very good right at the moment, showing very good ZvT, ZvZ, but arguably his ZvP his questionnable If NaDa or BoxeR would have been replaced by Luxury i'm sure he would have qualified !
6. Bisu, he was not looking good against Iris, not at all, we will see him against Flash although his chance are slim i dont count him out yet, i hope that he will step up his game, but in the OSL he completely destroyed Much 0-2 and he is in the semi-finals of OSL, pretty good for a protoss that evrybody said was slumping
7. Kal, i though to myself "why dont put Kal above Bisu he plays better than him even in ZvP", although he is in the finals of MSL, he has a not so hard road, this month he beats JangBi and if u had seen the games u cannot say that Kal was playing this much better, JangBi had a better late game (macro) but Kal has micro and decision with him...
8. Anytime, he lost against Flash in the semi-finals of GSI but he was playing good, and he played against Flash !! He won against Stork in the Grand final and that was good !
9. Much, he failed to impress me, going 0-2 against Bisu, 0-2 against Anytime... He plays good but .... meh
10. Casy, this is a reward spot because of his ingenious play and solid play overall, iwhith 3 games he started to amaze me, think of 5 games with him, 7 GAMES, 10 GAMES !!! THATS TOO MUCH, THE EMOTIONS OVERFLOW ME !!!!! ARGGGGGGHHHH
the deciding series for this Power rank will be : Jaedong vs Mind semi finals B of MSL Bisu vs Flash semi finals A of OSL Stork vs Flash finals of GSI
I demand to fakesteve to wait for the finals of GSI ! Saturady 1
wow...thats kind of strange...wait another 10 days and you will see how wrong you are... stork will destroy flash in the GSI final
Flash as new nr 1 for sure. Don't think anyone can argue that he has posted the best results for february. I believe Jaedong to be nr 2 and Luxury nr 3 with Stork fourth, but they all seem pretty close. After those 4 there is a bit of a gap, so who cares about the others =)
If you change Bisu with Stork i agree. Bisu have done nothing to advance that much lol. All his wins have been agaisnt players that isnt even on the power rank and getting owned when trying to play vs players that higher than him. get real!
bisu vs flash series were much closer than stork vs flash... if you watch the games many times you will see that flash didnt take a risk a single time, he attacked only when he was sure he will win...flash actually doesnt beat his opponents, he overplays them by using every single mistake they make... I mean his style is so defensive but I'm not saying its boring to watch...its just perfect! stork wasnt innovative in his strats, he made the same all the time, but even the games he won and the series overall were not as half as intense as the bisu vs flash game 3 and 4... even thou flash lost 2 games vs stork I think he won quite confident...man, stork just cant win finals I dont know why but for some silly reason he loses all over again and I dont see a reason to put you money in him in the eventual final with stork and flash, thou I think Lux can make it tru... I think i actually voted for him Anyway Stork was just massing goons with no effect...he was quite predictable but I will still put him above Jaedong in the PR...and where will be Kal?
On February 27 2008 19:53 trollbone wrote: Flash !!!! Flash !!!!
NUMERO 1 !!!!
My ranking (very hard)
1 : Flash he is on the final of OSL defeating Bisu , he lost in the quater final of OSL against maybe the only player who can beat him Jaedong, he lost showing incredible skills, he woàn the GSI against Stork winning 4 games against P on Katrina ! This player is amazing, no weak matchup, perfect macro, micro, sense, it remembers me Savio at his prime for his anti-cheese skill It's funny to see that a player considered a cheeser now is in the reverse situation of the defender and is doing very good to defend them Prodigy ! Get him a nickname !
2: Stork, he is like himself, he plays very solidly, he is in the OSL semi-finals, in the GSI final, he won fairly easily against all his oponnent T and P. Maybe his PvZ is not Top notch (although we dont know about it) but u have to acknowledge his consistancy !!! He was good in the finals but he didnt adapt CHOKER !!!
3. Jaedong, Jaedong WAS in fire, but this month no, he won against Flash in a amazing fashion but then lost against him in the OSL quarter final and in the GSI quater final against Flash ! He lost twice on Katrina gainst the same build showing poor decision making He is in the MSL final defeating Mind with ease Jaedong is very good no mistake at all, i think he can beat Stork too, but he FAILED !
4. Mind he is very solid in all matchup, despite loosing in the group stage of GomTV, he lost partially due to the imbalanced of the maps + Anytime and also because of Flash. He lost in the semi finals of MSL against Jaedong, But he played some good starcraft so rank 4 also is in the OSC playoffs
5. Luxury, he won fairly easily against FrOzean 2-0, he is very good right at the moment, showing very good ZvT, ZvZ, but arguably his ZvP his questionnable If NaDa or BoxeR would have been replaced by Luxury i'm sure he would have qualified !
6. Bisu, he was not looking good against Iris, not at all, in the OSL he completely destroyed Much 0-2 and he in the semi-finals of OSL against Flash he put up a good show but lost, pretty good for a protoss that everybody said was slumping
7. Kal, i though to myself "why dont put Kal above Bisu he plays better than him even in ZvP", although he is in the finals of MSL, he has a not so hard road, this month he beats JangBi and if u had seen the games u cannot say that Kal was playing this much better, JangBi had a better late game (macro) but Kal has micro and decision with him...
8. Anytime, he lost against Flash in the semi-finals of GSI but he was playing good, and he played against Flash !! He won against Stork in the Grand final and that was good ! He is in the ODT
9. Much, he failed to impress me, going 0-2 against Bisu, 0-2 against Anytime... He plays good but .... meh
10. Casy, this is a reward spot because of his ingenious play and solid play overall, iwhith 3 games he started to amaze me, think of 5 games with him, 7 GAMES, 10 GAMES !!! THATS TOO MUCH, THE EMOTIONS OVERFLOW ME !!!!! ARGGGGGGHHHH
On February 27 2008 19:53 trollbone wrote: Flash !!!! Flash !!!!
NUMERO 1 !!!!
My ranking (very hard)
1 : Flash he is on the final of OSL defeating Bisu , he lost in the quater final of OSL against maybe the only player who can beat him Jaedong, he lost showing incredible skills, he woàn the GSI against Stork winning 4 games against P on Katrina ! This player is amazing, no weak matchup, perfect macro, micro, sense, it remembers me Savio at his prime for his anti-cheese skill It's funny to see that a player considered a cheeser now is in the reverse situation of the defender and is doing very good to defend them Prodigy ! Get him a nickname !
2: Stork, he is like himself, he plays very solidly, he is in the OSL semi-finals, in the GSI final, he won fairly easily against all his oponnent T and P. Maybe his PvZ is not Top notch (although we dont know about it) but u have to acknowledge his consistancy !!! He was good in the finals but he didnt adapt CHOKER !!!
3. Jaedong, Jaedong WAS in fire, but this month no, he won against Flash in a amazing fashion but then lost against him in the OSL quarter final and in the GSI quater final against Flash ! He lost twice on Katrina gainst the same build showing poor decision making He is in the MSL final defeating Mind with ease Jaedong is very good no mistake at all, i think he can beat Stork too, but he FAILED !
4. Mind he is very solid in all matchup, despite loosing in the group stage of GomTV, he lost partially due to the imbalanced of the maps + Anytime and also because of Flash. He lost in the semi finals of MSL against Jaedong, But he played some good starcraft so rank 4 also is in the OSC playoffs
5. Luxury, he won fairly easily against FrOzean 2-0, he is very good right at the moment, showing very good ZvT, ZvZ, but arguably his ZvP his questionnable If NaDa or BoxeR would have been replaced by Luxury i'm sure he would have qualified !
6. Bisu, he was not looking good against Iris, not at all, in the OSL he completely destroyed Much 0-2 and he in the semi-finals of OSL against Flash he put up a good show but lost, pretty good for a protoss that everybody said was slumping
7. Kal, i though to myself "why dont put Kal above Bisu he plays better than him even in ZvP", although he is in the finals of MSL, he has a not so hard road, this month he beats JangBi and if u had seen the games u cannot say that Kal was playing this much better, JangBi had a better late game (macro) but Kal has micro and decision with him...
8. Anytime, he lost against Flash in the semi-finals of GSI but he was playing good, and he played against Flash !! He won against Stork in the Grand final and that was good ! He is in the ODT
9. Much, he failed to impress me, going 0-2 against Bisu, 0-2 against Anytime... He plays good but .... meh
10. Casy, this is a reward spot because of his ingenious play and solid play overall, iwhith 3 games he started to amaze me, think of 5 games with him, 7 GAMES, 10 GAMES !!! THATS TOO MUCH, THE EMOTIONS OVERFLOW ME !!!!! ARGGGGGGHHHH
Some minor things to fix but i stay on my positions
Why Mind above Bisu? Bisu will have 3rd/4th in the OSL, Mind has the same position in the MSL. The OSL, especially this season, outranks the MSL. Bisu went further in GSI and Mind lost in GSI groups.
That's the summary of February. Luxury should be above Bisu, and Bisu should be above Mind, in my uneducated opinion.
On February 27 2008 19:53 trollbone wrote: Flash !!!! Flash !!!!
NUMERO 1 !!!!
My ranking (very hard)
1 : Flash he is on the final of OSL defeating Bisu , he lost in the quater final of OSL against maybe the only player who can beat him Jaedong, he lost showing incredible skills, he woàn the GSI against Stork winning 4 games against P on Katrina ! This player is amazing, no weak matchup, perfect macro, micro, sense, it remembers me Savio at his prime for his anti-cheese skill It's funny to see that a player considered a cheeser now is in the reverse situation of the defender and is doing very good to defend them Prodigy ! Get him a nickname !
2: Stork, he is like himself, he plays very solidly, he is in the OSL semi-finals, in the GSI final, he won fairly easily against all his oponnent T and P. Maybe his PvZ is not Top notch (although we dont know about it) but u have to acknowledge his consistancy !!! He was good in the finals but he didnt adapt CHOKER !!!
3. Jaedong, Jaedong WAS in fire, but this month no, he won against Flash in a amazing fashion but then lost against him in the OSL quarter final and in the GSI quater final against Flash ! He lost twice on Katrina gainst the same build showing poor decision making He is in the MSL final defeating Mind with ease Jaedong is very good no mistake at all, i think he can beat Stork too, but he FAILED !
4. Mind he is very solid in all matchup, despite loosing in the group stage of GomTV, he lost partially due to the imbalanced of the maps + Anytime and also because of Flash. He lost in the semi finals of MSL against Jaedong, But he played some good starcraft so rank 4 also is in the OSC playoffs
5. Luxury, he won fairly easily against FrOzean 2-0, he is very good right at the moment, showing very good ZvT, ZvZ, but arguably his ZvP his questionnable If NaDa or BoxeR would have been replaced by Luxury i'm sure he would have qualified !
6. Bisu, he was not looking good against Iris, not at all, in the OSL he completely destroyed Much 0-2 and he in the semi-finals of OSL against Flash he put up a good show but lost, pretty good for a protoss that everybody said was slumping
7. Kal, i though to myself "why dont put Kal above Bisu he plays better than him even in ZvP", although he is in the finals of MSL, he has a not so hard road, this month he beats JangBi and if u had seen the games u cannot say that Kal was playing this much better, JangBi had a better late game (macro) but Kal has micro and decision with him...
8. Anytime, he lost against Flash in the semi-finals of GSI but he was playing good, and he played against Flash !! He won against Stork in the Grand final and that was good ! He is in the ODT
9. Much, he failed to impress me, going 0-2 against Bisu, 0-2 against Anytime... He plays good but .... meh
10. Casy, this is a reward spot because of his ingenious play and solid play overall, iwhith 3 games he started to amaze me, think of 5 games with him, 7 GAMES, 10 GAMES !!! THATS TOO MUCH, THE EMOTIONS OVERFLOW ME !!!!! ARGGGGGGHHHH
Some minor things to fix but i stay on my positions
Why Mind above Bisu? Bisu will have 3rd/4th in the OSL, Mind has the same position in the MSL. The OSL, especially this season, outranks the MSL. Bisu went further in GSI and Mind lost in GSI groups.
That's the summary of February. Luxury should be above Bisu, and Bisu should be above Mind, in my uneducated opinion.
Its not how faar they went, its vs who they played and how well. doesnt mean i disagree with you. Just that Bisu might not deserve a that high spot either. Just look at how Iris dominated him in GSI?
On February 27 2008 19:53 trollbone wrote: Flash !!!! Flash !!!!
NUMERO 1 !!!!
My ranking (very hard)
1 : Flash he is on the final of OSL defeating Bisu , he lost in the quater final of OSL against maybe the only player who can beat him Jaedong, he lost showing incredible skills, he woàn the GSI against Stork winning 4 games against P on Katrina ! This player is amazing, no weak matchup, perfect macro, micro, sense, it remembers me Savio at his prime for his anti-cheese skill It's funny to see that a player considered a cheeser now is in the reverse situation of the defender and is doing very good to defend them Prodigy ! Get him a nickname !
2: Stork, he is like himself, he plays very solidly, he is in the OSL semi-finals, in the GSI final, he won fairly easily against all his oponnent T and P. Maybe his PvZ is not Top notch (although we dont know about it) but u have to acknowledge his consistancy !!! He was good in the finals but he didnt adapt CHOKER !!!
3. Jaedong, Jaedong WAS in fire, but this month no, he won against Flash in a amazing fashion but then lost against him in the OSL quarter final and in the GSI quater final against Flash ! He lost twice on Katrina gainst the same build showing poor decision making He is in the MSL final defeating Mind with ease Jaedong is very good no mistake at all, i think he can beat Stork too, but he FAILED !
4. Mind he is very solid in all matchup, despite loosing in the group stage of GomTV, he lost partially due to the imbalanced of the maps + Anytime and also because of Flash. He lost in the semi finals of MSL against Jaedong, But he played some good starcraft so rank 4 also is in the OSC playoffs
5. Luxury, he won fairly easily against FrOzean 2-0, he is very good right at the moment, showing very good ZvT, ZvZ, but arguably his ZvP his questionnable If NaDa or BoxeR would have been replaced by Luxury i'm sure he would have qualified !
6. Bisu, he was not looking good against Iris, not at all, in the OSL he completely destroyed Much 0-2 and he in the semi-finals of OSL against Flash he put up a good show but lost, pretty good for a protoss that everybody said was slumping
7. Kal, i though to myself "why dont put Kal above Bisu he plays better than him even in ZvP", although he is in the finals of MSL, he has a not so hard road, this month he beats JangBi and if u had seen the games u cannot say that Kal was playing this much better, JangBi had a better late game (macro) but Kal has micro and decision with him...
8. Anytime, he lost against Flash in the semi-finals of GSI but he was playing good, and he played against Flash !! He won against Stork in the Grand final and that was good ! He is in the ODT
9. Much, he failed to impress me, going 0-2 against Bisu, 0-2 against Anytime... He plays good but .... meh
10. Casy, this is a reward spot because of his ingenious play and solid play overall, iwhith 3 games he started to amaze me, think of 5 games with him, 7 GAMES, 10 GAMES !!! THATS TOO MUCH, THE EMOTIONS OVERFLOW ME !!!!! ARGGGGGGHHHH
Some minor things to fix but i stay on my positions
Why Mind above Bisu? Bisu will have 3rd/4th in the OSL, Mind has the same position in the MSL. The OSL, especially this season, outranks the MSL. Bisu went further in GSI and Mind lost in GSI groups.
That's the summary of February. Luxury should be above Bisu, and Bisu should be above Mind, in my uneducated opinion.
Its not how faar they went, its vs who they played and how well.
Which doesn't warrant Mind above Bisu by any means. Bisu played against February Flash, Mind played against February Jaedong. They both went 1-3, and they both played well, whereas Bisu's games were arguably closer.
Other than that, Mind rode relatively weak opponents through the MSL and the month. The only opponents of note are Anytime and Flash in GSI groups. Bisu played against and beat Much in his road to the OSL, and he beat Light in GSI groups. The only real mar on his record is his "WTF" builds against Iris.
Flash Jaedong Stork Bisu Luxury Mind Kal Anytime Much ???
I dont see too many candidates for the 10 spot. Jangbi? Nada? Best? Sea? Idk, just make it a power 9 this month. Anytime should be ahead of Much considering GSI. Others are pretty standard.
Also, I dont think Bisu gave a shit about his Iris games. He was concealing his arbiter build for Flash. His goal was to win the OSL. Not some invitational event. So much more prestigous.
On March 03 2008 09:16 disciple wrote: Iris played solid, i think he would take a spot
He absolutly does not. He got blown to bits by Stork. This is after he went 0-2 in OSC, so he FAILED to even make 1 starleague. Sea has a much better arguement than Iris. He at least 3-0'd his group and beat Much in the MBC survivor before Stork rolled him.
EPT
In this whole power rank there are very few players that I actually like. If only an oldschool player could climb back to the top.
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