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On July 25 2012 22:48 emythrel wrote:
Stephano is amazing, no doubt. But he is winning tourneys where the opponents are easier (sorry they just are. They don't get as much prep time and have to prep for multiple opponents. Also there is always atleast 1 easy opponent in a group or round in a tourney that isn't GSl code S).
Wrong.
It works other way too. He also doesnt have time to prepare for his opponents so it evens out, everything comes down to raw skill and ability to make good decisions on the fly.
Stephano is the best foreigner hands down - I have never seen such a dominating play from any of the other foreigners.
P.S. Also I dont think you have to win GSL to be considered the best player. GSL is a very volatile format - players come and go, don't forget there were a lot of no names or very mediocre players who gets into this tournament very far (Jinro, Rain, BitByBit, Kyrix).
Stephano doesnt have to go to Korea to prove something, he beats creme de la creme of Korean players on daily basis.
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just because stephano has beat MC and Hero dosent mean he is the best foreigner. Nerchio has done that too. dosent make Nerchio the best foreigner. Naniwa because he is actually working hard to do a good job in GSL. Don't think Stephano can get past r8 in codeS
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Both are amazing players, and without a doubt, the two best forigners in sc2.
Regarding who is best, I feel Naniwa has somewhat done what Stephano is doing.
He have beaten koreans in MLG/DH etc, and not just scrubs, he have beaten the top koreans at that specific time.
This is what Stephano is doing atm, mabye he does it a litle bit better even then Nani, but not by much.
What differs them is that Nani has proven himself in the hardest tourny there is, and he have done it back to back,beating the absolutely best.
I would say Stephano needs to prove himself in the GSL befor i can say he is the top. To beat koreans who have flown overseas or in online tournys is simply not the same as competing with them on their home turf
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TeamLiquids question actually should be: "Which foreign player is more sucessfull in terms xyz" @ moneymaking Stephano wins with 126k to 52k thats something thats not subjective its math.
Another question could be: "Which player do you personally like most as foreigner" or "Which players style of play do you personally like the most to watch" etc.
I would give that one to NaNiwA
But the point is there is nothing to discuss there is no "BETTER PLAYER" They all win and they all lose games against each other noone has a "X : 0" stats so you can just call a trend that btw goes in NaNiwaS favour too.
Decide it personally but dont blame other people to not share yopur opinion and dont try to make them believe in your opinion by making dumb examples like I said before you decide personally ... If a person believes Jesus you cant come himn with the Mohammed story he wont accept it and thats what you have to accept ! ;D
gl hf @ Ladder guys 
Abaddon
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Naniwa, IMO you have to play in the GSL to even be considered the best player / foreigner.
*not saying stephano is bad, he is as good and maybe better than Naniwa but he has not proven himself in Korea.
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why would one have to prove in korea to be considered best foreigner?
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One thing we don't know : who is the best when you can study your opponent to find a good counter to his playstyle besides playing with skill. Naniwa is pretty good at it but we've never really seen Stephano in that format. (some could say he started to get Polt and MC after he struggled a lot versus them but that's not exactly the same). I'd most likely say Naniwa for now if I had to take a decision but it would not be based on facts.
One thing we do know : who is the best when you can't study your opponent too much and therefore when you can rely on nothing else but your play. This is Stephano here.
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Naniwa could not even qualify to the European championship he dont even deserve to be in the same poll as Stephano. Getting top 8 in GSL seems hugely overrated considering he lose early on in pretty much any other tournament. I think it comes down to the luck of the draw in GSL. 1 month you got good luck and can make it fare next month you playing code A. We seen it before and will proberly see it again
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OK naniwa just lost vs thorzain and sortof in the wcs swenden qualifier ezpz ( 0-2) , plz guy stop overrating gsl ....
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when naniwa gets a win against a "random" EU zerg, we can start comparing apples and apples.
the Ro8 argument is not only meaningless, it's not even supporting naniwa to say that...
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So yeah, he just lost to jonnyrecco also in TSL
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On July 30 2012 06:28 Dawg_Snow wrote:
So yeah, he just lost to jonnyrecco also in TSL
Best foreigner for sure. Maybe Idra should have been in the poll also
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On July 30 2012 06:37 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 06:28 Dawg_Snow wrote:
So yeah, he just lost to jonnyrecco also in TSL Best foreigner for sure. Maybe Idra should have been in the poll also
I couldn't help but chuckle at this. Naniwa is good but Stephano's on another level. (I know I'm preaching to the choir here.)
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Can't give it to stephano until he does something in Gsl when the Koreans are in peak form
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EPT
