EPTWho is the best 'foreigner'? - Page 10
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gosublade
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Proxee
63 Posts
On July 18 2012 14:44 Euronyme wrote: He hasn't been doing well recently. He was even beaten by a fairly unknown 14 year old in his MLG qualifiers. To be fair it was a pretty huge nerf to Terran in TvZ. The fact that they travel from korea means that they're jet lagged, which is not a good thing for their play either. To be fair Stephano also has to play while jet lagged. Why does everyone make it seem like Koreans are the only people jet lagged. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On July 19 2012 05:49 Lineridarz wrote: Stephano has more "skill" as he is very good at going against random players (not preparing specifically for each opponent) and still crushing them. This is why MVP consistently does badly (for 4-time GSL winning standards) in foreign tournaments, but still crushes in GSL-type tournaments. This does not mean either one of these "types" of players is better than the other, if it came down to a showmatch, Naniwa would pretty handily defeat stephano because he has that experience in preparing for a specific opponent and map. And when it comes down to playing in the best tournaments (GSL/OSL) you've to get good at prep, that's where mind games and strategies really shine. | ||
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GoonFFS
Denmark323 Posts
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rckY
Germany116 Posts
On July 19 2012 06:18 GoonFFS wrote: Stephano obviously has to prove himself in code s before he can even come close to naniwa imo this. | ||
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
On July 19 2012 06:18 GoonFFS wrote: Stephano obviously has to prove himself in code s before he can even come close to naniwa imo Does handily beating code S players many times count for anything? | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On July 19 2012 06:37 AndAgain wrote: Does handily beating code S players many times count for anything? It does. It counts for a lot. But it does not count for as much as good, consistent performance in the toughest league in StarCraft II. | ||
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Kreggar
United States83 Posts
I also like Stephano more purely because I've gotten to meet and party with him both times he has come to my town, and he has a funny "celebrity" kind of personality that is cool to have in the community. He gets arrested for getting too drunk, then during NASL tweets about staying sober so he can crush the tourney, then he proceeds to crush and celebrate like a boss afterward. | ||
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NexCa
Germany954 Posts
On July 18 2012 09:47 tredogz wrote: IDRA .. . all the way! lol, that gave me a smile :D | ||
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JeffGoldblum
Cook Islands191 Posts
On July 19 2012 06:37 AndAgain wrote: Does handily beating code S players many times count for anything? He does it in tournaments that last for 3 or less days. Tournaments in which very specific preparation barely exists. | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On July 19 2012 07:12 JeffGoldblum wrote: He does it in tournaments that last for 3 or less days. Tournaments in which very specific preparation barely exists. Hmm, didnt he just win NASL where the players had weeks in advance to know who they played against? You post doesnt make sence | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On July 19 2012 07:15 Benjamin99 wrote: Hmm, didnt he just win NASL where the players had weeks in advance to know who they played against? You post doesnt make sence The only person he knew he was going to play for sure was HerO. So his post makes plenty of sense. Its a different world in the GSL, Give HerO/MC the GSL schedule against Stephano, he will likely lose. Even with current ZvP. | ||
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Svenoob
France10 Posts
EDIT: @Irave you're wrong, Hero (who's a player who works SOOOO much) was extremly prepared against Stephano, and MC knows exactly his gamestyle and how to play him. He was just better, that's all. | ||
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-HuntedWater-
Norway28 Posts
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sLothh
Sweden38 Posts
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On July 18 2012 10:36 zanga wrote: Why even compare? It makes no sense. When stephano gets two Code S ro8 in a row we can start comparing apples and apples. It's not easy when youre alone against all the koreans in Seoul and "everyone" are trying to make you lose... NANIWA > * (also, Zerg is pretty good at the moment btw, you decide if thats relevant) LOL. Naniwa had pretty "easy" runs if you compare it with code S standards. Stephano on the same brackets? EASY ro8 for him... Stephano is clearly the best foreigner atm... code S isnt all that counts - not at all. | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On July 19 2012 08:19 KalWarkov wrote: LOL. Naniwa had pretty "easy" runs if you compare it with code S standards. Stephano on the same brackets? EASY ro8 for him... Stephano is clearly the best foreigner atm... code S isnt all that counts - not at all. Here's what I got from checking Liquipedia: Naniwa's "easy" GSL runs: Puzzle, Ryung, Genius, Supernova, loss to MVP. Nestea, Creator, Keen, Genius, loss to Dongraegu. Stephano's "difficult" non-GSL runs from 2012: NASL: Beastyqt, Hero, MC, Alicia Dreamhack Summer: Tails (the Swedish one), Mojagy, Puma, Daisy, freizy, Morrow, Huk, Keen, Nerchio, loss to Mana. MLG Spring Arena: Ryung, Ret, MC, Heart, losses to Violet and Symbol. Assembly Winter: Mana, NightEnd, Happy (the Russian one), Real, elfi, Puma, loss to Polt. Red Bull Battlegrounds: Violet, Illusion, Ganzi, Parting, loss to MC. Lone Star Clash: Hawk, Grubby, White-Ra, Polt. What would you say are the strongest opponents either defeated? How many easy players did they have to go through? | ||
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duk3
United States807 Posts
I want to see Stephano in Code S before I start calling him the best. | ||
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ScaringKids
Portugal819 Posts
On July 18 2012 09:37 Iddqdish wrote: on the fly - Stephano if there is time to prepare for 1 match - Naniwa This. | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On July 19 2012 08:55 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Here's what I got from checking Liquipedia: Naniwa's "easy" GSL runs: Puzzle, Ryung, Genius, Supernova, loss to MVP. Nestea, Creator, Keen, Genius, loss to Dongraegu. Stephano's "difficult" non-GSL runs from 2012: NASL: Beastyqt, Hero, MC, Alicia Dreamhack Summer: Tails (the Swedish one), Mojagy, Puma, Daisy, freizy, Morrow, Huk, Keen, Nerchio, loss to Mana. MLG Spring Arena: Ryung, Ret, MC, Heart, losses to Violet and Symbol. Assembly Winter: Mana, NightEnd, Happy (the Russian one), Real, elfi, Puma, loss to Polt. Red Bull Battlegrounds: Violet, Illusion, Ganzi, Parting, loss to MC. Lone Star Clash: Hawk, Grubby, White-Ra, Polt. What would you say are the strongest opponents either defeated? How many easy players did they have to go through? how about including naniwas dreamhack performance? stephano never dissappoints, in fact he wouldve probably won most tournaments if he wouldnt get wasted before the finals day... like saw that at dreamhack? he slept on a couch at 6 pm next to 2GD... just an example. he IS the best foreigner, whoever says differently overrates code S a bit. Code S is the hardest tournament - yes. but u can also get far without being the best in that format. as we saw with HuK before... | ||
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